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Epic Games: you've all got the Wii AIDS!
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NPD attach rate does include Wii Play, but I don't see why it shouldn't count as a game.
The vast majority of games probably sit in the 100-200k range. The question is whether or not your development costs and the marketshare you are working with make that kind of sales a viable business proposition.
There are plenty of games on the 360 that are great and I am looking forward to Too Human. But even game journalists groan when they see another Unreal engine FPS. The same groan they reserve for the multitude of mini-games on the Wii.
Then you're not looking hard enough, there are a shit ton of great games you've not played. I'd list them, but then this will begin a list war... And I am against wars of all types.
The sword cuts deep, and in both directions.
It's not Epics fucking fault shitty developer X wants to make another shitty fps using their engine. take your blame elsewhere please.
And honestly, I find I just enjoy a regular controller instead of waggle most of the time. I like to just sit back comfortably and push buttons without having to worry about flicking my wrists all the time and so forth. That does get tiring. Now don't get worked up, though, this is just opinion. I'm not saying any of yours is wrong! Most of the games just aren't for me. It's a great party system, but on an individual level you'll find me getting my game-on on the other two systems.
That's just down to the people licensing the engine. Some studios are lazy and just throw whatever crap they've got into the engine, and hope it'll sell as a result. Others take their time and use it to great effect (BioShock, APB, Borderlands, Mass Effect) You do know Too Human was being built on UE3 until Silicon Knights threw a hissyfit over Epic's poor support?
Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
Brawl is more akin to Halo, imo.
Then you do agree with him. That's basically what he said. He even said that he knows there are true gaming fans out there enjoying the shit out of the little box, but that there are also people who aren't. Even if it's not a large majority, how often do you hear about a 360 collecting dust?
I was smart enough not to buy a 360 rather than let it collect dust. We can play the "how often do you hear" game all day long, but none of it means a lick because you collect your data from one particular set of people.
I think good software sales are pretty indicative of a market - even if we presume it to be a segment of a larger market - that does continue to use their console.
In other words,
Even if we take Epic's statements as true, then there are still enough people that don't fit within his generalization that make his statements largely irrelevant.
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I'm going with The_Scarab here. There's tons of people who play the shit out of their Wii. But I think there's more "Bought it for WiiSports and never played it after the first few months" then alot of people want to think about.
These people will buy WiiFit though. And that is why WiiFit will one day rule us with an iron fist.
This is true. Again, just speaking from my own perspective. But in general, on gaming forums, hell even on this gaming forum, the only systems I'd ever heard of collecting dust are the Wii, PSP and occasionally a PS3.
I think I may be coming off anti-Wii in this thread, but I'm really not. Planning to get one sometime this week, actually, along with SSBB and potentially No More Heroes.
I'm quoting you because Scarab's reply was ridiculous. I do know Too Human was using UE3 which is why I mentioned it. I have no issue with the UE3 engine but just like Nintendo they are going to license to whoever wants to give them the money. So the idea that Epic knows everything because they can see the numbers when so can countless other companies in the industry that do make games for the Wii just made me laugh.
This isn't an argument about whether the 360 has great games. Because it does and plenty of those use the UE3 engine. However, the argument is that the majority of Wiis just collect dust which is funny considering it does sell a lot of games.
Epic has a huge interest in the HD systems selling because all those licenses they give out make them money. So it isn't any surprise that he would make a negative comment about the Wii while panning to "Hardcore" gamers at the same time. Now I'm going to pull the cop out and say I'm getting out of this thread. I don't like my Wii, or my 360 for that matter, to get dusty so I think I'll just go turn them on for a bit and get off the computer.
Just because his statement held true for me doesn't mean I have to agree with it. It's just coincidence. Where is his evidence? He calls it a virus. I disagree with that. Don't turn this against me, acting like I'm on his side! It's a great party system, gets a lot of playtime with groups of friends more than my other systems, something I don't recall him saying. I just don't use it more on the individual level than the other systems. I fail to see how that is me calling it a virus and agreeing with the bloke.
That's a load of bull. The Wii is seeing some excellent software released this year. On Friday I'll be picking up No More Heroes, Ghost Squad, Bully (admittedly not an exclusive), Zack & Wiki, Mario Kart, Resident Evil - Umbrella Chronicles, and possibly NiGHTS. I'll also be keeping an eye out for Okami, and Brawl of course when it's released over here. I haven't bought anything for my Wii since Christmas not because there's been nothing to play, but because I was out of a job and couldn't justify buying anything. Now that I'm working in a fairly well-paying job, I'm not just playing catch up, I'm also picking up games that are only just being released around this time. Games I'm looking forward to include Star Wars Unleashed, Guitar Hero IV, Wii Fit, The Conduit and Monster Hunter 3. And that's only the list of games I know will be coming soon, there will be loads announced at E3.
To say that the Wii's library is lacking or doesn't have enough quality third party support is ridiculous.
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Fair enough. I don't mean to come over as violently anti-Wii or anything. It's doing phenomenally well and I do plan to get one in the future, I just don't see much point in getting one right now, there's not a great deal there that interests me. It just seems that as soon as anyone 'in the industry' makes a comment (official or off-hand remark) that the Wii isn't something they're looking to support or that it's not in their interests, a lot of people suddenly get blinded by rage and hail them as washed-up retarded inbreds who don't know what they're talking about. Blatantly, this isn't actually correct.
I have a couple of friends who were considering getting Wiis, but didn't actually go out and seek one until I showed it to them, which confirmed their already-present desire to have one.
And it wasn't just my showing of Wii Sports to them, either. It was Prime 3, Resi4WE, Mario Strikers, and others.
I should also mention that these two particular friends each regularly buy games and each of them have roughly 15 games a piece, which is not too bad at all.
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Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
Yes. 1 friend, another friends parents and his wife's parents, a cousin, my sister, many more.
But they don't need to justify this completely valid position by implying that the Wii is a 'virus' that people buy and then stop using after convincing someone else to buy and stop using. Especially when there are enough people that don't fit that mold for this sentiment to be irrelevant in the console industry - first and third party sales are quite good for the Wii.
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I know a number of people who fall into that category
Many of whom also bought a 360 just for Halo
They are impulse buyers and they are not exclusive to one system or even just gaming
Home Shopping Network anyone?
I had this big time as I bought my Wii just after launch. I had two friends who admittedly don't play a whole lot of video games (anymore) buy one and they play the hell out of it. My parents and at least one of their friends each bought one and they continue to slowly purchase titles (my parents now own 4-5 games) and hold occasional Wii parties. This is shocking because I had owned every Nintendo system except a GC growing up and they never played a bit of any other system, nor had they ever done the desktop computer game stuff a lot of older "I learned the computer at work" folks seem to love. Wii bowling and tennis got them in and they continue to enjoy that as well as look to me for advice on more fun, casual multiplayer-type games.
The people who bought a PS3 from blu-ray.
The people who bought a PS2 for DVD.
The people who bought a NES for ust Duckhunt/SMB.
The people who bought an Atari 2600 just for pong.
That is great, but a lot of those games wouldn't even get a second look on a 360
people are allowed to like the wii
people are allowed to not like it
software sales are good
epic has nothing to do with the wii so their opinions on the platform should largely be ignored
one person's opinion does not reflect an industry consensus
neither does one forumer's opinion...
If that is true (which I'd contend that it isn't), then that would be pretty sad of 360 owners.
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Pretty much. It's more the fact that many people will get all uppity if you suggest the same thing happens to the Wii.
Anecdotally, I think the Wii has more of these people then those other systems, baring perhaps the Atari 2600 for Pong, which is the same sort of effect.
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No. Most that do not own it just come over to play some multi-player Wii games, but then they'll go back to their 360s.
And Rohan is right, it does have a lot of software and third party support. However, for the most part, they are different kinds of games. Am I wrong to say that a lot of them are fairly simple? I just see most of them as fundamentally different. The system doesn't come off, and I don't think they want it to, as that serious, hardcore platform. It's about simple, quick fun.
Well I like the stronger depth of the serious platforms. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to start a console war or say the Wii isn't a good system. I just think there are different philosophies comparing the systems, for the most part. And if that doesn't work for you, and you disagree with that, then well like I said before, I'm not 100% with the control scheme. Damn thing tires my wrists out. Perhaps my bones are made of wafers!