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Blade Runner - It sucks... give it another chance?
I saw this movie as a kid, and dint understand it. ISo i decided to buy it on DVD. I watched it and thought it was total rubbish. Ive bought the single disc, Directors Cut version, and i hear it's supposed to be crap compared to the original. Is it worth getting a copy of the original and giving it another chance?or will i be wasting my time? I can't imagine a directors cut transforming (what people call) a classic film into a piece of shit.
I guess at best you could bum a copy of the Final Cut from a friend or rent it. The problem is there are multiple cuts of the film, but if you don't like the underlying movie, it might not be your thing. I wouldn't worry about it.
I'm a fan of 80's movies, and i hear people talk about how great this film is, and i just don't understand why. I like the art style of the film, but the story and characters i just don't find appealing.
The original featured a sporatic voiceover by Harrison Ford's character that spelled out the plot a bit more for those that found it confusing. (This isn't a knock, I found the voiceover helpful myself.) Seems most fans prefer the Director's Cut which stripped that out, added the implication that Deckard was a replicant with the unicorn scene (which I also didn't care for) and cut the tacked on "driving away" happy ending. So would you prefer that version? If you think it sucked, well, not sure the original is going to help unless you find the voiceover to be helpful.
That's the funny thing, I saw Blade Runner when I was younger and didn't like it--when I rewatched it recently (theatrical version), I thought it was great. But Ford's voiceovers are really bad--I think he even admitted to doing them poorly on purpose in the hope that the studio would leave them out. (Edit: Beated!)
So I doubt the original version will improve things much for you, unless the problem was still that you were baffled and need more explanation.
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The Director's Cut is far, far, far superior to the original version and Blade Runner is one of the best movies ever made. You might not like it but there are peopel who don't like everything.
i've watched bladerunner maybe a dozen times over the years, including studying it in cultural studies and literature courses, and i've never found it particularly thrilling. it's one of those movies i always fall asleep in
Read the book. If I would have saw the movie (Final Cut) before reading the book, I would have been completely lost. The book makes the movie better, IMO.
Read the book. If I would have saw the movie (Final Cut) before reading the book, I would have been completely lost. The book makes the movie better, IMO.
Eh, I'd have to disagree here. The book is fantastic, the movie is fantastic, and they might as well be unrelated for all they have to do with each other.
Funnily enough the adventure game combines the best parts of the book and the movie, which shouldn't really go together, and does it perfectly. Amazing game.
It is worth mentioning, however, that Harrison Ford purposely fucked up the voiceover because he didn't like it.
Not true.
After reading up on it... it's true that he didn't like the voiceovers. It was rumored that he did them badly on purpose. He denied it, but who knows? Either way, I'm sure it at least influenced his reading, intentionally or not, and he's admitted as much.
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The movie is quite complex, with many symbolism, I saw it too when I was a kid and I didn't understand it entirely until I read a summary I found in the void describing in detail several things I didn't notice before.
In a certain way, the replicants see Tyrell as their father (or God) and the leader of the group demands from his god an extension of his life span (replicants cannot live as long as humans).
A replicant can only be identified by a flow in their eyes (the old saying that the eyes are the windows of the soul).
I must say I found quite amusing that after Deckard invited the beautiful Tyrell's assistant to that dirty bar for a drink, and even after she blatantly rejected his offer, she showed up after all.
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It is worth mentioning, however, that Harrison Ford purposely fucked up the voiceover because he didn't like it.
Not true.
After reading up on it... it's true that he didn't like the voiceovers. It was rumored that he did them badly on purpose. He denied it, but who knows? Either way, I'm sure it at least influenced his reading, intentionally or not, and he's admitted as much.
Yeah, sorry for the rumor mongering earlier. I need to read my copy of Future Noir again, because I'm pretty sure the author discusses the voiceover.
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The director's cut is generally acknowledged to be better than the theatrical release. If you didn't like it, you probably won't like the theatrical release, unless your beef was that you wanted a happy ending and extraneous voiceover.
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edited December 2008
I've TA'd for classes where the professor assigned Blade Runner as homework. Trust me, you're not the only person who doesn't like it.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a classic more because of other films it influenced than because of its intrinsic quality. And that's coming from someone who actually kind of likes the movie.
I've TA'd for classes where the professor assigned Blade Runner as homework. Trust me, you're not the only person who doesn't like it.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a classic more because of other films it influenced than because of its intrinsic quality. And that's coming from someone who actually kind of likes the movie.
Dangit it's a classic because it's a fantastic movie in its own right. This doesn't mean anyone will like it any more than everyone will like Shakespeare or Catch-22 or something but there are classics that are good and this is one of them.
After reading up on it... it's true that he didn't like the voiceovers. It was rumored that he did them badly on purpose. He denied it, but who knows? Either way, I'm sure it at least influenced his reading, intentionally or not, and he's admitted as much.
From all that I have read and experienced in learning more about Blade Runner and how it was made, I know for a fact that Harrison Ford did not like the film for several reasons, and I'll list them:
1.Mr. Ford was initially sold on a premise that was never fully developed. He plays a detective who did no detective work engaging enough to be of interest.
2. The Director and Harrison did not work well together. Ridley chooses his actors carefully and prefers to take a hands off approach in actor involvement. I think Harrison wanted more direction from Ridley, but he chose to avoid Ford to get him in a proper mindset for the role he must play.
Plot spoiler regarding Harrison Ford's character "Rick Deckard".
3.
Artistic differences cropped up when Ridley brought forward the notion Deckard should be a Replicant. Ford completely resisted the idea.
4. The voice over narration was complete and utter crap. However Ford is a professional actor and would not purposefully ruin a part of the film he did not agree with. If it sounds like Ford did the voice over work badly, it is simply because he had very little to work with and maintain a straight face.
I am in the minority because I like the voice-over. For me it adds to noir feel of the movie, giving the Deckard character more of a Sam Spade type of feel.
After reading up on it... it's true that he didn't like the voiceovers. It was rumored that he did them badly on purpose. He denied it, but who knows? Either way, I'm sure it at least influenced his reading, intentionally or not, and he's admitted as much.
From all that I have read and experienced in learning more about Blade Runner and how it was made, I know for a fact that Harrison Ford did not like the film for several reasons, and I'll list them:
1.Mr. Ford was initially sold on a premise that was never fully developed. He plays a detective who did no detective work engaging enough to be of interest.
2. The Director and Harrison did not work well together. Ridley chooses his actors carefully and prefers to take a hands off approach in actor involvement. I think Harrison wanted more direction from Ridley, but he chose to avoid Ford to get him in a proper mindset for the role he must play.
Plot spoiler regarding Harrison Ford's character "Rick Deckard".
3.
Artistic differences cropped up when Ridley brought forward the notion Deckard should be a Replicant. Ford completely resisted the idea.
4. The voice over narration was complete and utter crap. However Ford is a professional actor and would not purposefully ruin a part of the film he did not agree with. If it sounds like Ford did the voice over work badly, it is simply because he had very little to work with and maintain a straight face.
Yeah, I guess it's unlikely that he would actually fuck them up on purpose, when you think about it--but I do think he could have done a better job with the admittedly shoddy material, and that's probably because he didn't want to be doing the voiceovers in the first place, and it shows through in the film.
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I made the fatal mistake of reading the book first, and I think the film totally missed the point of the novel and failed to have any meaningful point of its own, so the end result is I think the film is total rubbish.
I made the fatal mistake of reading the book first, and I think the film totally missed the point of the novel and failed to have any meaningful point of its own, so the end result is I think the film is total rubbish.
Please expound? I remember reading that Philip K. Dick himself liked the screenplay.
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Since I didn't see anyone clarify it before, there are three different versions of the movie. The Theatrical Release has the voice-over by Harrison Ford. The Directors Cut wasn't actually done by Ridley Scott (although he did sign off on it) and removed the voice-over but didn't trim down the scenes where the voice-over used to be, so there is some odd pacing and pauses at points. The Final Cut was actually done by Ridley Scott, has no voiceover, and repaces scenes to account for the lack of voice-over. There are various differences in the ending as well, but I don't recall the details off which ending went with which.
Personally I really enjoy Blade Runner... When they did the BluRay release I got it and watched it through, but the version on that disc I did not like so much as the original....
I have the final cut (came out only recently). I like it a lot more than the director's cut, which I watched a few years ago.
It's not a "typical" movie, as it's pretty slowly paced. But the final cut does make it much better, with additional scenes added and better editing. One thing I really liked about it on Blu Ray is that the new cut is also fantastically cleaned up -- one of my complaints of it when I watched it way back was that it was too dark to see anything. So, once you can actually see all the light reflecting off the rain, the movie becomes quite pretty.
I also like that despite being sci-fi from the 80s, it's not too dated. But yeah, the "final" cut is the one to get. But if you don't like the movie, it's not a big deal. People like different things.
I've seen the last two versions at the big screen and loved them both. But then I am a bit of a sci fi geek and tend to like anything futuristic that tries. Plus the theme song rocks
I love Blade Runner, but why would you try so hard to like it when you simply don't ?
You might try the final cut, but Blade Runner seems to be one of these 'hate it or love it' movies.
I made the fatal mistake of reading the book first, and I think the film totally missed the point of the novel and failed to have any meaningful point of its own, so the end result is I think the film is total rubbish.
Like I said earlier, the book and the movie are entirely different things that should not even be considered as related. They don't even share a title. Dick's stuff gets turned into movies all the time and it's always changed into something unrecognizable; with Blade Runner it just ended up getting changed into one of the best movies of all time instead of a piece of crap like normal.
I made the fatal mistake of reading the book first, and I think the film totally missed the point of the novel and failed to have any meaningful point of its own, so the end result is I think the film is total rubbish.
Like I said earlier, the book and the movie are entirely different things that should not even be considered as related. They don't even share a title. Dick's stuff gets turned into movies all the time and it's always changed into something unrecognizable; with Blade Runner it just ended up getting changed into one of the best movies of all time instead of a piece of crap like normal.
I thought A Scanner Darkly was a pretty good movie, although I haven't read either of the books
...but Blade Runner seems to be one of these 'hate it or love it' movies.
Apparently! Never have I regarded the film to be so disliked as after having read this thread.
I'll say that I think it's a great film, but not really for the reasons a pretentious film student might give you. I found it enjoyably watchable at a less than cerebral age, if only for the action and mood of it.
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Are you worried you're missing out on some essential life experience if you don't like this movie? It's just a movie.
So I doubt the original version will improve things much for you, unless the problem was still that you were baffled and need more explanation.
don't worry about it
Eh, I'd have to disagree here. The book is fantastic, the movie is fantastic, and they might as well be unrelated for all they have to do with each other.
Funnily enough the adventure game combines the best parts of the book and the movie, which shouldn't really go together, and does it perfectly. Amazing game.
I really tried to like blade runner. But god it is just awful.
Not true.
After reading up on it... it's true that he didn't like the voiceovers. It was rumored that he did them badly on purpose. He denied it, but who knows? Either way, I'm sure it at least influenced his reading, intentionally or not, and he's admitted as much.
I like it tho...i like sci fi things. I can see this being the future. Basically, kinda like the 5th element.
In a certain way, the replicants see Tyrell as their father (or God) and the leader of the group demands from his god an extension of his life span (replicants cannot live as long as humans).
A replicant can only be identified by a flow in their eyes (the old saying that the eyes are the windows of the soul).
I must say I found quite amusing that after Deckard invited the beautiful Tyrell's assistant to that dirty bar for a drink, and even after she blatantly rejected his offer, she showed up after all.
I even like it. I think it's quite good, but a lot of it has quite a slow pace, and I must have some mild ADD or something and I just lose interest.
Probably has something to do with the fact that I know what's going to happen.
Yeah, sorry for the rumor mongering earlier. I need to read my copy of Future Noir again, because I'm pretty sure the author discusses the voiceover.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a classic more because of other films it influenced than because of its intrinsic quality. And that's coming from someone who actually kind of likes the movie.
Dangit it's a classic because it's a fantastic movie in its own right. This doesn't mean anyone will like it any more than everyone will like Shakespeare or Catch-22 or something but there are classics that are good and this is one of them.
You should watch that one instead. Or any movie with him in it.
From all that I have read and experienced in learning more about Blade Runner and how it was made, I know for a fact that Harrison Ford did not like the film for several reasons, and I'll list them:
1.Mr. Ford was initially sold on a premise that was never fully developed. He plays a detective who did no detective work engaging enough to be of interest.
2. The Director and Harrison did not work well together. Ridley chooses his actors carefully and prefers to take a hands off approach in actor involvement. I think Harrison wanted more direction from Ridley, but he chose to avoid Ford to get him in a proper mindset for the role he must play.
Plot spoiler regarding Harrison Ford's character "Rick Deckard".
3.
Yeah, I guess it's unlikely that he would actually fuck them up on purpose, when you think about it--but I do think he could have done a better job with the admittedly shoddy material, and that's probably because he didn't want to be doing the voiceovers in the first place, and it shows through in the film.
Please expound? I remember reading that Philip K. Dick himself liked the screenplay.
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It's not a "typical" movie, as it's pretty slowly paced. But the final cut does make it much better, with additional scenes added and better editing. One thing I really liked about it on Blu Ray is that the new cut is also fantastically cleaned up -- one of my complaints of it when I watched it way back was that it was too dark to see anything. So, once you can actually see all the light reflecting off the rain, the movie becomes quite pretty.
I also like that despite being sci-fi from the 80s, it's not too dated. But yeah, the "final" cut is the one to get. But if you don't like the movie, it's not a big deal. People like different things.
You might try the final cut, but Blade Runner seems to be one of these 'hate it or love it' movies.
Like I said earlier, the book and the movie are entirely different things that should not even be considered as related. They don't even share a title. Dick's stuff gets turned into movies all the time and it's always changed into something unrecognizable; with Blade Runner it just ended up getting changed into one of the best movies of all time instead of a piece of crap like normal.
I thought A Scanner Darkly was a pretty good movie, although I haven't read either of the books
Apparently! Never have I regarded the film to be so disliked as after having read this thread.
I'll say that I think it's a great film, but not really for the reasons a pretentious film student might give you. I found it enjoyably watchable at a less than cerebral age, if only for the action and mood of it.
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