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Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
edited October 2008 in MMO Extravaganza
Main tanks are falling everywhere.

"This ham sammich! It's too much!

Priests don't got the mustard.

"I've only got condiments! What more do ye want!"

Druids don't got the beef.

"Even if I COULD shift into a cow..."

Shaman are a bunch of pussies.

"We need to get back to nature and eat organic rice-ham!"

Only one class brings the bacon.

"I'm here to bring that ham sammich out from darkness!"

This fall, get ready for...

"[tiny]Iwassupposedtofilledyourdarksoulwith[/tiny]BACON OF LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT"


Though! The BEASTS of Ravenholdt will be back come expansion. I will be delayed by lawschool finals, however. SO COUNT ON ME FOR DECEMBER SHENANIGANS! SEXY BEASTS NEVER SAY DIE!

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Italics.

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    SabreMauSabreMau ネトゲしよう 판다리아Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Every time I think, "Hey, I should probably level my WotLK beta character past 73" I get on, kill a few mobs, and server lag gets to the point where it's not really worth the effort to continue.

    Too late at this point for them to add more PvE realms, probably.

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    EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah, the pvp beta server doesn't seem too populated, but it seems like everyone and their mother is on pve.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Hopefully the beta server lag won't reflect how the live realms will be with the implementation of phasing.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I wonder with semi crowded realms and the rush to 80 crash the realm due to several people starting a phasing event at the same time?

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    lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Everytime I log in the beta server I weep. I just can't wait for 3.0 to hit live servers.

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    Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    this thread has the destructive capability of the blitzkrieg

    also i have a boner i want 3.0 right now

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Is 3.0 in a position to maybe have a slim chance to go live this week?

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    Little JimLittle Jim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    i doubt it but i've been wrong before

    if it dropped tuesday we'd have about 40 days of fooling around before WotLK?

    sounds about right actually

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Henroid wrote: »
    Is 3.0 in a position to maybe have a slim chance to go live this week?

    The trifecta
    This week no chance
    Next week slim chance
    The week after fairly good chance
    Taking on all bets!

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    SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, I still expect to have no fewer than 3 weeks of time in 3.0 before the expac, but things could change so much depending on the state of the PTR.

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    ZeroCowZeroCow Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Finally purchased BC this weekend, yay wedding money!

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    My estimation for the release of the patch is: when they are done with the horrible, terrible bugs associated with the PTR and beta and are confident that it will run with some semblance of competency, they will release it the next week.

    This, of course, changes whenever they do a major change to the beta patch.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    Finally purchased BC this weekend, yay wedding money!

    You have exceptionally bad timing, you know that?

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    SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    Finally purchased BC this weekend, yay wedding money!

    Damn, you've got a whole hell of a lot of awesome coming your way.

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    No way it goes live this week. Maybe in two weeks. 3.0 won't go live until all the pre-70 content (i.e., all classes and inscription) are ready and there's still a little ways to go, although I'm impressed by each patch that comes out now.

    Every time I log into beta, I go "I don't really want to have to do all of this twice." When I log into live I don't feel like playing my 70s and the shaman I'm Leveling is feeling kind of "meh." I want a DK.

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    The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I dunno, 2.0 went live about 6 weeks before TBC; things weren't finalized and changed a lot by launch (which, incidentally didn't warrant another talent reset apparently, so don't expect a reset with WotLK if there is one with 3.0), and it went on.

    But yeah, I doubt this will be the week. Probably next week or the week after.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    All major bugs and most minor bugs gone.

    Then it goes live.

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    MgcwMgcw Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Not this week because there's a scourge invasion spawn point outside Ironforge right where all the happy Brewfest revelers are!

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    Finally purchased BC this weekend, yay wedding money!

    You have exceptionally bad timing, you know that?

    Why's that? He's about two or three weeks away from McAwesome patch and you need BC in order to play Wrath anyway. With any luck he'll hit 70 right when Wrath hits.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I feel bad for you people on PvP servers, or people who gain most of their enjoyment in this game from PvP. Enjoy the new "all classes should have at least one spec that does damage comparable to pure DPS classes" stance that the devs are taking. Holy shit. So glad I'm done with PvP.

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    AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I refuse to post in this thread until someone comes up with an interesting title.


    Shit.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Mgcw wrote: »
    Not this week because there's a scourge invasion spawn point outside Ironforge right where all the happy Brewfest revelers are!

    The dark iron dwarves and the scourge are here run!

    You lives and beer are forfit!

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Halfmex wrote: »
    I feel bad for you people on PvP servers, or people who gain most of their enjoyment in this game from PvP. Enjoy the new "all classes should have at least one spec that does damage comparable to pure DPS classes" stance that the devs are taking. Holy shit. So glad I'm done with PvP.

    How is this bad for PvP? It means that they don't have to focus on the tired paradigm of X class/spec has to be a god of healing because they are impotent otherwise.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Halfmex wrote: »
    I feel bad for you people on PvP servers, or people who gain most of their enjoyment in this game from PvP. Enjoy the new "all classes should have at least one spec that does damage comparable to pure DPS classes" stance that the devs are taking. Holy shit. So glad I'm done with PvP.
    How is this bad for PvP? It means that they don't have to focus on the tired paradigm of X class/spec has to be a god of healing because they are impotent otherwise.
    It's not so much bad for PvP as it is bad for someone not in on the Beta or PTR and expecting "business as usual" come the xpac (or 3.0 I guess). Still, I know that "balance" has yet to be achieved but it looks like this is the direction things are going to be heading in for the foreseeable future. I'm just anticipating an assload of whining on the forums because now instead of "nerf (rogues/hunters/mages/warlocks), they one shot me!" it'll be "nerf (everyone)". So I guess in that sense, it is balanced.

    Hmm.

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    MayGodHaveMercyMayGodHaveMercy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm really anxious to see what will happen to/with current raid instances when 3.0 drops.

    EDIT: I am thrilled about the devs wanting everyone to be on a semi-even playing field regarding DPS.

    EDIT: Don't worry, they've stated that "Pure DPS" classes will still be maybe 5% or so ahead of "Hybrid classes."

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, as a ret paladin, I have never been ABLE to be a healer or a tank, so it never made sense to me that I should be doing substantially less damage than rogues or hunters, and be less viable in PvP than an MS warrior.

    I do still love PvP on my ret pally, since I am usually a tiny god who can decimate half the field if I play my cards right. My hunter has always been inept in PvP when he hasn't had...well, imagine my hunter is a quarterback. With a good offensive-line, he is an indestructible master of war and death.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    EDIT: I am thrilled about the devs wanting everyone to be on a semi-even playing field regarding DPS.

    EDIT: Don't worry, they've stated that "Pure DPS" classes will still be maybe 5% or so ahead of "Hybrid classes."
    Yeah, if I raided a bunch or was in a guild that was very competitive with its DPS slots in raids, I'd care more about that, because honestly it's a pretty dumb idea in my opinion, but then so was populating this game with more hybrids than pure classes and expecting any semblance of balance.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Now I have an image of a panicked dwarf hunter standing behind a bunch of gnomes who are up against a line of orc and tauren.

    A Dranei on the sidelines is yelling "STAY IN THE POCKET!"

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    MayGodHaveMercyMayGodHaveMercy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, as a ret paladin, I have never been ABLE to be a healer or a tank, so it never made sense to me that I should be doing substantially less damage than rogues or hunters, and be less viable in PvP than an MS warrior.

    I do still love PvP on my ret pally, since I am usually a tiny god who can decimate half the field if I play my cards right. My hunter has always been inept in PvP when he hasn't had...well, imagine my hunter is a quarterback. With a good offensive-line, he is an indestructible master of war and death.

    I feel the same way, as a warrior. But, the common rebuttal is "Well you can go to town and become an awesome tank/healer." And it's true, but when I'm specced for DPS, DPS is all I can do. You're not going to find Fury warriors tanking raid bosses, and you won't find Ret Paladins MT healing.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Halfmex wrote: »
    EDIT: I am thrilled about the devs wanting everyone to be on a semi-even playing field regarding DPS.

    EDIT: Don't worry, they've stated that "Pure DPS" classes will still be maybe 5% or so ahead of "Hybrid classes."
    Yeah, if I raided a bunch or was in a guild that was very competitive with its DPS slots in raids, I'd care more about that, because honestly it's a pretty dumb idea in my opinion, but then so was populating this game with more hybrids than pure classes and expecting any semblance of balance.

    Every spec should be pvp viable and every spec should be pve viable, but not in the same way.

    The prot warrior epitomizes this philosophy, I think. They excel at tanking, are not total dead-weight when they can't tank, and they can PvP effectively by bringing loads of utility in lieu of their sacrificed DPS.

    And, similar to their raid role, you're not going to want a ton of prot warriors, since their utility drops off the more of them you get.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, as a ret paladin, I have never been ABLE to be a healer or a tank, so it never made sense to me that I should be doing substantially less damage than rogues or hunters, and be less viable in PvP than an MS warrior.

    I do still love PvP on my ret pally, since I am usually a tiny god who can decimate half the field if I play my cards right. My hunter has always been inept in PvP when he hasn't had...well, imagine my hunter is a quarterback. With a good offensive-line, he is an indestructible master of war and death.

    I feel the same way, as a warrior. But, the common rebuttal is "Well you can go to town and become an awesome tank/healer." And it's true, but when I'm specced for DPS, DPS is all I can do. You're not going to find Fury warriors tanking raid bosses, and you won't find Ret Paladins MT healing.

    Shit, I don't even have the fucking gear for that, because it takes weeks and weeks of instancing and months of badges to gear up for just one spec.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Viable, yes, but a 5% difference between "I can DPS if I spec that way" and "DPS is all I can do" is pretty nominal, enough that you'd have to wonder why anyone other than bleeding-edge progression guilds would bring a pure DPS class if they've got hybrids waiting on the sidelines.

    That said, I do appreciate that they're making tanking fun by boosting the damage output (kind of a "well, duh" in my mind). I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if things remain this way for a super long time, because the pure classes will start wondering "why even bother being just DPS, when I could have the option of being whatever fits the situation for a mere 50g?"

    Edit: and yeah, I recognize that there are gear requirements for different specs, but between craftables and the AH (especially in WotLK), you can put a nice set together that'll get you through at least beginner raids with ease. And honestly, how often do you run through raids as (x) spec and a piece for a different spec drops and you take it because, hell, it's better than it getting sharded.

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    MayGodHaveMercyMayGodHaveMercy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Halfmex wrote: »
    Viable, yes, but a 5% difference between "I can DPS if I spec that way" and "DPS is all I can do" is pretty nominal, enough that you'd have to wonder why anyone other than bleeding-edge progression guilds would bring a pure DPS class if they've got hybrids waiting on the sidelines.

    That said, I do appreciate that they're making tanking fun by boosting the damage output (kind of a "well, duh" in my mind). I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if things remain this way for a super long time, because the pure classes will start wondering "why even bother being just DPS, when I could have the option of being so much more for a mere 50g?"

    Some people have no interest in doing anything other than DPS. And a "mere 50g" is far removed from the actual cost of being a great tank and a great DPSer. My warrior's DPS gear is good. His tanking gear is shit. As a DPS warrior, I'll get tanking gear that has already gone to the real tanks. Meaning my Tanking gear will usually be a tier (or more likely 2) behind my DPS gear. I'm not going to, say, top meters on Brutallus, respec the next week, and tank Brutallus.

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    AldarezAldarez Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Halfmex wrote: »
    That said, I do appreciate that they're making tanking fun by boosting the damage output (kind of a "well, duh" in my mind). I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if things remain this way for a super long time, because the pure classes will start wondering "why even bother being just DPS, when I could have the option of being so much more for a mere 50g?"

    The thought had crossed my mind as well - If hybrids can do all of their roles as well (or near enough) as "pure" classes, why roll anything other than a hybrid? I still think there's more to consider than having options though. People will roll whatever class they are interested in/enjoy playing. I already have a resto shaman at 70 and I could just gear him up for elemental and play ranged dps, but I'm leveling my mage because I like my mage.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Some people have no interest in doing anything other than DPS. And a "mere 50g" is far removed from the actual cost of being a great tank and a great DPSer. My warrior's DPS gear is good. His tanking gear is shit. As a DPS warrior, I'll get tanking gear that has already gone to the real tanks. Meaning my Tanking gear will usually be a tier (or more likely 2) behind my DPS gear. I'm not going to, say, top meters on Brutallus, respec the next week, and tank Brutallus.
    And that's fine for those people, but you're talking about bleeding-edge progression guilds, where the "pure" classes 5% would be worth considering. I'm talking about the (for purposes of this discussion) T4/T5 only guilds where that 5% really wouldn't make that much of a difference.

    I'm just saying that, with four classes in this game that can only DPS, gear or not, spec or not, that's all they can do, it's a bit odd to see "well, my paladin/warrior can do comparable damage to that hunter/mage/whatever, let's bring him instead" rather than "we need at least a few pure DPS classes in here to increase our chances for success".

    On the one hand, yeah, it's easy to say "well that just opens up possibilities for progression", but on the other, you've got classes potentially sidelined because no matter what they do, they don't have the option of tossing out an emergency heal (lower-quality though it may be) or off-tanking.

    It's just a design flaw in the game, to me. Why not just make everyone a hybrid at this point - rogues could evasion tank like the Ninja class in FFXI, hunters could have viable tanking pets for raids, warlocks could use their demon form to tank and mages could tank using, hell I don't know, an improved version of Ice Armor or whatever. I'm spitballing, but you get the idea.

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    TheEmergedTheEmerged Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Well, the druid hit 70. With two 70's now, I can double up dailies. The bad news is, I'm finished with my Vacation Time Fiasco (having to burn vacation time due to a policy change at work) so I'm back to my usual 1-1.5 hours a day 5 days a week, plus 5 hours Sunday, plus a completely unpredictable amount (0 is a possibility) on Saturdays. It'll be interesting to see how much I can get each day just doing the easy/quick dailies twice a day.

    I'm on a good pace to get it for my druid (which is the priority due to predicted difficulty getting Swift Flight Form after WotLK hits), I wonder if maybe getting it for my main mage is in the cards? Only one way to find out.

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    HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Aldarez wrote: »
    but I'm leveling my mage because I like my mage.
    Yep, and that's why I'm sticking with my rogue, and thankfully my guild isn't so draconian about progression and optimal specs so people get rotated in to raids pretty frequently. So again, doesn't really matter as much to me, but I don't think we'll get away with not hearing a bunch of hate from the general forum masses about it.

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    GlyphGlyph Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Aldarez wrote: »
    I refuse to post in this thread until someone comes up with an interesting title.


    Shit.

    "When Fel Freezes Over"

    "Return of the Kings"

    "Runic Power Overwhelming"

    "80 is a Nice Round Number"

    "70 is the new 60"

    "Because 'The Frozen Throne' Was Already Taken"

    "Sylvanas Sluts It Up"

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    Aldarez wrote: »
    Halfmex wrote: »
    That said, I do appreciate that they're making tanking fun by boosting the damage output (kind of a "well, duh" in my mind). I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if things remain this way for a super long time, because the pure classes will start wondering "why even bother being just DPS, when I could have the option of being so much more for a mere 50g?"

    The thought had crossed my mind as well - If hybrids can do all of their roles as well (or near enough) as "pure" classes, why roll anything other than a hybrid?

    The clearest and most direct counterpoint to this is because a DPS class can spec to do DPS in three ways (that all use the same gear), whereas a Hybrid can spec to do it in one way (sometimes more than one, but requires completely different gear).

    A mage can go from fire to ice for giggles much easier than a paladin can go ret to prot or a shaman enhancement to elemental.

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