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The irony of course is that Prot hits the most buttons of any of our specs.
I found a way to make some easy money. Go get the cooking books from that dude in Ashenvale for 90s. Then take those to the AH and sell them for whatever. I'm slowly taking over the entire market for those and steadily increasing my prices every week. I started at 3g, jumped to 5g, and now I'm going to 10g. And I usually sell 5 a week.
Easy.
Edit: I do this on an alt, so I'm not tempted to spend my earnings. Also funneling tons of junk to him to sell works. Sell meats, rep items, clothes, anything thats white pretty much. Everything floats down here.
Thank you.
I saw it for a while and then it started to decline. Prices seem to be at pre-shattered sun levels.
the irony is that the better a paladin tanks, the easier it becomes for him to tank. I mean shit, you build aggro by fucking standing there.
Techincally any tank who's being damaged and healed is generating threat. Rage generation and SA both generate threat. :P
1. Judge Crusader.
2. Seal of Blood.
3. Crusader Strike every now and then.
4. Goto 2.
Yeah, that ledge in Nagrand is great for that. At least on my server no one is ever there. I managed to get pretty good drop rate there too. Not awesome, but hey. As a holy pally I could pull 3 or 4 of the cobras and let them hit me. Clear the ledge in a couple pulls, then go single pull them in the cult area for 10 or so minutes while they respawn.
Aye. Have a tank body-pull something, make sure you are in combat, and the pop Blood Rage. Make sure you register as "in combat" with the mobs. Everything will come punch you. If you happen to be the Warrior Tank, have someone in your party body pull or CC pull, then pop Blood Rage. Everything will come running.
Every form of "power gain", be it Rage, Energy, Health or Mana converts into some form of threat generation. Hydross is another good example to view this. I remember 1-2 early wipes on that boss coming from a Healer/DPS drinking a Mana Potion, right as the transition happened.
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"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Edit: Laurl and I appear to be on the same wavelength.
Of note, buffs and debuffs (even ones that don't do damage) generate a meagre amount of threat. I think it's like 50 or 150 or so, enough to get a boss's attention if you body pull them, but not enough to be overly appreciable in the grand scheme.
You have to remember that those threat modifiers are also taking into account all your buffs, debuffs, and passive threat modifiers for your class.
As a Rogue or Kitty Druid, it's barely noticable, due to the massive threat reductions that you recieve just from being in Catform/being a Rogue.
IIRC, Rage is the only "power gain" that converts fully 1:1 for Rage to Threat gain.
Basically, you don't notice any of this, unless there is a really touchy aggro reset, or it's the very start of the pull.
Hydross is a good place to see this.
Leothras is a good place to see this.
Body-pulling Gruul is a GREAT place to see this. (Watched a DPS Warrior get smashed into the dirt at the start, because he Blood Raged right before the tank got a chance to hit Gruul, and then his first attack was Parried. Needless to say, DPS Warrior was smeared, and we were all dying in vent.)
EDIT: Buffing generates threat, as Forar said. Best place to ever see this was when you were Pet-Pulling Baron back during MC. Anytime a Mage or Priest gave a "quicky" buff to someone that missed the big buffs, you could watch Baron swap targets to them.
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
One example is one the double robot pulls before and after curator, The main tank pulls, I use bloodrage, the second robot targets me.
Also this same thing happened my very first time in MC. I was assigned to tank one of the adds on Garr, and after the main tank ran in, I charged at my target. The rage generation from charge combined with the proximity of the other adds made it look like an AOE taunt as all 6 adds faced me and killed me. It never occurred to me at the time as everyone chalked it up to being under geared.
Again, I don't think that this necessarily proves that standard rage generation through dealing or generating damage generates threat(though separate tests might show that), since there might be different mechanics at work when rage is generated through an ability.
Yep, and it applies to self buffs as well. For the most part all of the threat gained from buff behaves like healing threat (divided among all targets) sans modifier. Sometimes I'll spam a seal if I have a GCD up. It's a pitiful amount of threat but lets me pretend I have as many buttons to spam as a warrior.
Nefarion Phase 1, anyone? That's an example of a LARGE modifier.
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"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
I loved that change. Our response was to have the paladins AoE tank with Consecrate and Ret aura with Warriors pulling the bad ones off of us.
OK, just to clarify, I'm talking about the rage that is generated from being damaged, as in the original snippet I quoted. Not the rage you gain from doing damage, and not the rage that's included in using abilities. My only reference is the Wowwiki article on Threat, which doesn't make any mention of rage gains from taking damage increasing threat levels. As the article notes, most Warrior skills simply have a 'hard-coded' threat bonus built in, which could explain why Bloodrage would cause threat (though it's not mentioned in the article... /shrug).
Basically, what Septus said.
Also, passive health and mana gains (basically, regen) don't generate threat. This fact, coupled with the above, makes me think that getting hit doesn't generate threat in and of itself. Or at least, I haven't seen proof yet.
One way to test it would be to have two players aggro a mob. Player 1, the warrior, just sits there getting hit for a minute or so, without taking heals or anything. Then, player 2 hits the mob once, preferably for as little damage as possible... unarmed perhaps. If he gains aggro (which I think he would), rage from taking damage doesn't build threat. If Player 1 retains aggro at that point, getting hit must have built some threat for him.
By the way, the article also says that energy gains of any kind don't seem to increase threat.
Edit: Just found a couple lines that seem to explain it pretty clearly:
So, basically, any 'special' type of rage gain, other than normal generation from dealing or receiving damage, seems to generate threat. Damage-related rage gains do not. Or, at least, that's what Wowwiki has to say on the subject.
Correct. If the player that you buffed/healed was not in combat at the time that you performed those actions, any further "ticks" that they recieve once "in combat" will not count towards you.
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"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Back when I used to just OT on my pally with the old guild, I used to scare the hell out of the group on Prince Malch pulls by putting my seal up right as Malch started running towards our warrior MT. Prince would start running towards me and then the warrior's gun would go off and he'd regain the aggro.
Right now more than anything I want a waterproof laptop, so I can go home, take a mineral bath, and play WoW at the same time.
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Hey, I was ready to start tanking him!