yeah you tell 'em
a revolution would really improve things right?
Well, in the short term no probably not. But in the long term I see yes. The system we currently have is completely failing. It is so throughly corrupt and backwards that anything would be better. This "bailout" plan is a perfect example of the sinking ship that is the usa.
yeah you tell 'em
a revolution would really improve things right?
Well, in the short term no probably not. But in the long term I see yes. The system we currently have is completely failing. It is so throughly corrupt and backwards that anything would be better. This "bailout" plan is a perfect example of the sinking ship that is the usa.
ok thanks for establishing that you're too stupid for your own well being
Well this sucks. My post-college market fund that was to fuel my house and help jumpstart my life after I graduate just lost 50% of value.
Goodbye fucking home in Seattle.
My point exactly
your point is simply observing that the market is tanking? in other words your point is something that's already obvious to everyone?
The system we have isn't "failing". It's going through the fucking cyclic pattern that is inherit in open markets. This shit sucks, yes. But it will find it's floor and stabilize. Socializing and nationalizing everything is just going to make it even worse down the road. It's the "old-guard" of politicians who are dumping huge fucking sums of money into this because they are goddamn panicking.
I have a personal stake in this and yea, I'm getting fucked over but that's the goddamn nature of the economy.
Well this sucks. My post-college market fund that was to fuel my house and help jumpstart my life after I graduate just lost 50% of value.
Goodbye fucking home in Seattle.
My point exactly
your point is simply observing that the market is tanking? in other words your point is something that's already obvious to everyone?
The system we have isn't "failing". It's going through the fucking cyclic pattern that is inherit in open markets. This shit sucks, yes. But it will find it's floor and stabilize. Socializing and nationalizing everything is just going to make it even worse down the road. It's the "old-guard" of politicians who are dumping huge fucking sums of money into this because they are goddamn panicking.
I have a personal stake in this and yea, I'm getting fucked over but that's the goddamn nature of the economy.
Okay but what we are experiencing here is a bubble burst but compounded with a credit crises that has nothing to do with free market principles (not the good ones anyway) this sort of problem can be avoided without abandoning the free market we just need something like Glass Steagal again
Well this sucks. My post-college market fund that was to fuel my house and help jumpstart my life after I graduate just lost 50% of value.
Goodbye fucking home in Seattle.
My point exactly
your point is simply observing that the market is tanking? in other words your point is something that's already obvious to everyone?
No, it's that our leaders are doing a very, very poor job of running our country. Hanging 90% of the population out to dry so 1% can continue their lifestyle is absurd. I was so happy when the bill was denied the first time. By continuing to bail these greedy, poorly managed, corrupt companies out you are creating an economic environment where there is no chance of failure, in return you get no incentive to prosper, and no incentive to do anything but line their own pockets. Why are we taking money from taxpayers and giving it to failing companies again? They failed, time to pack your shit up and leave town.
no way man we need a revolution
tear it all down and start over
that's guaranteed to make things better
right?
right?
edit: girl pants you are so goddamned naive I'm embarrassed for you
Maybe it's you who are a bit naive? You see this category of problem popping up over and over again and maybe you think,"hey this isn't really working is it?"
no, I think you're naive because you only see problems in the current system and assume that anything is better
you even explicitly stated so
you sound like someone that's repeating slogans they heard from an activist but don't really understand
in other words, you sound incredibly ignorant and naive
no way man we need a revolution
tear it all down and start over
that's guaranteed to make things better
right?
right?
edit: girl pants you are so goddamned naive I'm embarrassed for you
Maybe it's you who are a bit naive? You see this category of problem popping up over and over again and maybe you think,"hey this isn't really working is it?"
What would you propose instead?
Change for change's own sake is indistinguishable, in any practical sense, from anarchy.
Unless you propose a superior alternative, all you're saying is that there are flaws. In the simplest terms possible, that just means that there are people involved in some way.
Sitting around mumbling about "time for change" isn't going to achieve anything.
there's nothing more useless than someone that can only complain about what's wrong with the current situation and calls for change, but offers absolutely no practical suggestions on how to actually improve things
supposedly just revolting and overthrowing the government will somehow magically result in things getting better
Listen GirlPants, I have to listen to that 99% of people on the phone every goddamn day for the past three weeks because of that and let me tell you that personally I would have rather the bill not gone through, however from the standpoint of jumpstarting the economy it was needed.
Aside from AIG, are you honestly that stupid to think the money we are giving these institutions is going to go back into their CEO's pockets? No, it's going to get them trading again so the credit lines open, people are able to take out loans to buy houses and cars and education and not frantically try to withdraw their life savings and hide it under their mattress.
If none of these "corrupt" institutions spend money, nobody else is going to spend money either and we actually will hit rock bottom. That is the end result of a revolution.
Well this sucks. My post-college market fund that was to fuel my house and help jumpstart my life after I graduate just lost 50% of value.
Goodbye fucking home in Seattle.
that was very poorly invested
Possibly, I have an extremely diversified trust set up for buying a house and for my kids etc. and that got hit pretty hard too. Hell, many of citi/smithbarney/leggmason's funds are down 50% in value from this day last year.
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a revolution would really improve things right?
Less people means more money for the survivors.
That's basic economics right there.
Pork.
about 1.5 trillion's worth, iirc.
I know I'd looove to smash Lieberman over the head with a ham.
Who wouldn't?
Well, in the short term no probably not. But in the long term I see yes. The system we currently have is completely failing. It is so throughly corrupt and backwards that anything would be better. This "bailout" plan is a perfect example of the sinking ship that is the usa.
TURN THAT BULLSHIT OFF IMMEDIATELY
ok thanks for establishing that you're too stupid for your own well being
Goodbye fucking home in Seattle.
My point exactly
cohesive speech is your enemy, son
you're like a dude with a sign with a fetus all up on it
assuming all banks are greedy motherfuckers, would one of them have escaped this if they were smart?
your point is simply observing that the market is tanking? in other words your point is something that's already obvious to everyone?
The system we have isn't "failing". It's going through the fucking cyclic pattern that is inherit in open markets. This shit sucks, yes. But it will find it's floor and stabilize. Socializing and nationalizing everything is just going to make it even worse down the road. It's the "old-guard" of politicians who are dumping huge fucking sums of money into this because they are goddamn panicking.
I have a personal stake in this and yea, I'm getting fucked over but that's the goddamn nature of the economy.
Okay but what we are experiencing here is a bubble burst but compounded with a credit crises that has nothing to do with free market principles (not the good ones anyway) this sort of problem can be avoided without abandoning the free market we just need something like Glass Steagal again
No, it's that our leaders are doing a very, very poor job of running our country. Hanging 90% of the population out to dry so 1% can continue their lifestyle is absurd. I was so happy when the bill was denied the first time. By continuing to bail these greedy, poorly managed, corrupt companies out you are creating an economic environment where there is no chance of failure, in return you get no incentive to prosper, and no incentive to do anything but line their own pockets. Why are we taking money from taxpayers and giving it to failing companies again? They failed, time to pack your shit up and leave town.
tear it all down and start over
that's guaranteed to make things better
right?
right?
edit: girl pants you are so goddamned naive I'm embarrassed for you
Maybe it's you who are a bit naive? You see this category of problem popping up over and over again and maybe you think,"hey this isn't really working is it?"
you even explicitly stated so
you sound like someone that's repeating slogans they heard from an activist but don't really understand
in other words, you sound incredibly ignorant and naive
What would you propose instead?
Change for change's own sake is indistinguishable, in any practical sense, from anarchy.
Unless you propose a superior alternative, all you're saying is that there are flaws. In the simplest terms possible, that just means that there are people involved in some way.
Sitting around mumbling about "time for change" isn't going to achieve anything.
there's nothing more useless than someone that can only complain about what's wrong with the current situation and calls for change, but offers absolutely no practical suggestions on how to actually improve things
supposedly just revolting and overthrowing the government will somehow magically result in things getting better
Good work, gentlemen, there'll be a little bonus for you at the end of the year.
But Dru, revolutions involve LOOTING AND KILLING.
I mean we'd get to loot and kill dudes! That would just be hells of fun!
Also we all know whats going to fix the economy, the new World of Warcraft Expansion. Thats like 1.5 Trillion right there
that was very poorly invested
Aside from AIG, are you honestly that stupid to think the money we are giving these institutions is going to go back into their CEO's pockets? No, it's going to get them trading again so the credit lines open, people are able to take out loans to buy houses and cars and education and not frantically try to withdraw their life savings and hide it under their mattress.
If none of these "corrupt" institutions spend money, nobody else is going to spend money either and we actually will hit rock bottom. That is the end result of a revolution.
Possibly, I have an extremely diversified trust set up for buying a house and for my kids etc. and that got hit pretty hard too. Hell, many of citi/smithbarney/leggmason's funds are down 50% in value from this day last year.
And then they hired private military groups to prevent the government from retaliating
and then there was a war between the federal govt. and the corporate military
OH GOD JOHN TITOR WAS RIGHT
i am part of the machine that is destroying america
you are welcome 8-)
GIVE ME A TRILLION DOLLARS SO I CAN GO DAY SPAING!!
okay but you gotta pay me 18.5 trillion in two months
that cool?