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The American Presidency: Nashville!

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edited October 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
You know the drill.
Elki wrote: »
Words you are unlikely to see me post in the next pages of this thread: "X is off-topic," because I'm just going to warn you here. This thread is a bitch to keep up with and mod when it's on-topic, and impossible when people use it as a dumping ground for any political news story. If it's not directly related to Obama v. McCain don't post it.

Think it's really important, and still want to post it?

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Politico wrote:
For the third weekend in a row, Barack Obama campaigned in North Carolina as part of the most vigorous Democratic effort since at least 1992 to win this reliably Republican state.

At a surprise stop Saturday night at a North Carolina Democratic Party dinner and again a rally here Sunday in the state’s conservative western edge, Obama sounded a confident note:

“Despite the pundits, despite the prognosticators, despite the cynicism,” Obama said at the dinner, “we are right here in the hunt in North Carolina. We can win at the top of the ballot in North Carolina. And we win at the bottom of the ballot in North Carolina. We can win in the eastern part of the state and in the western part. We can elect a new Democratic governor here in North Carolina and we can elect a new U.S. senator here in North Carolina.”

To the dismay of North Carolina Republicans, Obama may not be overstating matters.

Aides to John McCain consider North Carolina a must-win state and expressed optimism last week about their chances here, but there are signs of concern: Vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin this week will make the Republican ticket’s first visit to the state since June, and the first public appearance since a McCain speech at Wake Forest University during the primaries in May.

“They’re having to defend their turf—Republicans—in a way that they haven’t had to since 1992,” said Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Southern Politics, Media and Public Life at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “And so, even if Obama doesn’t win the electoral votes here, McCain can’t take the state for granted.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14304.html

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  • Vic_viperVic_viper Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kagera wrote:
    This wait is killing me, I feel like Cartman waiting for the release of the Wii. D:

    Well then clearly the answer is to freeze yourself.

    When you wake up in the future please call us back. That way if the unthinkable happens you Americans have time to change it.

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  • SoggychickenSoggychicken Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27054958/

    Sometime I wonder if Republicians see this guy in the same way we see O'Reilly.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    TDS wasn't sparkling tonight, but it was solid. I like that Colbert mentioned Palin took "Say it isn't so" from the 1919 Black Sox controversy.

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  • Joe ChemoJoe Chemo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27054958/

    Sometime I wonder if Republicians see this guy in the same way we see O'Reilly.

    That's how I see him, and I'm liberal.

    Except I don't feel ill after listening to him for a few seconds -- just dirty. Like I've been caught masturbating.

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  • Fatboy RobertsFatboy Roberts Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27054958/

    Sometime I wonder if Republicians see this guy in the same way we see O'Reilly.

    They are generally considered to be archenemies. Batman and Joker. Who is who depends on ideology. Or at least that's the appearance. I think that comparison rings about as true as saying "Both parties are exactly the same" but people tend to believe that Olbermann/O'Reilly are basically the same person doing the same thing, one for the right, the other for the left.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Joe Chemo wrote: »
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27054958/

    Sometime I wonder if Republicians see this guy in the same way we see O'Reilly.

    That's how I see him, and I'm liberal.

    Except I don't feel ill after listening to him for a few seconds -- just dirty. Like I've been caught masturbating.

    Like you've done something self-affirming and fun but utterly pointless otherwise?

    ...wow. That's actually really accurate. :D

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If I got caught masturbating I wouldn't be ashamed. What the fuck you walking in my room for without knocking, huh?

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I just heard something interesting/scary on npr today around lunch. They had a guy on saying that in the past, black candidates have had some sort of negative 8% effect that they had to break over what is essentially subconscious racism, which occurs during an election.

    Scary stuff if that happens this election.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well on TDS I had heard about how McCain was really a black guy and I didn't really believe it but now it all makes sense.

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    edited October 2008
    Barcardi wrote: »
    I just heard something interesting/scary on npr today around lunch. They had a guy on saying that in the past, black candidates have had some sort of negative 8% effect that they had to break over what is essentially subconscious racism, which occurs during an election.

    Scary stuff if that happens this election.

    Pretty sure thats no different than the Bradley effect, which has been proven to be inconsequential.

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  • Joe ChemoJoe Chemo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Barcardi wrote: »
    I just heard something interesting/scary on npr today around lunch. They had a guy on saying that in the past, black candidates have had some sort of negative 8% effect that they had to break over what is essentially subconscious racism, which occurs during an election.

    Scary stuff if that happens this election.

    You might be thinking of the Bradley Effect.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Because it scared me in the last thread, I'll let it scare you in this thread.

    Palin has gone from 'folksy go-getter' to 'Dictator with woman bits' in record time.
    Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

    I really really REALLY don't want to get Godwin's Law involved here, but the way she talks and the actions of her fanatical believers are starting to scare the shit out of me in ways that I thought history would keep us from repeating.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Because it scared me in the last thread, I'll let it scare you in this thread.

    Palin has gone from 'folksy go-getter' to 'Dictator with woman bits' in record time.
    Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

    I really really REALLY don't want to get Godwin's Law involved here, but the way she talks and the actions of her fanatical believers are starting to scare the shit out of me in ways that I thought history would keep us from repeating.
    It's just small town values at work.

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  • variantvariant Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Because it scared me in the last thread, I'll let it scare you in this thread.

    Palin has gone from 'folksy go-getter' to 'Dictator with woman bits' in record time.
    Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

    I really really REALLY don't want to get Godwin's Law involved here, but the way she talks and the actions of her fanatical believers are starting to scare the shit out of me in ways that I thought history would keep us from repeating.
    It's just small town values at work.

    Haha, exactly what I was thinking.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Clearwater is not a small town. It's a small city.

    And these sound less like rallies and more like lynch mobs.

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  • Venkman90Venkman90 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thats...thats shocking, is there footage of this? did people get it on camera? preferably with Palin visible in the background grinning while the lynch mob burn crosses.

    I mean I hate to go there but that is all I see with that women, a racist biggot who is clearly thinking "how can this be so hard...he's BLACK!"

    I know as some say there are no undecidedes really left in this election, you would have to be willfully ignorant not to have made your mind up, but really...could McFailin actually win? I mean really?

    D:

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Because it scared me in the last thread, I'll let it scare you in this thread.

    Palin has gone from 'folksy go-getter' to 'Dictator with woman bits' in record time.
    Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

    I really really REALLY don't want to get Godwin's Law involved here, but the way she talks and the actions of her fanatical believers are starting to scare the shit out of me in ways that I thought history would keep us from repeating.


    There is no way to prevent history from repeating itself other than education.

    As we have seen in this election, however, being educated is a cardinal sin.

    So... we are where we deserve to be.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, this campaigns going to get real interesting in this last month. McCain has officially entered "Clinton At The End Of The Primaries" territory. Flailing wildly like a dying leviathan, destroying everything around him.

    I'm getting the feeling his supporters (or rather, Obama's anti-supporters) are going to get REALLY nasty before this is over.


    But GODDAMN, the Schadenfreude when Obama wins? It will sustain me for decades.

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  • Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'll definitely listen to Hannity et all that week. It will be so satisfying that I probably wont need to eat.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, this campaigns going to get real interesting in this last month. McCain has officially entered "Clinton At The End Of The Primaries" territory. Flailing wildly like a dying leviathan, destroying everything around him.

    I'm getting the feeling his supporters (or rather, Obama's anti-supporters) are going to get REALLY nasty before this is over.


    But GODDAMN, the Schadenfreude when Obama wins? It will sustain me for decades.

    I know from reading up on previous elections that the odds this will surpass those to become THE most vile presidential campaign are slim.

    Seriously, if McCain can somehow manage to trump the Daisy ad I will be amazed and horrified simultaneously. I don't think anything short of an outright racist call to arms would manage it but oh lord it would be a thing to behold.

    This election is already something for the history books, and I don't pretend to know exactly what will happen in the next 28 days, but I get the feeling it's going to be something none of us have ever seen before.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So why is no one talking about the debate today?

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Because A) It hasn't happened yet, and B) The main story is that the republicans have taken off their gloves, and are now going to sling as much mud in Obama's face as possible.

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  • Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Its also 4:30 am central US time. There wouldnt be a lot of talking anyway.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Taramoor wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, this campaigns going to get real interesting in this last month. McCain has officially entered "Clinton At The End Of The Primaries" territory. Flailing wildly like a dying leviathan, destroying everything around him.

    I'm getting the feeling his supporters (or rather, Obama's anti-supporters) are going to get REALLY nasty before this is over.


    But GODDAMN, the Schadenfreude when Obama wins? It will sustain me for decades.

    I know from reading up on previous elections that the odds this will surpass those to become THE most vile presidential campaign are slim.

    Seriously, if McCain can somehow manage to trump the Daisy ad I will be amazed and horrified simultaneously. I don't think anything short of an outright racist call to arms would manage it but oh lord it would be a thing to behold.

    This election is already something for the history books, and I don't pretend to know exactly what will happen in the next 28 days, but I get the feeling it's going to be something none of us have ever seen before.

    That's funny, I get the feeling it's going to be eloquently constructed exposes of all the shit stains in the 72 year old diapers on one side, and catchier hisses that cause a lot more smoke at first glance from the other. To people with short attention spans who get drawn in by blatant bullshit like the soccer field talk, it sticks way harder when you show that Wright clip and bring up the terrorist professor. It's compact, it's catchy, you don't have to pay attention to figure out what exactly the message is.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited October 2008
    I don't think you can characterise Palin's comment as 'ridiculously ignorant'. 'Mind-shatteringly cynical', perhaps.

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  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Bogart wrote: »
    I don't think you can characterise Palin's comment as 'ridiculously ignorant'. 'Mind-shatteringly cynical', perhaps.

    No it's ridiculously ignorant. Unless you want to accuse everyone involved in the University of Illinois- Chicago Department of Education of palling with terrorists, being all buddy buddy with them drinking malteds down at pop tate's chocklit shoppe. Gosh darn, they oughtta be ashamed of themselves.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited October 2008
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    I don't think you can characterise Palin's comment as 'ridiculously ignorant'. 'Mind-shatteringly cynical', perhaps.

    She implied someone who was eight years old was consorting with a Terrorist.

    That's not "cynical" that's on pure "dumbfuck" levels.

    Not what I meant.

    It's obviously a comment that's been designed by election strategists to appeal to the stupider or more gullible elements of the pubbie base. It's designed to form a vague link between Obama and a turrist, but I sincerely doubt that Palin actually believes it holds much water. It's a cynical attempt to appeal to the ridiculously ignorant, but Palin isn't saying it because she thinks it's a valid accusation (which would make it an ignorant comment), but because it might serve her goals (which makes it a cynical ploy to gain votes among the retarded).

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's ridiculous. The implication that someone who has reached the level of presidential candidacy is consorting with terrorists is directly insulting not only to the entire governmental process, but also to the people who got him there. She might as well be saying that everyone who votes for Obama is a terrorist.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Cherrn wrote: »
    It's ridiculous. The implication that someone who has reached the level of presidential candidacy is consorting with terrorists is directly insulting not only to the entire governmental process, but also to the people who got him there. She might as well be saying that everyone who votes for Obama is a terrorist.

    That comes next week.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Cherrn wrote: »
    It's ridiculous. The implication that someone who has reached the level of presidential candidacy is consorting with terrorists is directly insulting not only to the entire governmental process, but also to the people who got him there. She might as well be saying that everyone who votes for Obama is a terrorist.

    That comes next week.

    She's already said that women who vote for Obama are going to hell.

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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Actually, one of the guys at my work wore a t-shirt that implied that. "100% of terrorists are Democrats" or something like that.

    In fact, for the past few weeks, he wears a republican themed shirt everyday.

    .........Yeah, I can't wait till this damned election is over so that I don't have to feel rage every day.

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  • Armored GorillaArmored Gorilla Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/7/53954/7252/961/622454
    Washington, DC — Call it the ultimate in grassroots activity, a viral email urging people to donate to Planned Parenthood “in honor of Sarah Palin” generated more than 31,313 donations totaling more than three-quarters of a million dollars ($802,678) as of today. With contributions from all 50 states, more than two-thirds of the individuals making a contribution “in honor of Sarah Palin” are first-time Planned Parenthood donors.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Woo, I donated $10 for that. =P

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I am sorry if this is not something intended to be posted here, but I couldn't find the SE++ politics thread, and I wanted someone to see this.

    Might be considered NSFW: http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/3/0/8308ccea0de3f1ac6b7712192c32443c.gif

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  • Grammaton ClericGrammaton Cleric Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm curious how close 538's mystical algorithms will come to the actual outcome of this election.

    This shit is getting ridiculous:

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    I just don't believe that things will shake out this well for Obama.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Aegeri wrote: »
    You know, is it just us or is Sarah Palins ridiculously ignorant comment about Obama being a terrorist generating tons of outrage over there? Surely nobody can be dumb enough to believe something so stupid? Surely.
    A lot of people are dumb enough to believe it. But they are all solidly Republican anyway, so it's no net loss for the Obama camp.

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