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okay, okay hang on, I haven't seen this movie in like 7 years, but here's my issue with it
it starts off as a very interesting examination of modern white collar men who have lost touch with their masculinity, and attempt re engage in it in a very extreme way. I was basically very disappointed when the plot began to shift toward the underground conspiracy angle, I thought the movie could have gone to more interesting places if it kept it's scope smaller.
and man I love Duck Soup
Not at all. It's about a group of men who are just extremely upset with how their lives are going and how their willingness to coexist in this society they were unwillingly brought up into was so completely foolish. They just want to escape the mental prison that they've been in for so long, and in the process they enter a new mental prison and thus the satire emerges. They drift so far from the life they once had only to go into a new life that, while being radically different, still adheres to the basic rules of their former life.
The fight club is in essence fighting to cut each member down to his core, who they really are spiritually and psychologically without any other influences or worries or anything. Durden destroys their mold to apply a new one how he sees fit.
I don't think the idea of fight clubs was ever meant to be a valid one
okay maybe not, but what they were rebelling against was in a way valid. at the very least it was an understandable frustration, no?
SAYING SOMETHING IS UNDERSTANDABLE IS NOT THAT SAME AS SAYING IT'S VALID
LIKE CHRIS ROCK, AND HIS "I DON'T CONDONE IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND"
OR JOHN DOE IN SE7EN. YOU CAN'T SAY HE TOOK THE RIGHT PATH, BUT A LOT OF HIS RHETORIC IS UNDERSTANDABLE
EDIT: THE BEST VILLAINS ARE THE ONES WITH THOSE KERNELS OF SYMPATHY
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i took something different from the end of the film
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
yeah well there's different levels of understandability. there's understandable villain, which you might put tyler durden or john doe into. then there's understandable protagonist, which can still be 'not what you'd do' and yeah, invalid, but at least not deviant enough to overwrite the majority of the character's other values. see norton's character. then there's just completely rational, human thinking, which i guess you'd call 'valid' and is (in the context of a movie like fight club) quite boring.
A lot of your interpretation Pooro hinges on how you see gender and its fundamental aspects. Masculinity and femininity are still hotly debated definitions and saying that anarchy is inevitably the ultimate expression of masculinity is really demonizing the male influence. As in all other things, balance is what we should strive for. The balance between the masculine and the feminine is no different. When one side is emphasized over the other, abuses will follow, no matter which side is being overemphasized.
i took something different from the end of the film
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
BUT THAT'S THE THING - THERE'S ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION
SO SOMEONE SAYING A MOVIE LIKE FIGHT CLUB IS DUMB JUST TELLS ME THAT SOMEONE HASN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKIN' AT ALL THE ANGLES
i always thought that the gun to the head pretty much just destroyed the mental split itself, and the result is neither tyler nor jack - an amalgalm which has jack's humanity and tyler's control and strength
A lot of your interpretation Pooro hinges on how you see gender and its fundamental aspects. Masculinity and femininity are still hotly debated definitions and saying that anarchy is inevitably the ultimate expression of masculinity is really demonizing the male influence. As in all other things, balance is what we should strive for. The balance between the masculine and the feminine is no different. When one side is emphasized over the other, abuses will follow, no matter which side is being overemphasized.
NO, I AGREE
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK FIGHT CLUB WAS GETTING AT. SAYING THAT ANY ONE INFLUENCE, IN IT'S EXTREME, IS GONNA LEAD TO UNFORTUNATE SHIT
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i took something different from the end of the film
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
shit man that is a terrifying new perspective on a movie I've watched liked a billion times.
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edited August 2008
would you be satisfied with put the gun in your mouth
i took something different from the end of the film
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
BUT THAT'S THE THING - THERE'S ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION
SO SOMEONE SAYING A MOVIE LIKE FIGHT CLUB IS DUMB JUST TELLS ME THAT SOMEONE HASN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKIN' AT ALL THE ANGLES
GOD I'm not saying it's dumb, I'm actually really enjoying reading what you all have to say about the movie, more so between yourselves, when the caps locks are put to rest.
i took something different from the end of the film
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
BUT THAT'S THE THING - THERE'S ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION
SO SOMEONE SAYING A MOVIE LIKE FIGHT CLUB IS DUMB JUST TELLS ME THAT SOMEONE HASN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKIN' AT ALL THE ANGLES
GOD I'm not saying it's dumb, I'm actually really enjoying reading what you all have to say about the movie, more so between yourselves, when the caps locks are put to rest.
YOU'RE SO VAIN, YOU PROBABLY THINK THIS POST IS ABOUT YOU
i took something different from the end of the film
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
BUT THAT'S THE THING - THERE'S ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION
SO SOMEONE SAYING A MOVIE LIKE FIGHT CLUB IS DUMB JUST TELLS ME THAT SOMEONE HASN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKIN' AT ALL THE ANGLES
GOD I'm not saying it's dumb, I'm actually really enjoying reading what you all have to say about the movie, more so between yourselves, when the caps locks are put to rest.
YOU'RE SO VAIN, YOU PROBABLY THINK THIS POST IS ABOUT YOU
you kids can't stop posting about me for one goddamn second can you
aside from all the awesome shit that already came out this year and is coming out right now, the end of the year promises to be fantastic too. i've seen the curious case of benjamin button trailer like ten times now.
I'm kind of pissed off they changed the timeline of the curious case of benjamin button so they could put in ipods and vidja games and whatever blasted stuff you damn kids have today
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okay movie thread time to yell at people about In Bruges again (until everyone has seen it)
Even after Dark Knight, Wall*E, and some older films that i only saw this year (Michael Clayton, There Will Be Blood), In Bruges is still my favorite of 2008 as of right now. May not have been the best outright movie (those latter ones are pretty damn good), but still my favorite.
The Dark Knight was pretty damn good film but I wished that the Joker would shut up for a second about "agent of chaos" this and "philisophical justification" that. I GET IT, you are deep and shit.
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Not at all. It's about a group of men who are just extremely upset with how their lives are going and how their willingness to coexist in this society they were unwillingly brought up into was so completely foolish. They just want to escape the mental prison that they've been in for so long, and in the process they enter a new mental prison and thus the satire emerges. They drift so far from the life they once had only to go into a new life that, while being radically different, still adheres to the basic rules of their former life.
The fight club is in essence fighting to cut each member down to his core, who they really are spiritually and psychologically without any other influences or worries or anything. Durden destroys their mold to apply a new one how he sees fit.
okay maybe not, but what they were rebelling against was in a way valid. at the very least it was an understandable frustration, no?
LIKE CHRIS ROCK, AND HIS "I DON'T CONDONE IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND"
OR JOHN DOE IN SE7EN. YOU CAN'T SAY HE TOOK THE RIGHT PATH, BUT A LOT OF HIS RHETORIC IS UNDERSTANDABLE
EDIT: THE BEST VILLAINS ARE THE ONES WITH THOSE KERNELS OF SYMPATHY
durden was constantly pushing for jack to give up, hit rock bottom, lose all hope
how much lower can you get than killing yourself
jack threw it all away, but the gunshot wasn't fatal. jack hits bottom, tyler wins, the jack personality dies, and tyler takes his lady to the window to look at what he's wrought
what on earth am i talking about
SO SOMEONE SAYING A MOVIE LIKE FIGHT CLUB IS DUMB JUST TELLS ME THAT SOMEONE HASN'T REALLY BEEN LOOKIN' AT ALL THE ANGLES
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK FIGHT CLUB WAS GETTING AT. SAYING THAT ANY ONE INFLUENCE, IN IT'S EXTREME, IS GONNA LEAD TO UNFORTUNATE SHIT
Look I agree with all of that I just wasn't satisfied by the way they went about exploring it
shit man that is a terrifying new perspective on a movie I've watched liked a billion times.
what a failure
and there's such a vast pool of films that do it better, of course
all up in tina turner's business
total allegory
GOD I'm not saying it's dumb, I'm actually really enjoying reading what you all have to say about the movie, more so between yourselves, when the caps locks are put to rest.
or like one of the stupid tribal kids
or just some douche extra in the crowd
kick him in the shins for me okay
he was pretty young, i think he was the one that mel gibson carried on his shoulders
well that's not really relevant
you kids can't stop posting about me for one goddamn second can you
i might go watch this
edit: sorry there's tits in that
nsfw
thanks alot bsjezz
does look like a decent documentary though
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why had i not added this up before
Even after Dark Knight, Wall*E, and some older films that i only saw this year (Michael Clayton, There Will Be Blood), In Bruges is still my favorite of 2008 as of right now. May not have been the best outright movie (those latter ones are pretty damn good), but still my favorite.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IN BRUGES
GO SEE IN BRUGES
IN FUCKING BRUGES
THE LONG, TRACKING SHOT WHERE THE TV IN THE BACKGROUND IS PLAYING THE LONG, TRACKING SHOT FROM TOUCH OF EVIL?
GOOD LORD, I WAS FUCKING GIDDY
The Dark Knight was pretty damn good film but I wished that the Joker would shut up for a second about "agent of chaos" this and "philisophical justification" that. I GET IT, you are deep and shit.
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It wasn't out for very long
So far I think my favourite film of the year is Son of Rambow, despite slightly too cheesy ending
Oh, and There Will Be Blood, which came out this year in the UK
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