So...they could announce an update as early as next week. That means we'll get it when? March? Someone'll need to break out the chart on that one.
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Ask first, if no response ask again. If again you get no response then tell them you are sorry for kicking them. Give them a couple of seconds and kick without feeling bad at all.
Ask first, if no response ask again. If again you get no response then tell them you are sorry for kicking them. Give them a couple of seconds and kick without feeling bad at all.
Yeah, i usually would ask and then kick
but, then i've been in games where there was a team switch; and one of the dudes was all like, "but, he was my friend abloo bloo." So, we kicked him.
it's been my experience if you're getting switched, it's just gonna switch you again next round. don't know if it's an actual game mechanic or what.
Ask first, if no response ask again. If again you get no response then tell them you are sorry for kicking them. Give them a couple of seconds and kick without feeling bad at all.
Yeah, i usually would ask and then kick
but, then i've been in games where there was a team switch; and one of the dudes was all like, "but, he was my friend abloo bloo." So, we kicked him.
it's been my experience if you're getting switched, it's just gonna switch you again next round. don't know if it's an actual game mechanic or what.
Yeah it's called esc>call a vote>kick a player. If he says "WTF" then you have his attention and tell him to hit "m", I don't feel guilty about kicking someone when they can't follow simple direction. I wouldn't want someone like that on my team even if I didn't have a friend waiting for the spot.
I've never been bothered by my team getting broken up. I enjoy killing my friends as much as I do killing with them. I can see why it would bother some people though, the random team switch bug really should be fixed.
I've never been bothered by my team getting broken up. I enjoy killing my friends as much as I do killing with them. I can see why it would bother some people though, the random team switch bug really should be fixed.
I enjoy killing friends more...especially if they can hear your voice. Very satisfying
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I've posted this several times, but people never really pay attention:
Team Switching and YOU
There is a bug in Left 4 Dead wherein teams are only "recorded" at the start of a game (That is, when the lobby leader hits "Start Game").
If someone in the game leaves and is later replaced by someone else, it does not "re-record" the team makeups. The next round, the new player simply ends up on whatever team he ends up on based on how fast he loads. So, if he loads faster than your teammate (Zoey), he could take Zoey's slot, leaving your old teammate to join another free slot, which is often the other team.
So, there is no vast conspiracy where people are mashing M and trying to switch teams at the start. I mean, that can happen, but chances are no one is doing that in most games. It's a simple problem where the late-joining player has no "official team" according to the game, and each round he will simply end up on whatever team the game puts him, taking the spot of the original member.
They just need to have the game "re-record" the team makeups at the end of each round.
"Hey, 'Dude X', you and our best friend got switched. Go into console and spectate or switch teams."
no reply.
"Hey, Dude, switch teams. Hit M and switch teams so our friend can come back."
No reply, and now the guy is getting weapons and a medkit.
"Dude X, our friend and you got switched, good fucking god, spectate or switch teams. HIT. M!"
Dude opens the saferoom door and charges out.
That happens like every fucking round. It's baffling. I am honestly baffled.
What the fuck phenomenon explains that, WITHOUT FAIL THREE OUT OF EVERY FOUR TIMES SOMEONE GETS SWITCHED, THE ONE ON OUR TEAM DOES OR SAYS NOTHING
Even worse, yesterday I was in a VS game and got switched randomly between rounds. The team started literally yelling at me and kicked me without giving me a chance to switch back. Bewildering.
Hidden Infected Stats Page
While messing around in singleplayer versus, I get a stats screen every time I die as infected.
This is a picture of the stats
I'm just wondering, why isn't this included in real versus mode? It's kind of annoying to have to go to console to see the damage I did upon death, and I like how much information it gives.
If anyone is interested, this only shows up if you use director_no_death_check 1 and director_force_versus_start. But there are many threads on singleplayer infected. This is about the stats page.
Hidden Infected Stats Page
While messing around in singleplayer versus, I get a stats screen every time I die as infected.
This is a picture of the stats
I'm just wondering, why isn't this included in real versus mode? It's kind of annoying to have to go to console to see the damage I did upon death, and I like how much information it gives.
If anyone is interested, this only shows up if you use director_no_death_check 1 and director_force_versus_start. But there are many threads on singleplayer infected. This is about the stats page.
The worst part about having to kick one of those people who refuses to change teams is when they quickly console kill themselves in some bizarre form of retaliation.
"Hey, 'Dude X', you and our best friend got switched. Go into console and spectate or switch teams."
no reply.
"Hey, Dude, switch teams. Hit M and switch teams so our friend can come back."
No reply, and now the guy is getting weapons and a medkit.
"Dude X, our friend and you got switched, good fucking god, spectate or switch teams. HIT. M!"
Dude opens the saferoom door and charges out.
That happens like every fucking round. It's baffling. I am honestly baffled.
What the fuck phenomenon explains that, WITHOUT FAIL THREE OUT OF EVERY FOUR TIMES SOMEONE GETS SWITCHED, THE ONE ON OUR TEAM DOES OR SAYS NOTHING
Even worse, yesterday I was in a VS game and got switched randomly between rounds. The team started literally yelling at me and kicked me without giving me a chance to switch back. Bewildering.
No, I never kick without the person having a chance to switch. I don't want to lose a player. None of my friends do, either.
But I certainly kick after, like, no response from 3 or 4 inquiries.
On a lighter note, intentionally getting myself incapped by luring the tank under the gas station in NM 3 and blowing it up is the most fun.
Anybody wanna get involved in some 360 Expert Dead Air action? My friend and I are 2/4 and could do with assistance of non-AIs :-)
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Anybody wanna get involved in some 360 Expert Dead Air action? My friend and I are 2/4 and could do with assistance of non-AIs :-)
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Not sure if we'll last that long lol
We've been doing DA3 over, and over, and over again. Tank ruins us every time
Speaking of Dead Air, I was doing a pub game last night, we're on the 4th map, at the panic event involving the van. Zoey starts it up and her and Louis run into the room to the right and a Tank spawns in the room with them. I threw a molotov down and ran my ass all the way to the end, where I rescued all 3 of them right outside the safe room. Then another Tank spawned with me in the safe room, alone, and everyone else near the stairs. I took him out with the HR through the hole in the door.
So wait... exploits are cool now as long as you tell the other team how to do it? When they refuse, you laugh at them and continue to exploit?
Dejavu, Twisted.
As long as you're fine with calling iowa, Mandalore, and Butterfly dicks, too, for participating in it, fine.
No, exploits aren't cool. However, the infinite hunter exploit, both when you're using it and having it used against you, leads to interesting gameplay choices that change the way you play the game and *GASP* freshen it up a bit. I'm not saying that the infinite infected thing is good.
My point was, though, that if our ENTIRE team is telling the other team that we are going to do something, and NO ONE leaves, and they don't do the same thing when we ASK them to, you obviously have a reason for staying. It isn't hard to find another versus game. If you don't like people being dickwads, don't play with them.
The laughing at them comes into play only when they suddenly act like that's all we know how to do and that we wouldn't crush them otherwise. If you saw how they were playing when THEY were infected, it'd be painfully obvious that Butterfly, Manda, iowa, and me could have easily taken them as infected.
They never asked us to stop. Some even seemed to find it funny and not even notice anything out of the ordinary.
That doesn't justify it. None of this does. But if you come onto a server, be told that "WE'RE GOING TO EXPLOIT, LAWLZ" and that's what happens, it's on you for staying. It's an opt-in thing.
Also, the infinite infected is a lot stronger of an exploit than witch moving, and I guarantee that it gets patched out first, if the witch thing gets patched out at all. Jesus, let it go. They call it dicking around for a reason. I've talked this over with you multiple times. If you want to harbor some sort of grudge for it, go ahead. But I think that says more about you than me.
EDIT:
Actually, going back to my first line, they were doing it before I even started playing. When I messaged mandy to ask what he was doing, that's what he said he was doing and I wanted to join in. I told him that I wanted in even if I had to be AGAINST him and butterfly exploiting, which did happen a couple of times.
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thIs fOrUm dEsErvEs A bEttEr clAss Of OttEr, And I'm gOnnA gIvE It tO 'Em. yOU'll sEE, I'll shOw yA
Silliest exploit I've seen so far: jumping on the minigun on Death Toll launches you way up in the air, and you may or may not be able to get to the other side of the barricade without going splat.
Silliest exploit I've seen so far: jumping on the minigun on Death Toll launches you way up in the air, and you may or may not be able to get to the other side of the barricade without going splat.
That is awesome
Also I love versus, I haven't played it in a while as I got rid of the 360 version and bought the PC version but haven't even played it yet.
So I played versus at the begining when exploits weren't known it was soooo awesome, a lot more fun then coop...for me anyway
Anybody wanna get involved in some 360 Expert Dead Air action? My friend and I are 2/4 and could do with assistance of non-AIs :-)
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Not sure if we'll last that long lol
We've been doing DA3 over, and over, and over again. Tank ruins us every time
I would have loved to have been in on that.
That end on DT was stellar. The one prior...not so much.
Silliest exploit I've seen so far: jumping on the minigun on Death Toll launches you way up in the air, and you may or may not be able to get to the other side of the barricade without going splat.
That is awesome
Also I love versus, I haven't played it in a while as I got rid of the 360 version and bought the PC version but haven't even played it yet.
So I played versus at the begining when exploits weren't known it was soooo awesome, a lot more fun then coop...for me anyway
That reminds me. Remember when there was an exploit that allowed the boomer to suicide and splash the survivors with bile. It's a good thing they nipped that in the bud as fast as they did. Hell someone may have even worked overtime to fix that bug.
Silliest exploit I've seen so far: jumping on the minigun on Death Toll launches you way up in the air, and you may or may not be able to get to the other side of the barricade without going splat.
Well, nobody could hit the trick jump so I decided we all needed to die in style.
Silliest exploit I've seen so far: jumping on the minigun on Death Toll launches you way up in the air, and you may or may not be able to get to the other side of the barricade without going splat.
That is awesome
Also I love versus, I haven't played it in a while as I got rid of the 360 version and bought the PC version but haven't even played it yet.
So I played versus at the begining when exploits weren't known it was soooo awesome, a lot more fun then coop...for me anyway
That reminds me. Remember when there was an exploit that allowed the boomer to suicide and splash the survivors with bile. It's a good thing they nipped that in the bud as fast as they did. Hell someone may have even worked overtime to fix that bug.
That still looks downright silly compared to everything people are using now. Hell, I'll still contend that it was hardly gamebreaking and had little effect on the game at all, unlike most of the vogue exploits these days.
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thIs fOrUm dEsErvEs A bEttEr clAss Of OttEr, And I'm gOnnA gIvE It tO 'Em. yOU'll sEE, I'll shOw yA
Anybody wanna get involved in some 360 Expert Dead Air action? My friend and I are 2/4 and could do with assistance of non-AIs :-)
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Not sure if we'll last that long lol
We've been doing DA3 over, and over, and over again. Tank ruins us every time
I would have loved to have been in on that.
That end on DT was stellar. The one prior...not so much.
DT was sooo much fun. All of getting on the boat at the end deserved a round of applause IMO!
We eventually got to DA4 after something like 2hours spent on DA3, one of which included me on pain pills running for the safehouse as the tank punted me, sending my dead body INTO the safehouse, not impressed!
We absolutely RIPPED through DA4 and then DA5 took us about 4 tries. We ended with me, HendoCGS, another guy who I think is on these forums called "Radne0" and a guy who had just joined in before we called the horde, I can't remember if it was Redfield85 or someone else.
We got into the little sideroom under the terminal and all four of us sat melee spamming until the tank came, which had already set itself on fire. We lost one man to that.
Rinsed and repeated until the second tank, which we molotoved and ran from like pussies, took out two more of us while Radneo SPRINTED for the plane door which was opening all too slowly for our liking.
There was blood, tears, fecal matter, urine, screaming, howling, choking and fire everywhere...and I've never had more fun...
Anybody wanna get involved in some 360 Expert Dead Air action? My friend and I are 2/4 and could do with assistance of non-AIs :-)
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Not sure if we'll last that long lol
We've been doing DA3 over, and over, and over again. Tank ruins us every time
I would have loved to have been in on that.
That end on DT was stellar. The one prior...not so much.
DT was sooo much fun. All of getting on the boat at the end deserved a round of applause IMO!
We eventually got to DA4 after something like 2hours spent on DA3, one of which included me on pain pills running for the safehouse as the tank punted me, sending my dead body INTO the safehouse, not impressed!
We absolutely RIPPED through DA4 and then DA5 took us about 4 tries. We ended with me, HendoCGS, another guy who I think is on these forums called "Radne0" and a guy who had just joined in before we called the horde, I can't remember if it was Redfield85 or someone else.
We got into the little sideroom under the terminal and all four of us sat melee spamming until the tank came, which had already set itself on fire. We lost one man to that.
Rinsed and repeated until the second tank, which we molotoved and ran from like pussies, took out two more of us while Radneo SPRINTED for the plane door which was opening all too slowly for our liking.
There was blood, tears, fecal matter, urine, screaming, howling, choking and fire everywhere...and I've never had more fun...
Hahaha...outstanding!
I'm definitely up for some more if you guys ever see me on.:^:
Sivraj, if you wanna add me feel free. I'm always down for some LFD madness.
I think as long as your willing to leave if they have a prior team setup in mind, it's okay to hop in. Great way to learn the in's and out's of the game. (if it's an expert playthrough...REALLY try not to shoot your own guys by accident)
Silliest exploit I've seen so far: jumping on the minigun on Death Toll launches you way up in the air, and you may or may not be able to get to the other side of the barricade without going splat.
That is awesome
Also I love versus, I haven't played it in a while as I got rid of the 360 version and bought the PC version but haven't even played it yet.
So I played versus at the begining when exploits weren't known it was soooo awesome, a lot more fun then coop...for me anyway
That reminds me. Remember when there was an exploit that allowed the boomer to suicide and splash the survivors with bile. It's a good thing they nipped that in the bud as fast as they did. Hell someone may have even worked overtime to fix that bug.
That still looks downright silly compared to everything people are using now. Hell, I'll still contend that it was hardly gamebreaking and had little effect on the game at all, unlike most of the vogue exploits these days.
Anybody wanna get involved in some 360 Expert Dead Air action? My friend and I are 2/4 and could do with assistance of non-AIs :-)
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Not sure if we'll last that long lol
We've been doing DA3 over, and over, and over again. Tank ruins us every time
I would have loved to have been in on that.
That end on DT was stellar. The one prior...not so much.
DT was sooo much fun. All of getting on the boat at the end deserved a round of applause IMO!
We eventually got to DA4 after something like 2hours spent on DA3, one of which included me on pain pills running for the safehouse as the tank punted me, sending my dead body INTO the safehouse, not impressed!
We absolutely RIPPED through DA4 and then DA5 took us about 4 tries. We ended with me, HendoCGS, another guy who I think is on these forums called "Radne0" and a guy who had just joined in before we called the horde, I can't remember if it was Redfield85 or someone else.
We got into the little sideroom under the terminal and all four of us sat melee spamming until the tank came, which had already set itself on fire. We lost one man to that.
Rinsed and repeated until the second tank, which we molotoved and ran from like pussies, took out two more of us while Radneo SPRINTED for the plane door which was opening all too slowly for our liking.
There was blood, tears, fecal matter, urine, screaming, howling, choking and fire everywhere...and I've never had more fun...
Posts
http://kotaku.com/5125547/major-left-4-dead-update-coming-very-soon-to-pc-console
So...they could announce an update as early as next week. That means we'll get it when? March? Someone'll need to break out the chart on that one.
"Hey, 'Dude X', you and our best friend got switched. Go into console and spectate or switch teams."
no reply.
"Hey, Dude, switch teams. Hit M and switch teams so our friend can come back."
No reply, and now the guy is getting weapons and a medkit.
"Dude X, our friend and you got switched, good fucking god, spectate or switch teams. HIT. M!"
Dude opens the saferoom door and charges out.
That happens like every fucking round. It's baffling. I am honestly baffled.
What the fuck phenomenon explains that, WITHOUT FAIL THREE OUT OF EVERY FOUR TIMES SOMEONE GETS SWITCHED, THE ONE ON OUR TEAM DOES OR SAYS NOTHING
in more ways than one
Ask first, if no response ask again. If again you get no response then tell them you are sorry for kicking them. Give them a couple of seconds and kick without feeling bad at all.
Yeah, i usually would ask and then kick
but, then i've been in games where there was a team switch; and one of the dudes was all like, "but, he was my friend abloo bloo." So, we kicked him.
it's been my experience if you're getting switched, it's just gonna switch you again next round. don't know if it's an actual game mechanic or what.
I'm counting down the minutes... n,n-1,n-2
Yeah it's called esc>call a vote>kick a player. If he says "WTF" then you have his attention and tell him to hit "m", I don't feel guilty about kicking someone when they can't follow simple direction. I wouldn't want someone like that on my team even if I didn't have a friend waiting for the spot.
You can spectate by going into console and typing.. uh.. 'spectate'.
LoL: BunyipAristocrat
I enjoy killing friends more...especially if they can hear your voice. Very satisfying
Team Switching and YOU
There is a bug in Left 4 Dead wherein teams are only "recorded" at the start of a game (That is, when the lobby leader hits "Start Game").
If someone in the game leaves and is later replaced by someone else, it does not "re-record" the team makeups. The next round, the new player simply ends up on whatever team he ends up on based on how fast he loads. So, if he loads faster than your teammate (Zoey), he could take Zoey's slot, leaving your old teammate to join another free slot, which is often the other team.
So, there is no vast conspiracy where people are mashing M and trying to switch teams at the start. I mean, that can happen, but chances are no one is doing that in most games. It's a simple problem where the late-joining player has no "official team" according to the game, and each round he will simply end up on whatever team the game puts him, taking the spot of the original member.
They just need to have the game "re-record" the team makeups at the end of each round.
Even worse, yesterday I was in a VS game and got switched randomly between rounds. The team started literally yelling at me and kicked me without giving me a chance to switch back. Bewildering.
Me Wants
No, I never kick without the person having a chance to switch. I don't want to lose a player. None of my friends do, either.
But I certainly kick after, like, no response from 3 or 4 inquiries.
On a lighter note, intentionally getting myself incapped by luring the tank under the gas station in NM 3 and blowing it up is the most fun.
Can you wait 2 hours? :P
Ill be on after 530 PST and I'll help out with whatever. I've done all the experts so the only achievements left are the fucking impossible ones which I dont think Ill ever complete, so im down for just killing some fucking Zeds.
Not sure if we'll last that long lol
We've been doing DA3 over, and over, and over again. Tank ruins us every time
I just want to see what it's like...
Think of all the hunters that could fit under the ramp on NM5 :rotate:
This is like being a hot, 18 year old female freshman who tells her boyfriend of 4 years they need to take a break so she can "experiance life."
Lets do it.
edit*
Heh....
Gamertag: Degami
I'll be up for some games in like 2 hours, if you're still on.
As long as you're fine with calling iowa, Mandalore, and Butterfly dicks, too, for participating in it, fine.
No, exploits aren't cool. However, the infinite hunter exploit, both when you're using it and having it used against you, leads to interesting gameplay choices that change the way you play the game and *GASP* freshen it up a bit. I'm not saying that the infinite infected thing is good.
My point was, though, that if our ENTIRE team is telling the other team that we are going to do something, and NO ONE leaves, and they don't do the same thing when we ASK them to, you obviously have a reason for staying. It isn't hard to find another versus game. If you don't like people being dickwads, don't play with them.
The laughing at them comes into play only when they suddenly act like that's all we know how to do and that we wouldn't crush them otherwise. If you saw how they were playing when THEY were infected, it'd be painfully obvious that Butterfly, Manda, iowa, and me could have easily taken them as infected.
They never asked us to stop. Some even seemed to find it funny and not even notice anything out of the ordinary.
That doesn't justify it. None of this does. But if you come onto a server, be told that "WE'RE GOING TO EXPLOIT, LAWLZ" and that's what happens, it's on you for staying. It's an opt-in thing.
Also, the infinite infected is a lot stronger of an exploit than witch moving, and I guarantee that it gets patched out first, if the witch thing gets patched out at all. Jesus, let it go. They call it dicking around for a reason. I've talked this over with you multiple times. If you want to harbor some sort of grudge for it, go ahead. But I think that says more about you than me.
EDIT:
Actually, going back to my first line, they were doing it before I even started playing. When I messaged mandy to ask what he was doing, that's what he said he was doing and I wanted to join in. I told him that I wanted in even if I had to be AGAINST him and butterfly exploiting, which did happen a couple of times.
And then the people on Armadeaddon wonder why I only want to play co-op.
Some epic vs moments - it just also happens to be one of the most frustrating multiplayer modes ever made.
It's like some sort of pagan god- it fills me with joy and hatred, alternating based on whim.
That is awesome
Also I love versus, I haven't played it in a while as I got rid of the 360 version and bought the PC version but haven't even played it yet.
So I played versus at the begining when exploits weren't known it was soooo awesome, a lot more fun then coop...for me anyway
I would have loved to have been in on that.
That end on DT was stellar. The one prior...not so much.
That reminds me. Remember when there was an exploit that allowed the boomer to suicide and splash the survivors with bile. It's a good thing they nipped that in the bud as fast as they did. Hell someone may have even worked overtime to fix that bug.
Well, nobody could hit the trick jump so I decided we all needed to die in style.
That still looks downright silly compared to everything people are using now. Hell, I'll still contend that it was hardly gamebreaking and had little effect on the game at all, unlike most of the vogue exploits these days.
DT was sooo much fun. All of getting on the boat at the end deserved a round of applause IMO!
We eventually got to DA4 after something like 2hours spent on DA3, one of which included me on pain pills running for the safehouse as the tank punted me, sending my dead body INTO the safehouse, not impressed!
We absolutely RIPPED through DA4 and then DA5 took us about 4 tries. We ended with me, HendoCGS, another guy who I think is on these forums called "Radne0" and a guy who had just joined in before we called the horde, I can't remember if it was Redfield85 or someone else.
We got into the little sideroom under the terminal and all four of us sat melee spamming until the tank came, which had already set itself on fire. We lost one man to that.
Rinsed and repeated until the second tank, which we molotoved and ran from like pussies, took out two more of us while Radneo SPRINTED for the plane door which was opening all too slowly for our liking.
There was blood, tears, fecal matter, urine, screaming, howling, choking and fire everywhere...and I've never had more fun...
Hahaha...outstanding!
I'm definitely up for some more if you guys ever see me on.:^:
Sivraj, if you wanna add me feel free. I'm always down for some LFD madness.
I think as long as your willing to leave if they have a prior team setup in mind, it's okay to hop in. Great way to learn the in's and out's of the game. (if it's an expert playthrough...REALLY try not to shoot your own guys by accident)
Friend, that was my point.
Yea, it was me. I got my ass handed to me.
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