Words cannot express the horror. Geoff Hoon, when asked how far he would curtail civil liberties, replied:
"To stop terrorists killing people in our society, quite a long way actually."
Well the simple fact is this. I have a high end degree, experience and disposable income. Pretty much any nation on Earth would invite me to emigrate there, and with most of my family living in Canada abroad I can just up sticks the moment Britain becomes undesirable.
Its a case of if they keep fucking the frat house up, I'll go across the street and party there.
Cabinet minister Geoff Hoon says that not monitoring mobile and web data would give "a licence to terrorists to kill people".
What a fucking moron. The worst thing the terrorists did wasn't attacking us, it was giving our politicians the ability to attack us on a national and permanent basis.
That quote is utterly horrifying. Whats the saying?
'Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither'?
Whats worse is he then said:
The greatest civil liberty of all is to not be killed by a terrorist.
nah the no 10 petitions and several independent ones get cited in the print media and have significant political clout. while the government wont act directly as a result of one, no matter how many signatures it has, the use of this huge group of people whose opinions are clearly defined is a powerful weapon in the house and fleet street.
I've actually been thinking about becoming a terrorist. I was going to just spend an hour or so googling "How to become a terrorist", but this kind of legislation has made me have second thoughts.
I'm glad people are concerned about this, but I'm afraid you're far too late. The Goverment can already get pretty much any info it wants about your online activities from your ISP, this database would simply make it easier. And it's already pretty easy for them, they'd just rather not have to ask. Take solice in the fact that there is far too much information for anyone to sort through, so unless you're getting investigated for something outside of your internet life, your internet activities will never even be glanced at.
I'm more concerned about how this would be an utter waste of my tax money.
Well the simple fact is this. I have a high end degree, experience and disposable income. Pretty much any nation on Earth would invite me to emigrate there, and with most of my family living in Canada abroad I can just up sticks the moment Britain becomes undesirable.
Its a case of if they keep fucking the frat house up, I'll go across the street and party there.
I always used to joke to my friends that I'd do the same, but I'm giving it serious consideration. It's really quite sad that we've come to the point where we give strong thought to fleeing, isn't it?
Well the simple fact is this. I have a high end degree, experience and disposable income. Pretty much any nation on Earth would invite me to emigrate there, and with most of my family living in Canada abroad I can just up sticks the moment Britain becomes undesirable.
Its a case of if they keep fucking the frat house up, I'll go across the street and party there.
I always used to joke to my friends that I'd do the same, but I'm giving it serious consideration. It's really quite sad that we've come to the point where we give strong thought to fleeing, isn't it?
There's already a record number of national citizens leaving every year. It's pretty sad that its a scenario where you just have to deal with a shitty government and cant do anything about it and they can decide when to call an election. We could have had one by now I think.
...Exactly who can we vote for that won't shit on us equally, if not more? We have too many things labour locked us into, too much debt, and generally things are circling the drain, and none of the parties ever likely to get elected do anything other than mimic new labour.
Is it me or are Labour pushing us all into becoming terrorists?
Its an easy excuse to grant the government more power at the expense of the ordinaries. Problem is that regular people grew out of that terrorism excuse a long time ago, so its just passing laws while severely pissing off every citizen who pays hard earned money to be fucked over.
...Exactly who can we vote for that won't shit on us equally, if not more? We have too many things labour locked us into, too much debt, and generally things are circling the drain, and none of the parties ever likely to get elected do anything other than mimic new labour.
Is it sad that I'm sitting here in the United States and thinking... "Wow, your two-party system is pretty fucked up."?
I mean, no disrespect intended to Britain as a whole, but when your two-party system is worse than the one in the US there might be something wrong.
...Exactly who can we vote for that won't shit on us equally, if not more? We have too many things labour locked us into, too much debt, and generally things are circling the drain, and none of the parties ever likely to get elected do anything other than mimic new labour.
Is it sad that I'm sitting here in the United States and thinking... "Wow, your two-party system is pretty fucked up."?
I mean, no disrespect intended to Britain as a whole, but when your two-party system is worse than the one in the US there might be something wrong.
It's not though. I mean what i your basis for this claim?
...Exactly who can we vote for that won't shit on us equally, if not more? We have too many things labour locked us into, too much debt, and generally things are circling the drain, and none of the parties ever likely to get elected do anything other than mimic new labour.
Is it sad that I'm sitting here in the United States and thinking... "Wow, your two-party system is pretty fucked up."?
I mean, no disrespect intended to Britain as a whole, but when your two-party system is worse than the one in the US there might be something wrong.
You get to elect a representative rather than a party.
We elected one guy because he was kind of ok and got stuck with the rest of the fuckers that came with him, including his replacement. Its too easy a job to take advantage of, they're only in it for the money and pension that dwarfs that of nurses, firemen and policemen and takes only 10 years of doing fuck all to earn. There are some good ones but 10 bad ones for every one.
But that BBC article disgusts me on an intelectual level and realy makes me wonder more than a few things in regards to what the fuck I voted for (it's of note I did not vote for labour and my age only allowed me to begin voting in the last three years or so, so that might explain a few things) because I most certainly did not vote for these ass jockeys.
I'm rather ashamed to admit I voted Labour the year they came to power. Thing is, I remember growing up in a Conservative Britain and if anything it was worse than this. Different shit, but shit all the same. Thatcher would probably have loved the opportunity to have a camera in every persons bedroom but was only thwarted because the technology wasn't yet in place.
So now I'm stuck with a choice between SNP and Lib Dem. SNP has slightly more chance than Lib Dem and are predominantly similar in their policies except for the whole Scottish Independence thing which I'm entirely undecided about. Although if it's a choice between going it alone and V for Vendetta...well, Independence starts to look kind of tempting again as much hardship as we'd have to deal with as a result.
The thing is it didn't change. Usually we'd have labour that spends all the money, and conservative fixes it. this time we've got a labour gov that differs very little from conservative in many ways, and yet manages to lose all our money.
The thing is it didn't change. Usually we'd have labour that spends all the money, and conservative fixes it. this time we've got a labour gov that differs very little from conservative in many ways, and yet manages to lose all our money.
Eh. Things did change with Labour. I think they have made a bunch of improvements over the old Tory regime. The problem seems to be that they're a bunch of fascist cunts who think their remit is to rule rather than govern. Their mantra of giving up civil liberties in exchange for 'safety' seems to have been a recurrent theme since they came to office. But they're taking away our liberties in exchange for 'safety' from things that we never asked to be protected from.
I've not agreed with you over a few issues in the past, but this really irks me. That seems way out of line. I'll try and get a rational and coherent response together and write a complaint tonight.
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Exactly darleysam, before when we've argued about stuff like this there was a line to be argued and you had a strong point. Even I thought that maybe I am over reaching on it.
Aw come on you two are giving up before you've given a chance to make that old magic happen!
This is a fairly scary thing, and I hope it gets voted down, as it could (and will) set a precedent for western nations as well if it goes through.
Bad enough you guys have a billion CCTV's watching your every move already.
I used to hate them, but I honestly do believe Lib Dem could be the way forward next election.
Of the 3, they probably cant be the worst. But Brown is running the economy into the ground so that whoever takes over won't have a chance of succeeding.
I used to hate them, but I honestly do believe Lib Dem could be the way forward next election.
Of the 3, they probably cant be the worst. But Brown is running the economy into the ground so that whoever takes over won't have a chance of succeeding.
Success is probably out of the question for anyone, fucking up the least is what we're aiming for.
I used to hate them, but I honestly do believe Lib Dem could be the way forward next election.
Of the 3, they probably cant be the worst. But Brown is running the economy into the ground so that whoever takes over won't have a chance of succeeding.
Success is probably out of the question for anyone, fucking up the least is what we're aiming for.
Realising they're there to run the country and not rule its citizens would be a good start.
I used to hate them, but I honestly do believe Lib Dem could be the way forward next election.
Of the 3, they probably cant be the worst. But Brown is running the economy into the ground so that whoever takes over won't have a chance of succeeding.
Success is probably out of the question for anyone, fucking up the least is what we're aiming for.
Isn't that a great situation for a country to be in.
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That said, there isn't that much about our actual political SYSTEM I'd change. I really quite like it, and I think in theory and on paper it works better than the US equivalent. It just needs to be modernized in a few small areas, and I think elections should be carried out in a similar way to the US - more public posting of polls throughout, a longer campaign trail and debates - other than that, I honestly think it's ok.
The problem we have right now is the average age of MPs and people in the house. Hopefully in future years we'll see a shift and see a lot more younger politicial figures. Most of them still think it's 1856, and those who don't and are more radical always do something stupid and get ripped apart by the tabloids.
I used to hate them, but I honestly do believe Lib Dem could be the way forward next election.
Of the 3, they probably cant be the worst. But Brown is running the economy into the ground so that whoever takes over won't have a chance of succeeding.
Success is probably out of the question for anyone, fucking up the least is what we're aiming for.
Isn't that a great situation for a country to be in.
As is often the case, Charlie Brooker sums up my opinions on this matter pretty well.
The way things are going, I half-expect to hear a quiet electric "peep" noise each time I flush the toilet; another bowel movement logged by Bumland Security.
But I don't get angry. I shrug. They won. They won years ago. Like a bear in a zoo, I can rub my head against the wall in despair, or ignore the onlookers and forlornly shuffle around as normal. Past that balcony window. Where each time they get an eyeful, an electric peep sounds somewhere in the dark.
Yeah. Never mind a boot stamping on a human face forever. A smug electric peep each time they catch sight of your bumhole. That's your future, right there.
Thank you for your email, and for your supportive words on this. Following the controversy surrounding 42 day detention and the government’s determination to ensure that we are all forced to carry ID cards, they do not seem to accept that we do not want any further invasion of our civil liberties.
The government's Orwellian plans for a vast database of our private communications are deeply worrying. The government have repeatedly shown it could not be trusted with sensitive data, and so there is little reason to think ministers will be any more careful with our phone and internet records. They are claiming the database will only be used in terrorist cases, but there is now a long list of cases, from the arrest of Walter Wolfgang for heckling at a Labour conference to the freezing of Icelandic assets, where anti-terrorism law has been used for purposes for which it was not intended. Our experience of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act suggests these powers will soon be used to spy on people's children, pets and bins.
Please be assured that I will be monitoring any further legislation in this area and will most certainly be opposing any further intrusions into our private lives. In the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further assistance in relation to this or any other matter.
Yours sincerely,
Jo Swinson MP
You know, I had totaly forgotten thier nonsence with sensitive data.....
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Well the simple fact is this. I have a high end degree, experience and disposable income. Pretty much any nation on Earth would invite me to emigrate there, and with most of my family living in Canada abroad I can just up sticks the moment Britain becomes undesirable.
Its a case of if they keep fucking the frat house up, I'll go across the street and party there.
Whats worse is he then said:
2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
SIGN THE PETITION
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/no-to-1984/
2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
Don't they always ignore that petition site though? I thought it's pretty much just there so that they can claim they listen to people.
I'm more concerned about how this would be an utter waste of my tax money.
I always used to joke to my friends that I'd do the same, but I'm giving it serious consideration. It's really quite sad that we've come to the point where we give strong thought to fleeing, isn't it?
There's already a record number of national citizens leaving every year. It's pretty sad that its a scenario where you just have to deal with a shitty government and cant do anything about it and they can decide when to call an election. We could have had one by now I think.
Its an easy excuse to grant the government more power at the expense of the ordinaries. Problem is that regular people grew out of that terrorism excuse a long time ago, so its just passing laws while severely pissing off every citizen who pays hard earned money to be fucked over.
We need a new UK politics thread.
Is it sad that I'm sitting here in the United States and thinking... "Wow, your two-party system is pretty fucked up."?
I mean, no disrespect intended to Britain as a whole, but when your two-party system is worse than the one in the US there might be something wrong.
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It's not though. I mean what i your basis for this claim?
You get to elect a representative rather than a party.
We elected one guy because he was kind of ok and got stuck with the rest of the fuckers that came with him, including his replacement. Its too easy a job to take advantage of, they're only in it for the money and pension that dwarfs that of nurses, firemen and policemen and takes only 10 years of doing fuck all to earn. There are some good ones but 10 bad ones for every one.
But that BBC article disgusts me on an intelectual level and realy makes me wonder more than a few things in regards to what the fuck I voted for (it's of note I did not vote for labour and my age only allowed me to begin voting in the last three years or so, so that might explain a few things) because I most certainly did not vote for these ass jockeys.
So now I'm stuck with a choice between SNP and Lib Dem. SNP has slightly more chance than Lib Dem and are predominantly similar in their policies except for the whole Scottish Independence thing which I'm entirely undecided about. Although if it's a choice between going it alone and V for Vendetta...well, Independence starts to look kind of tempting again as much hardship as we'd have to deal with as a result.
Eh. Things did change with Labour. I think they have made a bunch of improvements over the old Tory regime. The problem seems to be that they're a bunch of fascist cunts who think their remit is to rule rather than govern. Their mantra of giving up civil liberties in exchange for 'safety' seems to have been a recurrent theme since they came to office. But they're taking away our liberties in exchange for 'safety' from things that we never asked to be protected from.
Aw come on you two are giving up before you've given a chance to make that old magic happen!
This is a fairly scary thing, and I hope it gets voted down, as it could (and will) set a precedent for western nations as well if it goes through.
Bad enough you guys have a billion CCTV's watching your every move already.
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Of the 3, they probably cant be the worst. But Brown is running the economy into the ground so that whoever takes over won't have a chance of succeeding.
Realising they're there to run the country and not rule its citizens would be a good start.
Isn't that a great situation for a country to be in.
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The problem we have right now is the average age of MPs and people in the house. Hopefully in future years we'll see a shift and see a lot more younger politicial figures. Most of them still think it's 1856, and those who don't and are more radical always do something stupid and get ripped apart by the tabloids.
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Things can only get better!
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So is this where we sign up for the "Foster a UK PAer" program?
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Secret Santa just got a whole lot more interesting.
A plane ticket and a fake passport! How did you know?
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Can someone in Texas pick me? I have a friend in Texas.
You know, I had totaly forgotten thier nonsence with sensitive data.....
...Aaaand that was it. Not that I was expecting much.