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Epic Games: you've all got the Wii AIDS!

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    I think the man has a good point. I know countless people who bought the Wii as their first system. They played Wii Sports for a little while, and now their systems sit collecting dust. They don't trade them in because they don't play video games.

    Okay? So how does that affect anything at all? I'm sure the people you're describing are in the minority of Wii owners. I mean, shit, my fiance (who used to belittle me for playing video games as often as I do) has pre-orders for Mario Kart and Wii Fit. On top of that she owns about 7 Wii games (one of which I bought for her) AND she just got 120 stars in Mario Galaxy.

    I didn't realize trading in a Wii was qualified as playing a video game. I always thought if you traded in a Wii you had the option of getting that one stuff... money I think its called.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I wasn't even aware that stores like GameStop gave you the option of selling for cash.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I guess we all should be playing deathmatch FPS's, I mean it's not like that's a stagnant genre at all.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Leitner wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    More troubling is that he completely discounts the the rather innovative control input and instead rags on the hardware, a problem endemic to the whole fucking industry these days. Yes great graphics are nice, but they aren't the only thing that a great game makes.

    Uh, power gives us a hell of a lot more then merely better graphics. Oh and waggle isn't bloody innovative.

    No one said it was innovative. However, making it a cornerstone of your console is a hell of a lot different than making it an add on feature later on.

    I remember that motion sensor thing for the 360 that just had a thread ago, you know what was on the first page?

    "It'll fail. It'll never have a big enough install base to get anywhere important."

    Which is a true statement for everything sans rumble I think.
    LewieP wrote: »
    I guess we all should be playing deathmatch FPS's, I mean it's not like that's a stagnant genre at all.

    You bring the rocket launcher, I'll bring the sniper.

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  • FawfulFawful __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    Well maybe not everyone thinks that the Wii is the best thing ever and that BRAWWWWLLLL is the best game ever made.

    LOL are you trying to pass off Brawl as something like Madden or something now?

    Nice try pal but that ain't gonna fly. Brawl is a modern classic of outstanding quality in every area. Don't diss it just to come off as cool but it really just makes you look like a douche.

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  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    It's not a surprising attitude for Epic to have: the Wii does not have the horsepower to make the games that Epic makes, hence the 'forward, not back' statement.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I think the man has a good point. I know countless people who bought the Wii as their first system. They played Wii Sports for a little while, and now their systems sit collecting dust. They don't trade them in because they don't play video games.

    To add more anecdotal fun to this party, I know no one like this.

    Should we really be surprised that a company that is focused on pushing graphical prowess and ensuring continuing demand for techological revision is threatened by the runaway success of the Wii? If the ideology behind the Wii really takes off with other devs and console manufacturers, they get to go back to bundling their games with Voodoo 2's and figuratively scratching at the earth with a stick for a living.

    Let me know when Capcom or Square says Nintendo is taking us the wrong direction.

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  • MiserableMirthMiserableMirth Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Oh it is on.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I bet this is a case of sour grapes for epic since they can't do anything right and nintendo is dominating the marketplace. They are foolish to even allow that to go to print since that will only hurt them in the long run. I used to respect epic as a game developer but I should of realized sooner that they are just a big piece of shit after all.

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  • shyguyshyguy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If everyone is getting tired of their Wii after 2 months, shouldn't there be a big fucking pile of used Wiis somewhere waiting to be sold? Shouldn't software sales be in the fucking toilet?

    This is simply bullshit whining by a bunch of pricks who can't get over the fact that they bet on the wrong horse. Grow up, Epic.

    This. All of it.

    BREAKING NEWS - Not all Wii owners are teh hardc0re! Tips on how to survive the collapse of the industry and also Western Civilization to follow!

    This is basically "The Wii is a fad!" repackaged, since it's harder and harder to deny how successful it's been after blowing everything else on the market away from almost a year and a half now.

    If any of this was actually a problem for the system, then we'd see abysmal software sales. We've seen the opposite of that. For that matter, if it were true, then who's buying all the shovelware?

    So, yeah, total bullshit whining. At this point I would consider it a worthwhile endeavor for Nintendo's next-gen system to be a fucking SNES with waggle tacked on just to see people's heads explode.

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  • FanciestWalnutFanciestWalnut Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Right on, finally someone that sees the Wii for the evil it is!

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Oh and can I say for the record, having the guys who bitched and moaned constantly about Halo and Madden suddenly being proponents of ‘casual gamers’ is delicious. The irony is like a fine dessert.

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  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    shyguy wrote: »
    If everyone is getting tired of their Wii after 2 months, shouldn't there be a big fucking pile of used Wiis somewhere waiting to be sold? Shouldn't software sales be in the fucking toilet?

    This is simply bullshit whining by a bunch of pricks who can't get over the fact that they bet on the wrong horse. Grow up, Epic.

    This. All of it.

    BREAKING NEWS - Not all Wii owners are teh hardc0re! Tips on how to survive the collapse of the industry and also Western Civilization to follow!

    This is basically "The Wii is a fad!" repackaged, since it's harder and harder to deny how successful it's been after blowing everything else on the market away from almost a year and a half now.

    If any of this was actually a problem for the system, then we'd see abysmal software sales. We've seen the opposite of that. For that matter, if it were true, then who's buying all the shovelware?

    So, yeah, total bullshit whining. At this point I would consider it a worthwhile endeavor for Nintendo's next-gen system to be a fucking SNES with waggle tacked on just to see people's heads explode.

    They didn't bet on the wrong system; it cannot do what they want to do.

    There is nothing wrong with pushing hardware to evolve. There is nothing wrong with wanting a game to look absolutely amazing. There is also nothing wrong with neglecting a console that can't do that.

    What is wrong is that they are being douches about it. Did Cliffy B make the douche list?

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    To be honest, I don't even object to it on a "omg he is so wrong wii is teh best console evar here is a list of reasons why" basis. That's just as much of an opinion as his, and of course I can see why some people might not be enamored with the system. And yeah, there's a bit of truth to what he says.

    I object because the spirit of what he is saying is the old, oft-mocked line that "Wii is a fad." Something that catches on quickly, is wildly popular for a while, and gradually dies off as people get bored with it. It's basically the definition of a fad. Rallying cry of GameFAQs, NEOGAF and now game devs trying to drum up interest.

    I thought even people who hated the thing agreed that it isn't a fad at this point?

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Fawful wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Well maybe not everyone thinks that the Wii is the best thing ever and that BRAWWWWLLLL is the best game ever made.

    LOL are you trying to pass off Brawl as something like Madden or something now?

    Nice try pal but that ain't gonna fly. Brawl is a modern classic of outstanding quality in every area. Don't diss it just to come off as cool but it really just makes you look like a douche.

    OH NO!

    Actually, some people really don't care for Brawl. I don't care for Madden either, but you know, try again.

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  • FanciestWalnutFanciestWalnut Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    shyguy wrote: »
    If everyone is getting tired of their Wii after 2 months, shouldn't there be a big fucking pile of used Wiis somewhere waiting to be sold? Shouldn't software sales be in the fucking toilet?

    This is simply bullshit whining by a bunch of pricks who can't get over the fact that they bet on the wrong horse. Grow up, Epic.

    This. All of it.

    BREAKING NEWS - Not all Wii owners are teh hardc0re! Tips on how to survive the collapse of the industry and also Western Civilization to follow!

    This is basically "The Wii is a fad!" repackaged, since it's harder and harder to deny how successful it's been after blowing everything else on the market away from almost a year and a half now.

    If any of this was actually a problem for the system, then we'd see abysmal software sales. We've seen the opposite of that. For that matter, if it were true, then who's buying all the shovelware?

    So, yeah, total bullshit whining. At this point I would consider it a worthwhile endeavor for Nintendo's next-gen system to be a fucking SNES with waggle tacked on just to see people's heads explode.



    Ya dude! Lets cut our noses off too, FUCK OUR FACES! Man we are so hardcore.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    People being mad at the Wii's success is funny.

    Like, it totally didn't factor that a vast number of PS2s were bought as DVD players, and never saw a game.

    Systems sold = Systems sold. Now Epic needs to STFU and make a UE for Wii. Fucktards. If they can do it for Xbox..

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  • FawfulFawful __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    Leitner wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    More troubling is that he completely discounts the the rather innovative control input and instead rags on the hardware, a problem endemic to the whole fucking industry these days. Yes great graphics are nice, but they aren't the only thing that a great game makes.

    Uh, power gives us a hell of a lot more then merely better graphics. Oh and waggle isn't bloody innovative. That is to say, it's not innovative in any real meaningful sense, and offers us no improvment in how games control. Outside of the pointer, I'll grant that was pretty useful some of the time. But not worth playing with a remote better.

    This man speaks the truth.

    Honestly I could care less about the Wii, all the games I own for it either would play just as well (Galaxy, Twilight Princess) or better (Brawl, Super Paper Mario, Mario Kart) with the GameCube controller (I guess someone could make a case for Metroid Corruption but I don't play first person games due to car sickness so I don't know). However, saying that there are no revolutionary, outstanding games for the Wii out right now and that he is waiting for Wii Fit to see if that may be the Chosen One is just ignorant bullshit. Between Brawl and Galaxy alone the purchase of the system is once and for all completely justified. The second-highest rated game of all time on GameRankings is a Wii game, yet he is waiting for Wii Fit?!

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  • AZChristopherAZChristopher Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I think the man has a good point. I know countless people who bought the Wii as their first system. They played Wii Sports for a little while, and now their systems sit collecting dust. They don't trade them in because they don't play video games.

    Yet it continues to push millions of software a month. During March Brawl sold more than all PS3 software combined.

    In a later post you say we have no graphs of owners to see what they own. However, we do know software sales and I'd say they go a long way to prove that more people are actually playing the games.

    Epic's problem is that they don't make money off the Wii. That is all.

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  • ItalaxItalax Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    Fawful wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Well maybe not everyone thinks that the Wii is the best thing ever and that BRAWWWWLLLL is the best game ever made.

    LOL are you trying to pass off Brawl as something like Madden or something now?

    Nice try pal but that ain't gonna fly. Brawl is a modern classic of outstanding quality in every area. Don't diss it just to come off as cool but it really just makes you look like a douche.

    OH NO!

    Actually, some people really don't care for Brawl. I don't care for Madden either, but you know, try again.

    Does Brawl actually improve over Melee in any significant way to make it deserving of being called a "modern classic"? I'm not insulting it or anything, I'm genuinely asking because I haven't played either of them for any decent length of time apart from an import version of Brawl at my friends house.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Of course epic feels threatened, they rely mostly on the pretty graphics to sell their game. They probably wouldn't be able to make a high quality Wii game even if they tried.

    Yes my Wii has a tendency to collect dust for a few weeks once in a while, but so does my 360.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    They're just pissed they still can't find one to purchase.

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  • Captain ElevenCaptain Eleven The last card is a kronk Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I own a Wii and a 360. The Wii gets more use than my 360 and I'm not bored with it.

    /shrug

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I like how there's no conceivable way Epic would have any facts or figures to back this statement up. It's not like they're in any position to look at what's the best business for them, and make informed decisions on such a thing. This is clearly the ravings of an uninformed madman, while we get to bask in the knowledge of VGChartz and anecdotes.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I own a Wii and a 360. The Wii gets more use than my 360 and I'm not bored with it.

    /shrug

    LIES! Clearly all Wii users get bored of their "game machine" and stop turning it on after playing Wii Bowling for a few hours.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I own a Wii and a 360. The Wii gets more use than my 360 and I'm not bored with it.

    /shrug

    Truth++

    In fact my Wii games outnumber my 360 games at like 4:1.

    The only reason I even play my 360 anymore is for the occasional Live Arcade game and the awesomesauce that is Team Fortress 2.

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  • FawfulFawful __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    Should we really be surprised that a company that is focused on pushing graphical prowess and ensuring continuing demand for techological revision is threatened by the runaway success of the Wii? If the ideology behind the Wii really takes off with other devs and console manufacturers, they get to go back to bundling their games with Voodoo 2's and figuratively scratching at the earth with a stick for a living.

    Epic is probably just scared that they are gonna have to innovate on the gameplay front instead of just prettier graphics if your scenario would come true. Requires a lot more creativity.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    They're just pissed they still can't find one to purchase.

    Except Wiis are incredibly easy to find now as long as you're willing to give up a weekday morning.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    They're just pissed they still can't find one to purchase.

    Except Wiis are incredibly easy to find now as long as you're willing to give up a weekday morning.

    Maybe for you :P 'round these parts they are still rare as hell.

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  • mugginnsmugginns Jawsome Fresh CoastRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Epic is not scared of the Wii at all. He is likely sharing a personal anecdote about his own life. His friends bought Wiis and don't play them anymore. This is probably not his professional THIS IS HOW IT IS! opinion. Just personal "I'm a gamer" opinion.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Fawful wrote: »
    Should we really be surprised that a company that is focused on pushing graphical prowess and ensuring continuing demand for techological revision is threatened by the runaway success of the Wii? If the ideology behind the Wii really takes off with other devs and console manufacturers, they get to go back to bundling their games with Voodoo 2's and figuratively scratching at the earth with a stick for a living.

    Epic is probably just scared that they are gonna have to innovate on the gameplay front instead of just prettier graphics if your scenario would come true. Requires a lot more creativity.

    But to be fair, I'd argue they can do that too. Pretty much every shooter since Gears has had a cover mechanic.

    And no, lets not get into that whole discussion, I know Epic didn't invent it, but refinement is also an expression of creativity.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    They're just pissed they still can't find one to purchase.

    Except Wiis are incredibly easy to find now as long as you're willing to give up a weekday morning.

    Maybe for you :P 'round these parts they are still rare as hell.

    Indeed. the only time I've seen a Wii is when I worked at CompUSA and we got them every few months.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Italax wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Fawful wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Well maybe not everyone thinks that the Wii is the best thing ever and that BRAWWWWLLLL is the best game ever made.

    LOL are you trying to pass off Brawl as something like Madden or something now?

    Nice try pal but that ain't gonna fly. Brawl is a modern classic of outstanding quality in every area. Don't diss it just to come off as cool but it really just makes you look like a douche.

    OH NO!

    Actually, some people really don't care for Brawl. I don't care for Madden either, but you know, try again.

    Does Brawl actually improve over Melee in any significant way to make it deserving of being called a "modern classic"? I'm not insulting it or anything, I'm genuinely asking because I haven't played either of them for any decent length of time apart from an import version of Brawl at my friends house.

    Brawl's gameplay is marginally better/different than Melee's. As basically the biggest piece of fanservice ever, though, it does stand out.

    It's probably about on par to the Halo sequels in both how great it is for fans and how easily it is blown off by gamers who don't see what the fuss is about.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    I like how there's no conceivable way Epic would have any facts or figures to back this statement up. It's not like they're in any position to look at what's the best business for them, and make informed decisions on such a thing. This is clearly the ravings of an uninformed madman, while we get to bask in the knowledge of VGChartz and anecdotes.

    Yeah, and we never get any numbers from NPD, the third-party folks that make it their business to track video game sales.

    Oh wait, we do. And they say Wii software is selling just fine.

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  • Captain ElevenCaptain Eleven The last card is a kronk Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    I own a Wii and a 360. The Wii gets more use than my 360 and I'm not bored with it.

    /shrug

    LIES! Clearly all Wii users get bored of their "game machine" and stop turning it on after playing Wii Bowling for a few hours.

    I was going to say "I play with my Wii more than my 360" but thought that would be considered breaking the Wii pun rule.

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  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Sometimes I wish it was against the rules here to talk about stupid things that big names in the game industry say. But that wouldn't really be for the better.

    What I really wish is that it was against the rules for big names in the game industry to say such stupid things.

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  • ItalaxItalax Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Italax wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Fawful wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Well maybe not everyone thinks that the Wii is the best thing ever and that BRAWWWWLLLL is the best game ever made.

    LOL are you trying to pass off Brawl as something like Madden or something now?

    Nice try pal but that ain't gonna fly. Brawl is a modern classic of outstanding quality in every area. Don't diss it just to come off as cool but it really just makes you look like a douche.

    OH NO!

    Actually, some people really don't care for Brawl. I don't care for Madden either, but you know, try again.

    Does Brawl actually improve over Melee in any significant way to make it deserving of being called a "modern classic"? I'm not insulting it or anything, I'm genuinely asking because I haven't played either of them for any decent length of time apart from an import version of Brawl at my friends house.

    Brawl's gameplay is marginally better/different than Melee's. As basically the biggest piece of fanservice ever, though, it does stand out.

    It's probably about on par to the Halo sequels in both how great it is for fans and how easily it is blown off by gamers who don't see what the fuss is about.

    The thing about my limited time with Brawl is I had a shitload of fun playing it, but when I reflect on it I ended up wondering if that fun was due to the game or because I was playing it with 3 friends just hanging out and yelling at each other. I guess I'll find out when it finally gets released here (Fuck you for the delay btw Nintendo of Europe) but either way, it's still a damn good party game.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    He doesn't talk shit on the Wii nearly as much as the OP seems to suggest. He's basically just saying that there isn't enough games for it for the gamers like him, and his company doesn't cater to Wii owners.

    Truth is I've yet to see a game that makes feel like I need to buy any of the current gen systems. Most of what the 360 offers can be had on the PC which is my prefered platform. I'm not into Japanese RPGs so the PS3 doesn't really interest me (Warhawk looks cool though).

    As for the Wii, the online system is terrible, and I was done with proper Mario games after Mario 64.

    If they make a good FPS that makes good use of waggle pointing I'll be tempted to get it, but otherwise they really aren't making games for the Wii for people like me.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    They're just pissed they still can't find one to purchase.

    Except Wiis are incredibly easy to find now as long as you're willing to give up a weekday morning.

    Maybe for you :P 'round these parts they are still rare as hell.

    Indeed. the only time I've seen a Wii is when I worked at CompUSA and we got them every few months.
    I find Unbreakable's response a bit funny in the context of the point he was making. "Give up a weekday morning?" Hell, I can just walk in if I want any other system...maybe barring the DS.

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  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Italax wrote: »
    The thing about my limited time with Brawl is I had a shitload of fun playing it, but when I reflect on it I ended up wondering if that fun was due to the game or because I was playing it with 3 friends just hanging out and yelling at each other.

    given that this pretty much is the game, I think you're in the clear

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