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So as not to continue to clutter the H/A thread or chat about it. The conventional wisdom when dating someones former partner is you have to ask that person for their permission. I don't understand where this comes. It sounds like macho animal male behavior bullshit. Like you have marked the female and anyt other male needs to check with you first.
So thoughts D&D?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Seriously though I agree with the why should I give a damn if two people are happy logic.
That's my thought, and if I hang out with cool guys, shouldn't I be happy she's dating a cool guy? I mean if you can't make her happy at least someone you know could?
Preacher on
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
There's no harm in asking, and I would say that the "necessity" of asking increases with both the closeness of your relationship to your friend and the closeness of his relationship to his ex prior to the breakup.
Shouldn't really be thought of as asking permission, though. Just gathering information before making a decision.
As I stated in the other thread, I think it's a pretty huge sign of disrespect if you don't make sure it's cool with your friend first. If there are still feelings or whatever lingering then it's not worth hurting someone that you're close with just so you have a chance at getting in a girl's pants.
As I stated in the other thread, I think it's a pretty huge sign of disrespect if you don't make sure it's cool with your friend first. If there are still feelings or whatever lingering then it's not worth hurting someone that you're close with just so you have a chance at getting in a girl's pants.
Isn't it a pretty huge sign of disrespect for the woman as well?
Possessive behavior of that sort is childish and unethical.
Incenjucar knows the score! But there is a line.
Like for example let's say this break up causes your friend to I don't know attempt suicide 3 times and sell all of their possessions. Then it could be a good idea to maybe not go after that ex.
I don't think you have to ask permission, that's all sorts of wrong. But it would be the classy thing to do to give your friend a heads up about the situation.
As I stated in the other thread, I think it's a pretty huge sign of disrespect if you don't make sure it's cool with your friend first. If there are still feelings or whatever lingering then it's not worth hurting someone that you're close with just so you have a chance at getting in a girl's pants.
How is it disrespect? She's your ex for a reason. Your relationship is over. Hell if anything her dating a friend would help drive that point home would it not?
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Like for example let's say this break up causes your friend to I don't know attempt suicide 3 times and sell all of their possessions. Then it could be a good idea to maybe not go after that ex.
Then you are friends with someone who should be seeing a therapist instead of your new boy/girl/otherfriend.
I don't think it's entirely unreasonable either. It may be irrational, but when relationships (former or otherwise) and emotions are involved, people are often less than logical about how they deal with things.
There's no need to make a formal notice of dating/doing, nor should you seek their blessing and a list of all their favourite quirks in bed, but checking in with a friend seems like the right thing to do.
The above hinges, of course, on having both people as friends and wishing to retain their friendship. If you are merely an acquaintance of the other party (particularly through the "ex" in the first place) it becomes much less important, in my eyes.
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Ever worked a job where you had to ask permission to take a piss? That's equally as stupid as asking permission to date a friend's ex. Heads up is fine.
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So as not to continue to clutter the H/A thread or chat about it. The conventional wisdom when dating someones former partner is you have to ask that person for their permission. I don't understand where this comes. It sounds like macho animal male behavior bullshit. Like you have marked the female and anyt other male needs to check with you first.
So thoughts D&D?
How do you get "conventional wisdom" from the chat thread where every goddamn person except one fucking nutcase said the opposite?
Doing things that make your friends sad or uncomfortable are generally frowned upon. Dating a friend's ex may fall in this category, and it's common courtesy to see if he would have a problem with it.
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I wouldn't say that you need to ask permission, but make sure your friend finds out from you. Also, it depends on the friend. If it's a friend you've known forever and is like your brother/sister type thing, then I wouldn't. But just a guy you met at a bar and are now friends with, etc, is okay. just make sure you let him know.
I thought conventional wisdom was just don't do it.
Really though I don't know if permission is what you really have to check for, more so how cool with the guy it is that you are doing it. Breaking up can have a significant effect on the people involved and now you are placing yourself somewhere in between that. If they dated for like a week in 7th grade and now you're 25, no big deal, but if they had been dating for a few years and broke up in the last few months it's a different situation.
Like for example let's say this break up causes your friend to I don't know attempt suicide 3 times and sell all of their possessions. Then it could be a good idea to maybe not go after that ex.
Then you are friends with someone who should be seeing a therapist instead of your new boy/girl/otherfriend.
That's what i'm saying. It'd probably be a bad idea in that case. It's an extreme case but people have done stranger things over break ups.
Yeah, the relationship is over, I got that, but you've never had feelings of any type for someone you're no longer dating? What if it was a messy break-up? What if it was recent? I just don't see the harm in simply checking with your friend if it's the type of situation that's not a big deal.
That's what i'm saying. It'd probably be a bad idea in that case. It's an extreme case but people have done stranger things over break ups.
Perhaps, but again, I would focus more on the "Get your friend some goddamn help" thing. Dating their ex isn't the unethical part, NOT GETTING THEM HELP is the unethical part.
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Kyle: I say what I say as an overemotional person who once cried daily for ~365 days over someone. Hell I would break into tears as we chatted online about her latest dicking. Some shit you just have to deal with without subjecting everyone around you to restrictions.
Doing things that make your friends sad or uncomfortable are generally frowned upon. Dating a friend's ex may fall in this category, and it's common courtesy to see if he would have a problem with it.
That's what I was thinking. Especially if the relationship was a long one.
Yeah, the relationship is over, I got that, but you've never had feelings of any type for someone you're no longer dating? What if it was a messy break-up? What if it was recent? I just don't see the harm in simply checking with your friend if it's the type of situation that's not a big deal.
That's not what you said. You said it would be disrespectful NOT to do so. Implying that every person dating a friend's ex SHOULD do so.
Again, how is it not disrespectful to the woman to predicate whether your relationship goes forward or not on the opinion of a person she is no longer involved with romantically?
That's what i'm saying. It'd probably be a bad idea in that case. It's an extreme case but people have done stranger things over break ups.
Perhaps, but again, I would focus more on the "Get your friend some goddamn help" thing. Dating their ex isn't the unethical part, NOT GETTING THEM HELP is the unethical part.
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Kyle: I say what I say as an overemotional person who once cried daily for ~365 days over someone. Hell I would break into tears as we chatted online about her latest dicking. Some shit you just have to deal with without subjecting everyone around you to restrictions.
I'm not saying the person wouldn't need help but you know if they were in the process of getting help and overcoming whatever weird hang ups were there. It might be a favorable thing not to remind them of that sort of stuff.
Again, how is it not disrespectful to the woman to predicate whether your relationship goes forward or not on the opinion of a person she is no longer involved with romantically?
Not sure why we are assuming that only dudes need permission from their friends to date girls rather than girls asking permission from their friends or dudes asking permission to date other dudes and what have you.
I have a female friend who is having one if her friends absolutely freak out on her because one of her exes friended her on facebook or something stupid like that.
I guess what I'm saying is it isn't really a gender issue.
Again, how is it not disrespectful to the woman to predicate whether your relationship goes forward or not on the opinion of a person she is no longer involved with romantically?
Not sure why we are assuming that only dudes need permission from their friends to date girls rather than girls asking permission from their friends or dudes asking permission to date other dudes and what have you.
I have a female friend who is having one if her friends absolutely freak out on her because one of her exes friended her on facebook or something stupid like that.
I guess what I'm saying is it isn't really a gender issue.
Yeah I was going off the OP example. It would go both ways of course.
Asking for permission I don't agree with, but I have no problem informing your friend that you're going to be dating her. You'd tell your friend you were dating another girl why not that you'd be dating her.
Honestly, I'm not sure that people who would feel the need to be asked permission deserve friendships. I mean it's basically a big "I am a gigantic ass" sign.
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Doing things that make your friends sad or uncomfortable are generally frowned upon. Dating a friend's ex may fall in this category, and it's common courtesy to see if he would have a problem with it.
That's what I was thinking. Especially if the relationship was a long one.
Ditto.
It's not carved in stone, but if this girl dated a friend, especially a close friend, I wouldn't think about dating her without seeing how he felt about it first. It has nothing to do with posessiveness and everything to do with friendship and courtesy.
Asking for permission I don't agree with, but I have no problem informing your friend that you're going to be dating her. You'd tell your friend you were dating another girl why not that you'd be dating her.
Sure, the question is is it required or is it disrespectful NOT to inform them.
This isn't about "owning" a woman or whatever it is you're trying to make it about, it's about not trying to hurt someone that is already close to you. If it's not a big deal and it was just some person your friend went out with for a month or two I doubt they'd care, but if your best friend dated a girl for several years and was extremely close to her, there are bound to be hurt feelings in there somewhere and I just don't see any harm in at least checking with your pal to see where things stand before making a move.
Asking for permission I don't agree with, but I have no problem informing your friend that you're going to be dating her. You'd tell your friend you were dating another girl why not that you'd be dating her.
Sure, the question is is it required or is it disrespectful NOT to inform them.
It's not required, but I would do it in order to not look like an ass to my friends or myself.
This isn't about "owning" a woman or whatever it is you're trying to make it about, it's about not trying to hurt someone that is already close to you. If it's not a big deal and it was just some person your friend went out with for a month or two I doubt they'd care, but if your best friend dated a girl for several years and was extremely close to her, there are bound to be hurt feelings in there somewhere and I just don't see any harm in at least checking with your pal to see where things stand before making a move.
So are you going to defend your statement that it is disrespectful not to ask a friend if you should make a move?
No one is arguing that talking to the friend about it would be harmful to the friendship. But you are saying it's a required part of the friendship, no?
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
Again, how is it not disrespectful to the woman to predicate whether your relationship goes forward or not on the opinion of a person she is no longer involved with romantically?
Because unless you and said woman had a friendship as strong as you and the ex (friend), not dating her harms nothing, whereas dating her could potentially cause a rift between you and the friend.
If you are friends with someone wouldn't you approve of their general demeanor? Wouldn't them dating your ex that you care enough about to be upset over be the best thing because at least you know your ex will be treated to the company of someone worthy of being your friend?
I've got to say a friend of mine started dating his roommates ex. It did not go well. It's not somuch asking permission, as to making sure that your not going to alter the existing relationship with your friend. If your ok with altering it then fine don't say anything, but presumably you value friendships, if you do is it so bad to simply say hey I want to date your ex what will that do to our friendship?
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"Give a man a fire, he's warm for the night. Set a man on fire he's warm for the rest of his life."
-Terry Pratchett
Asking for permission I don't agree with, but I have no problem informing your friend that you're going to be dating her. You'd tell your friend you were dating another girl why not that you'd be dating her.
Sure, the question is is it required or is it disrespectful NOT to inform them.
I'd rather tell them, then have them find out from someone else, but that's personal opinion and not a requirement.
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Seriously though I agree with the why should I give a damn if two people are happy logic.
That's my thought, and if I hang out with cool guys, shouldn't I be happy she's dating a cool guy? I mean if you can't make her happy at least someone you know could?
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Shouldn't really be thought of as asking permission, though. Just gathering information before making a decision.
Isn't it a pretty huge sign of disrespect for the woman as well?
Incenjucar knows the score! But there is a line.
Like for example let's say this break up causes your friend to I don't know attempt suicide 3 times and sell all of their possessions. Then it could be a good idea to maybe not go after that ex.
How is it disrespect? She's your ex for a reason. Your relationship is over. Hell if anything her dating a friend would help drive that point home would it not?
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Then you are friends with someone who should be seeing a therapist instead of your new boy/girl/otherfriend.
There's no need to make a formal notice of dating/doing, nor should you seek their blessing and a list of all their favourite quirks in bed, but checking in with a friend seems like the right thing to do.
The above hinges, of course, on having both people as friends and wishing to retain their friendship. If you are merely an acquaintance of the other party (particularly through the "ex" in the first place) it becomes much less important, in my eyes.
How do you get "conventional wisdom" from the chat thread where every goddamn person except one fucking nutcase said the opposite?
then they'll think of Deus Ex.
Then they'll reinstall it while you bang their exgirlfriend. Everyone wins!
Really though I don't know if permission is what you really have to check for, more so how cool with the guy it is that you are doing it. Breaking up can have a significant effect on the people involved and now you are placing yourself somewhere in between that. If they dated for like a week in 7th grade and now you're 25, no big deal, but if they had been dating for a few years and broke up in the last few months it's a different situation.
That's what i'm saying. It'd probably be a bad idea in that case. It's an extreme case but people have done stranger things over break ups.
Perhaps, but again, I would focus more on the "Get your friend some goddamn help" thing. Dating their ex isn't the unethical part, NOT GETTING THEM HELP is the unethical part.
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Kyle: I say what I say as an overemotional person who once cried daily for ~365 days over someone. Hell I would break into tears as we chatted online about her latest dicking. Some shit you just have to deal with without subjecting everyone around you to restrictions.
That's what I was thinking. Especially if the relationship was a long one.
That's not what you said. You said it would be disrespectful NOT to do so. Implying that every person dating a friend's ex SHOULD do so.
Again, how is it not disrespectful to the woman to predicate whether your relationship goes forward or not on the opinion of a person she is no longer involved with romantically?
I'm not saying the person wouldn't need help but you know if they were in the process of getting help and overcoming whatever weird hang ups were there. It might be a favorable thing not to remind them of that sort of stuff.
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Edward: Then don't have sex in front of said person.
I have a female friend who is having one if her friends absolutely freak out on her because one of her exes friended her on facebook or something stupid like that.
I guess what I'm saying is it isn't really a gender issue.
Yeah I was going off the OP example. It would go both ways of course.
It's not carved in stone, but if this girl dated a friend, especially a close friend, I wouldn't think about dating her without seeing how he felt about it first. It has nothing to do with posessiveness and everything to do with friendship and courtesy.
Sure, the question is is it required or is it disrespectful NOT to inform them.
It's not required, but I would do it in order to not look like an ass to my friends or myself.
So are you going to defend your statement that it is disrespectful not to ask a friend if you should make a move?
No one is arguing that talking to the friend about it would be harmful to the friendship. But you are saying it's a required part of the friendship, no?
I really don't get this.
If you are friends with someone wouldn't you approve of their general demeanor? Wouldn't them dating your ex that you care enough about to be upset over be the best thing because at least you know your ex will be treated to the company of someone worthy of being your friend?
-Terry Pratchett
This is a behavior I have Zero personal experience with.
I'd rather tell them, then have them find out from someone else, but that's personal opinion and not a requirement.