Fantastic four cartoon

jarednielson

Hey guys just thought I'd drop this into the shark tank
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82241
looks alright , don't know about the costumes though.
I have the old f4 series on dvd, so i hope this one is worth my time.

Bad Karma

I like Doc Dooms kitty cat claws. They make him look so menacing.

Im not digging the anime style look. Just not my thang.

DouglasDanger

I do not really see much of the typical "anime" stylings. I think it is actually French anyways... It looks ok I guess. However, Ultimate Avengers looked ok and we all know how that turned out.

Target Practice

Well it can hardly be any worse than the old cartoon.

Toji Suzuhara

Target Practice wrote:

Well it can hardly be any worse than the old cartoon.

Yeah, exactly. Hopefully this one won't have Johnny Storm singing at all.

All I can say is at least it doesn't have soft-cell shading. It always looks horrible.

Ed: The best possible Fantastic Four cartoon would be an Ultimate Fantastic Four cartoon in the style of Stuart Immonen.

Bad Karma

Target Practice wrote:

Well it can hardly be any worse than the old cartoon.

Season 1 was good in a crappy, cheesy kind of way, while season 2 was good in a good, goody kind of way.

Garlic Bread

DouglasDanger wrote:

I do not really see much of the typical "anime" stylings.

So that's why you hate everything. Because you can't see shit.

august

I have yet to see an animated Marvel that didn't look like shit. This looks a bit better.

DouglasDanger

I just dont see any of the cliche anime stylings. I do not see giant eyes and thimbles for noses, although their noses are kind of tiny I guess. I do not see "face faults" or characters spazzing way the hell out, or distorted body anatomy such as overly large heads and extremities. Ben is the only character who exhibits an exaggerated anatomy. It does not look anymore anime than Ultimate Avengers, at least to me.

august

I agree with Doug.

EDIT: My only thing is that I can't handle Reed being young and hip. He should always be like 40.

DouglasDanger

If anything, it looks kind of generic European or something.

Garlic Bread

The designs are Cowboy Bebop-style anime, with new school action anime coloring.

Bad Karma

But he doesn't look young and hip. He has grey temples. That means he's old. Real old.

DouglasDanger

Iguess I can see some Cowboy Bebop in their facial structure, if I look long enough. When I think generic anime stylings, I think of things like Naruto, dbz and so on, not something like CB. Really though, a lot of the cliches are only seen in animation, not promo art. Things like people's face going nuts, or red noses for arousal are really not seen until you see the actual show in motion.

delphinus

Target Practice wrote:

Well it can hardly be any worse than the old cartoon.

"Mr. Fantastic! Invisible Woman! The Thing and....HERBIE THE ROBOT!"

Munch

The art actually vaguely reminds me of Pasqual Ferry's work, which isn't a bad thing at all. But from what little I watched of Code Lyoko, it was so, so bad, and that makes me nervous.

The Muffin Man

or distorted body anatomy such as overly large heads and extremities.

SOMEONE doesn't read much F4

BiggNife

I can see the comparison to anime, but it looks like they actually tried to make the style a little unique too.

Even though Avatar is a good show, the art style is the prime example of generic anime. This is much less so.

Kyougu

BiggNife wrote:

I can see the comparison to anime, but it looks like they actually tried to make the style a little unique too.

Even though Avatar is a good show, the art style is the prime example of generic anime. This is much less so.

Cool, I'm not the only one that digs Avatar. Yay me.

And I like this cartoon's style. Does remind me of anime..but not overly so.

The Lovely Bastard

delphinus wrote:

Target Practice wrote:

Well it can hardly be any worse than the old cartoon.

"Mr. Fantastic! Invisible Woman! The Thing and....HERBIE THE ROBOT!"

Now THAT was a cartoon.

jarednielson

Where was johnny, I'd guess a bender.
A really long bender.

Kuribo's Shoe

Johnny was in time out because they were afraid kids would set themselves on fire.

Thing must be really emo if he just let them spraypaint a 4 on his chest.

ParisInFlames

Kuribo's Shoe wrote:

Johnny was in time out because they were afraid kids would set themselves on fire.

I thought no one cared about shit back in the day. "You want to go sledding down a busy street? Put on your warm cloths and bring your brother."

Olivaw

The Lovely Bastard wrote:

delphinus wrote:

Target Practice wrote:

Well it can hardly be any worse than the old cartoon.

"Mr. Fantastic! Invisible Woman! The Thing and....HERBIE THE ROBOT!"


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Now THAT was a cartoon.

Everyone in that picture looks totally pissed, except Herbie, who just looks happy to be included.

As for this new show, I have no problem with it aside from Doom. Claws? Doom doesn't need claws. He better be written smart too, not "i know i will blow up new york lol".

Golden Yak

Olivaw wrote:

As for this new show, I have no problem with it aside from Doom. Claws? Doom doesn't need claws. He better be written smart too, not "i know i will blow up new york lol".

They're more like shiny nails then claws. Not crazy about them myself. Doom's not really supposed to get physical and scratch people. He has hordes of robots for that.

From the episode previews, it sounds like he's hellbent on destroying the FF, particularly Reed, and doesn't care who gets in the way. I think he MAY blow up New York, but only incidentally, because Reed happened to be there and Doom wanted to be thorough.

The Muffin Man

Golden Yak wrote:

Olivaw wrote:

As for this new show, I have no problem with it aside from Doom. Claws? Doom doesn't need claws. He better be written smart too, not "i know i will blow up new york lol".

They're more like shiny nails then claws. Not crazy about them myself. Doom's not really supposed to get physical and scratch people. He has hordes of robots for that.

From the episode previews, it sounds like he's hellbent on destroying the FF, particularly Reed, and doesn't care who gets in the way. I think he MAY blow up New York, but only incidentally, because Reed happened to be there and Doom wanted to be thorough.

Sounds like Doom to me.

Accualt

Keith wrote:

The designs are Cowboy Bebop-style anime, with new school action anime coloring.

Right, it certainly doesn't look like "American cartoons" as in G.I. Joe.

Does Ben have a 4symbol spray paintedon his chest in that picture? He does, I know, but my brain can't really accept it.

robosagogo

I don't see why we even need to make a distinction between American animation and Japanese animation. Animation is animation, and it's not as though EVERY cartoon in Japan looks the same and EVERY cartoon made by Americans looks the same, so stating the country of origin doesn't say much at all.

Grifter

robosagogo wrote:

I don't see why we even need to make a distinction between American animation and Japanese animation. Animation is animation, and it's not as though EVERY cartoon in Japan looks the same and EVERY cartoon made by Americans looks the same, so stating the country of origin doesn't say much at all.

But if we don't then how on earth will we be able to be prejudice?

Accualt

grifter81 wrote:

robosagogo wrote:

I don't see why we even need to make a distinction between American animation and Japanese animation. Animation is animation, and it's not as though EVERY cartoon in Japan looks the same and EVERY cartoon made by Americans looks the same, so stating the country of origin doesn't say much at all.

But if we don't then how on earth will we be able to be prejudice?

How is it prejudice? Seriously, American animation tends to have one kind of style just like American cheese. It is just a name given to it. Then you look at Japanimation and it tends to have its own style. It is no different than Native American pottery and Greek pottery looking different.

I'll grant that more recent Japanese animation has expanded into different styles but most of us could probably still spot which shows are Japanese and which are American...not as easily since Korean animation seemingly adopts all styles and almost nothing is animated in the states anymore.

DouglasDanger

Who cares though? As long as the designs are solid and the animation is good, does it really even matter?

august

Accualt wrote:

I'll grant that more recent Japanese animation has expanded into different styles but most of us could probably still spot which shows are Japanese and which are American...not as easily since Korean animation seemingly adopts all styles and almost nothing is animated in the states anymore.

It dosen't really matter that stuff is animated in Korea, it matters who dictates the character designs. I mean, The Tick was animated in Korea, and Batman TAS was at least partialy animated in Japan.

jarednielson

I wonder what Namor is gonna look like.

Kuribo's Shoe

jarednielson wrote:

I wonder what Namor is gonna look like.

jarednielson

Kuribo's Shoe wrote:

jarednielson wrote:

I wonder what Namor is gonna look like.

Change the giant gay anime hair with his slick black give him spock ears and I actually see that working.

The Muffin Man

THAT WAS INCREDIBLY CLEVER SHOE.

CAPS IS IN NO WAY MEANT TO DENOTE SARCASM.

Orogogus

Accualt wrote:

How is it prejudice? Seriously, American animation tends to have one kind of style just like American cheese. It is just a name given to it. Then you look at Japanimation and it tends to have its own style.

Eh... I think Japanimation is a lot more monolithic than American animation, which is all over the place. I can see the similarity between Cowboy Bebop, Pokemon and Speed Racer a lot more clearly than I can between Dexter's Laboratory, GI Joe, Batman: TAS and the '90s X-Men cartoon. I don't really see that much anime in those FF pics, though; maybe a little, but not any more than I see in a lot of American comics. Hard to say without seeing the animation at work.

Spectre-x

Kuribo's Shoe wrote:

Johnny was in time out because they were afraid kids would set themselves on fire.

Thing must be really emo if he just let them spraypaint a 4 on his chest.

Nope. That's not true. It was because there was a Human Torch movie in the works at the time the cartoon came out, though the movie was never finished.

Kuribo's Shoe

Spectre-x wrote:

Kuribo's Shoe wrote:

Johnny was in time out because they were afraid kids would set themselves on fire.

Thing must be really emo if he just let them spraypaint a 4 on his chest.

Nope. That's not true. It was because there was a Human Torch movie in the works at the time the cartoon came out, though the movie was never finished.

yeah, I know. I was hoping someone would come and mention that, but the first story is much more entertaining, I feel.

Scooter

It has more truthiness?

Grifter

Orogogus wrote:

Accualt wrote:

How is it prejudice? Seriously, American animation tends to have one kind of style just like American cheese. It is just a name given to it. Then you look at Japanimation and it tends to have its own style.

Eh... I think Japanimation is a lot more monolithic than American animation, which is all over the place. I can see the similarity between Cowboy Bebop, Pokemon and Speed Racer a lot more clearly than I can between Dexter's Laboratory, GI Joe, Batman: TAS and the '90s X-Men cartoon. I don't really see that much anime in those FF pics, though; maybe a little, but not any more than I see in a lot of American comics. Hard to say without seeing the animation at work.

See, this is where I find a huge problem with your argument. You're going to compare Cowboy Bebop with Pokemon and call them similar and then compare Dexter's Laboratory with X-men and say that they're different? I find a huge gaping hole in this scenario. I guess it's just a personal opinion in the end but I'd rather think that you made my argument for me.