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ROUND THREE: FIGHT D: PRE-FIGHT DEBATE

Son of BeyonderSon of Beyonder From BeyondBeyondRegistered User regular
edited November 2006 in Graphic Violence
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WONDER WOMAN – Amazon warrior

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Flight, super-strength, super-speed, highly developed fighting skills, enhanced hearing, enhanced vision, animal empathy, regeneration, sisterhood with fire, high resistance to magic

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ROGUE – Leader of a team of X-Men

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Involuntary absorption of powers and memories through skin-to-skin contact, plasma blasts, flight, ability to view infra-red, immunity to radiation

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CAPTAIN AMERICA – Leader of the Secret Avengers.

POWERS AND ABILITIES: Artificially enhanced physiology at the maximum human level; martial arts and hand-to-hand combat training; master tactician and field commander; has an indestructible shield

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SHADE – Possibly immortal

POWERS AND ABILITIES: umbrakinesis (ability to control darkness) - ability to travel great distances in short amounts of time, and create constructs out of shadows

In all third round battles, heroes may choose to prepare only at their own facilities, or at the facilities of their supergroup. Heroes may match video of two of their three opponents. Heroes have TWENTY MINUTES outside of video time to prepare for battle. If a character opts out of the video, he still only has twenty minutes to prepare. Heroes come equipped with their standard equipment, and may equip one special item, provided that item is not a dues ex machina. Weaknesses that are not publicly known to the hero’s home universe/world will not be made available to the heroes during prep time. Heroes who already know of these weaknesses for whatever reason are not caused to forget this information. Heroes may also consult with an advisor for thirty minutes, rules on that may be found in the recap thread.

VOTING WILL TAKE PLACE IN A SEPARATE THREAD. RULES FOR VOTING WILL BE POSTED UPON THAT THREAD’S OPENING. THE VOTING THREAD WILL OPEN AT ELEVEN O’CLOCK CENTRAL TIME TOMORROW.

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A: Prehistoric Earth ocean: Contains five islands, and various prehistoric aquatic life
B: Metropolis: A portion of the city containing the Daily Planet building and Lexcorp HQ
C: Crystal palace: Massive alien dwelling, similar to the movie version of Krypton
D: Desert: contains sand, some cacti
E: Hilly plains: grass, one small creek, herd of bison

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Man, Cap is fucked.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Man, Cap is fucked.

    BUT HE HAS TACTICS

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Rogue is going to steal all sorts of powers.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    I think I'm voting Wonder Woman and then Rogue.

    Partially because I want Rogue to fight Martian Manhunter.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?

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  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    INDOMITABLE WILL
    Edit: No, he's pretty much just screwed, poor Cap, even I can't really conceive of a way for him to win, and I love the guy.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Definitely WW and Shade. Absortion of powers doesn't really help when all your ribs and jaw are broken, and Cap simply isn't at the same level.

    Of course, I don't think Rogue should have advanced to this round anyways.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    Stealin' powers.

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  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    Stealin' powers.
    Who's powers? Does what WW have technically count as stealable powers?

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Okay then, how does one defeat Shade? I'm assuming it's been done before, since he did spend some time as a villain, and villains as a rule don't win.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    Stealin' powers.
    Who's powers? Does what WW have technically count as stealable powers?
    Yes.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    Stealin' powers.

    Cap technically has no powers or something, Shade wouldn't really let Rogue touch him, and Stealing powers isn't helpful when your bones are shattered/ you are tied up with magic rope.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    Stealin' powers.
    How would she touch him if she can't find him?

    Even if she did still his powers, it'd be terrible for everyone. Several people died in a demonic massacre during the process that led to the powers being transferred into Shade's body, and I don't see why a similar event wouldn't occur with Rogue taking the powers away considering these are dark, supernatural forces. At the very least it would overwhelm her mind.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Rogue drains life energy. It doesn't matter if you're a mutant or not. If you're a mutant, she gets the bonus of your powerses.

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  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    But Shade can extend his Shadows across a wide area of the battlefield, hide within, and then tear people apart with his powers. Even if they do find Shade, he's especially resilient and can teleport.

    Rogue isn't invulnerable and neither is Cap, so how are they going to move on?
    Stealin' powers.
    Who's powers? Does what WW have technically count as stealable powers?
    Yes.
    In that case, game on! One punch is all it'll take.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Rogue drains life energy. It doesn't matter if you're a mutant or not. If you're a mutant, she gets the bonus of your powerses.
    She gets powers from nonmutants as well.

    See: Ms. Marvel.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    Okay then, how does one defeat Shade? I'm assuming it's been done before, since he did spend some time as a villain, and villains as a rule don't win.
    Most of his time as a villain has been retconned as him just fucking around for the fun of it and letting people win (or being under the influence of an evil midget).

    With enough damage, though, he can be incapacitated though presumably not killed. He was messed up pretty badly by a poison from a girl he trusted.

    I'm sure there're other examples.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Rogue drains life energy. It doesn't matter if you're a mutant or not. If you're a mutant, she gets the bonus of your powerses.

    Yes, but Cap technically has no powers

    Also, she won't really be able to touch the other two before defeat.

    Also, Rogue wouldn't get Cap's skill and experience, only his raw strength and maybe a little bit of his memories.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    I'm gonna go underdogs with Cap and Rogue, rogue taking out Wonder Woman via drainage and Cap taking out Shade with a shield to the back of the head.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Rogue drains life energy. It doesn't matter if you're a mutant or not. If you're a mutant, she gets the bonus of your powerses.

    Yes, but Cap technically has no powers

    Also, she won't really be able to touch the other two before defeat.

    Also, Rogue wouldn't get Cap's skill and experience, only his raw strength and maybe a little bit of his memories.

    Personality, abilities, memories.


    She'd become a true blue American.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Fencingsax wrote:
    Rogue drains life energy. It doesn't matter if you're a mutant or not. If you're a mutant, she gets the bonus of your powerses.

    Yes, but Cap technically has no powers

    Also, she won't really be able to touch the other two before defeat.

    Also, Rogue wouldn't get Cap's skill and experience, only his raw strength and maybe a little bit of his memories.
    No actually she would get his skill and experience.

    Part of what she does is take memories.

    Also as Wonder Woman hits her in the face, she steals some of Wonder Woman's invulnerability, and as such doesn't die from the punch.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I'm gonna go underdogs with Cap and Rogue, rogue taking out Wonder Woman via drainage and Cap taking out Shade with a shield to the back of the head.

    Damn Wonder Woman and all her exposed skin!

    A shield to the back of the head to take out Shade isn't really enough, though.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2006
    And it would kinda be out of character for WW to try and kill someone.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Shade and either Wonderwoman or Rogue. Cap is last unfortunately, not enough to actually do anything to anyone here despite his tactics.

    We need Shade to advance people. Someone has to be around to take out Superman and Marvel.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Whatever. I just don't think Rogue has the experience to take out either WW or Cap. And I don't think she can get to Shade. Her plasma bolts may do something, but then his darkness powers will fuck her up.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    Man, is it so wrong to want Superman to win? I get the feeling he never wins these things because everyone thinks he always wins these things.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    He never wins these things because usually the people voting like Batman a whole lot.

    Though I think there was an inter-company Battle Royale in an old issue of Wizard that ran a series of 1 on 1 fights and, based on reader votes, ended with Thor winning.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    Man, is it so wrong to want Superman to win? I get the feeling he never wins these things because everyone thinks he always wins these things.
    Well Marvel would fuck him up after a nice grueling fight anyways. Magic and all. Plus slightly faster.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Geebs wrote:
    Man, is it so wrong to want Superman to win? I get the feeling he never wins these things because everyone thinks he always wins these things.
    Well Marvel would fuck him up after a nice grueling fight anyways. Magic and all. Plus slightly faster.
    See, I'd have thought Marvel could beat Superman based on the magic thing. If Superman is as vulnerable to magic as anyone else, though, then why don't Marvel's punches and his lightning outright kill Superman? The only explanation is that, despite being powered by magic, Marvel's attacks are merely mundane attacks boosted to superhuman levels through magical means. So then it's basically a question of raw strength, and Superman's vulnerabilities don't even factor in.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited November 2006
    And I don't think "slightly faster" is really a huge advantage.

    Not to mention the fact that it's not exactly something that has much to back it up.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    Yeah, I'm sure Superman's enhanced senses will compensate for a discrepancy in super-speed.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    Geebs wrote:
    Man, is it so wrong to want Superman to win? I get the feeling he never wins these things because everyone thinks he always wins these things.
    Well Marvel would fuck him up after a nice grueling fight anyways. Magic and all. Plus slightly faster.
    See, I'd have thought Marvel could beat Superman based on the magic thing. If Superman is as vulnerable to magic as anyone else, though, then why don't Marvel's punches and his lightning outright kill Superman? The only explanation is that, despite being powered by magic, Marvel's attacks are merely mundane attacks boosted to superhuman levels through magical means. So then it's basically a question of raw strength, and Superman's vulnerabilities don't even factor in.

    I think the punches are just super-strength punches from magic not magic punches. The lightning, I think, is actual magic, which is why he got so hurt from just a couple shots of it in Kindom come.


    Geebs: Not a huge advantage, which is why the fight would be a long one.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    Geebs wrote:
    Man, is it so wrong to want Superman to win? I get the feeling he never wins these things because everyone thinks he always wins these things.
    Well Marvel would fuck him up after a nice grueling fight anyways. Magic and all. Plus slightly faster.
    See, I'd have thought Marvel could beat Superman based on the magic thing. If Superman is as vulnerable to magic as anyone else, though, then why don't Marvel's punches and his lightning outright kill Superman? The only explanation is that, despite being powered by magic, Marvel's attacks are merely mundane attacks boosted to superhuman levels through magical means. So then it's basically a question of raw strength, and Superman's vulnerabilities don't even factor in.

    I think the punches are just super-strength punches from magic not magic punches. The lightning, I think, is actual magic, which is why he got so hurt from just a couple shots of it in Kindom come.


    Geebs: Not a huge advantage, which is why the fight would be a long one.

    Like I said, though, wouldn't magical lightning have killed him? It really seemed like normal lightning boosted to insane levels. Wonder Woman's sword cut him like a normal sword cuts normal people, so magical lightning should've fried him like normal lightning fries normal people.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    One point of concern with Wonder Woman and Rogue: Wonder Woman gets her powers from the Gods. How has Rogue fared with godlike dudes like Thor and Ares? I mean, if she pats Thor on his exposed buttocks, can she shoot lightnin' and wield Mjolnir?

    But, yeah. Debate. Wonder Woman knocks all three competitors out with a well-timed tiara ricochet toss. Old school win.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    Geebs wrote:
    Man, is it so wrong to want Superman to win? I get the feeling he never wins these things because everyone thinks he always wins these things.
    Well Marvel would fuck him up after a nice grueling fight anyways. Magic and all. Plus slightly faster.
    See, I'd have thought Marvel could beat Superman based on the magic thing. If Superman is as vulnerable to magic as anyone else, though, then why don't Marvel's punches and his lightning outright kill Superman? The only explanation is that, despite being powered by magic, Marvel's attacks are merely mundane attacks boosted to superhuman levels through magical means. So then it's basically a question of raw strength, and Superman's vulnerabilities don't even factor in.

    I think the punches are just super-strength punches from magic not magic punches. The lightning, I think, is actual magic, which is why he got so hurt from just a couple shots of it in Kindom come.


    Geebs: Not a huge advantage, which is why the fight would be a long one.

    Like I said, though, wouldn't magical lightning have killed him? It really seemed like normal lightning boosted to insane levels. Wonder Woman's sword cut him like a normal sword cuts normal people, so magical lightning should've fried him like normal lightning fries normal people.
    Well...I think it might have. He went down right away. But he also recovers really fast after being hurt, so he came back from the damage really quick. A person is not guarenteed to be killed by a lightning bolt, many survive in fact.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    If Superman is as vulnerable to magic as anyone else, though, then why don't Marvel's punches and his lightning outright kill Superman?

    I don't know. They hurt him, but they don't kill him. Even with his weakness to magic, Superman's physiology has always made him EXTREMELY resilient to physical attacks.

    Anyway, the Superman and Captain Marvel fight will play out like it always does in the comics:

    A. Captain Marvel smacks Supes around for bit.
    B. Captain Marvel gets bored and starts doing the "Shazam!" lightning thing.
    C. Supes uses the last of his strength to cover Billy's mouth in-between shazams.
    D. Supes bops Billy on the head and knocks him out.
    E. Supes touches Billy in a no-no place.

    I'm not so sure about that last part.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    I don't know. They hurt him, but they don't kill him. Even with his weakness to magic, Superman's physiology has always made him EXTREMELY resilient to physical attacks.

    Then why does a simple prick from a magical sword pierce his skin? That doesn't really point to resilience.

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  • NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited November 2006
    How did this turn into a Superman vs Marvel debate?

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    I don't know. They hurt him, but they don't kill him. Even with his weakness to magic, Superman's physiology has always made him EXTREMELY resilient to physical attacks.

    Then why does a simple prick from a magical sword pierce his skin? That doesn't really point to resilience.

    Penis envy? I dunno.

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  • Kane Red RobeKane Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    edited November 2006
    How did this turn into a Superman vs Marvel debate?
    For serious, leave that stuff for later guys.

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