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The Mixed Martial Arts Thread - Round 2
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ITT, we discuss MMA.
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ITT, we discuss MMA.
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Holy Hell! I knew Fedor was good, but he's been "Dodging" top competition since the dissolution of Pride. I thought maybe, just maybe, Sylvia would give him trouble. No. No siree. He made a UFC Heavyweight Champion look like a child, and he did it in half a minute!
I was glad to see Arlovski fighting smart, but still aggressive. I was worried about him.
Babalu's boxing looked.... much more refined.
The other fights were completely forgettable.
I was glad to see Arlovski fighting smart, but still aggressive. I was worried about him.
Babalu's boxing looked.... much more refined.
The other fights were completely forgettable.
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We're all hoping for the RandyvsFedor fight, buuuuut that fight is nebulous, to say the least. Doomed to perdition in legal limbo.
What heavyweight can be a challenge for him? Because I honestly don't see anyone.
Both Barnett and Arlovski are there to fight, although Barnett would obviously be ready sooner than Arlovski. Fedor could fight next week for all the damage (a.k.a. none) he took during the fight with Sylvia. I don't see why they can't fight each other to see who would get a title shot, or they could have Barnett vs. Fedor right away and then give Arlovski a shot at whoever wins that fight.
Fedor has had plenty of challenges. He went full rounds with CroCop during the Grand Prix. He was actually in danger of being submitted by Mark Hunt of all people, even though he never seemed fazed. What makes Fedor so awesome isn't that he completely dominates his opponents (although as we've seen with Sylvia, he certainly can do that at times). It's that he's so strong in so many facets of the sport that it's difficult to get a winning strategy with him. But everyone has a puncher's chance to win.
Right now, Fedor just doesn't HAVE a threat. Randy, I'm very sad to say, would get crushed. I just don't think it's feasible, and I love Randy.
On the bright side one of the guys who owns the gym just won a belt at 155 in an organization around here. So that has to count for something, right?
Also, does this look "legit" to you guys?
Hey ege,
I actually find the Wikipedia summary of each art to be accurate enough:
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What is your primary aim in your practice of a martial art?
I only perused it for a moment but it looks fine. It seems to be Gracie affiliated. I'd advise sitting in on at least one class before committing to anything.
No problem.
If you have any detailed questions feel free to ask- at least about BJJ. I've dabbled in Judo but the difficulty of finding an academy not incredibly focused on kata (choreographed, drilled maneuvers) has turned me away. I am a purple belt in BJJ and it is probably the only aspect of MMA that I feel comfortable discussing as a 'legitimate' source. :winky:
Is this what it looks like?
That looks like a pseudo-bastardization of Jujutsu. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a derivative of Judo- particularly the groundwork- and some would say Jujutsu. Don't get absorbed in the historical discussions because they are mostly unimportant.
The video you posted exhibits some very unrealistic combat situations- such as perfectly extended and slowed down side kicks, non lateral overhand blows to the front of an opponent, etc. While certain elements of those techniques are applicable in BJJ and in a self-defense scenario, that whole paradigm of an opponent rushing in and you effortlessly throwing him by the wrist is... broken. It's not realistic for the average trainee.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (as it stands today) looks a lot like this in its combat iteration:
Some general submission grappling, lots of techniques from BJJ, a couple of nasty Judo tosses
Here's a pretty decent Judo video; it has some elements of BJJ that often aren't implemented in a typical American judoka's repertoire:
Some nice alive Judo training, a few BJJ elements
Try typing in ADCC in youtube for the Abu Dhabi jiu jitsu tournaments. You should see some pretty neat stuff.
Yeah I looked at the 'instructor' list and saw Royce and Rodrigo Gracie there. If they are doing regular seminars there (and it looks like they are from checking out Rodrigo's official website) then the gym is pretty legit. The Gracie Family are basically the guys that founded Brazilian JiuJitsu and many current instructors will trace their lineage back to them in one form or another. The Gracie's have their main academy up in Torrance, but it's fairly pricey and might be a bit of a commute up the 405 so the gym you linked might be a good alternative.
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Also I bet if Fedor fights Barnett, we'll be having this discussion again. "Damn, I wonder who's in stock for Fedor now? "oh well, you know, there's still some people out there..."
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Carry on, gentlemen.
Agreed.
Agreed.
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The first thing you need to understand is that Jiu Jitsu is a blanket term. It can mean japanese jiu-jitsu, which is more formal and less sport oriented than brazillian jiu-jitsu. You can tell you're looking at JJJ when you see a lot of standing locks and restraints - it's the sort of fighting we associate with stout, upright brittish action heroes.
Brazillian jiu-jitsu has a lot more rolling around on the ground. It mainly covers how to avoid being taken down, and how to win if you are. You can tell you're looking at BJJ vs the other 2 if the people are mostly working on the ground for submissions.
Judo is a sport grappling martial art that emphasizes offensive takedowns - throwing the other person so they land hard - followed by brief work on the ground to finish with a pin or submission, if needed. You can tell you're looking at judo if the people spend most of their time in a clinch, then land throws that break the action.
If you're familiar with western wrestling, BJJ is slightly more like folkstyle, while Judo is more like greco-roman.
The killer, for the layperson picking an art, is that all three use essentially the same broad body of technique and the same costumes and trappings.
BJJ generally has very high belt promotion standards and quality control. Judo has middling quality controls - if the judo school is part of one of the big judo orgs, a BB from them probably means something. JJJ has very diffuse quality control, and a BB in it could mean anything from 2 years of experience to 42.
The school you posted looks like a good one to me. The instructor has placed highly in the pan-am games and several other prominent tournaments and is mentioned as promoted to black belt on Royce Gracie's website.
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WTF was Sean Sherk thinking in that fight with BJ? His arms are three inches long, did he really think he'd be able to box with him? And no takedown attempts at all aside from that weakish one at the start of the fight? I don't think eating jabs for three rounds before taking a huge knee to the head was how he planned his comeback.
He pulled a Matt Hughes. He convinced himself that his boxing was good enough to stand with BJ, and gave up his one possible advantage.
I wanted to exchange words with the guys but luckily I didn't have to. My instructor knew (as well as I do even as a relatively inexperienced Judo player) that koshi guruma is by no means a "death art" or anything so ridiculous. It's been frowned upon in some beginner's tournaments because it can sometimes injure the neck, but it's an absolute staple of traditional Kodokan.
I hate when people lie about their experience (as this guy obviously was). That sort of misunderstanding can get people hurt.
edit: also note that this is after him holding a heel hook 2-3 seconds after I tapped because he 'didn't notice'. :x
It is, yes. As I said, a lot of tournaments have recently frowned upon it (and I think some in Canada have even banned it) but it is still a very 'staple' technique and is not a 'dick move' in any way. With two experienced judokas it is incredibly, incredibly rudimentary. It's not like it was an elevated, punishing toss- or something like kani basami that poses significant damage to joints.
My guess is he's never done Judo in his life. Just another BJJ practitioner who thinks that because they can execute an in-step trip on a white belt that they 'know take downs'. :v:
Seriously. And as I said, that was after he latched on a nasty heel hook that definitely stuck for a second longer than it needed to. I talked to him about that and he seemed ok with it- though he didn't admit fault and reiterated that he 'didn't feel me tapping'. :v:
I expect he was just butt hurt because he's not used to getting tossed on his ass. Probably rolls from the ground all the time.
I think Cote's gonna get killed quick. I mean really quick. I'll grant I didn't watch his pre-UFC fights but I've never even seen someone test Anderson Silva standing, and you know Cote's gonna try to bang.
Also, they mentioned in the UFC 84 broadcast that Wanderlei was thinking about moving down to 185; I pay to see the Axe Murderer fight the Spider.
Did they resign Okami or what?
He's broken his hand.
"oh fuck why am I looking at the ceiling all of the sudden?"
I even made a blog entry about it once.
Im going to try and get tickets! This is teh first time the UFC has been closer than 10 hours away from me.
Of course im going to go and watch Anderson murder a canadian, but "it's MMA, anything can happen!"
Tim spent most of the night socializing with the ring girls.
I live in the same town as Tim Sylvia. One time I was at an ice cream parlor eating ice cream with some friends when he rolled up in a pimped out Hummer with a hot girl and a kid. I got an autograph.
On a different subject, are there any MMA bouts on TV or pay-per-view before WEC on August 3rd?
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