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All political science is bullshit.
What they are doing is forcibly removing people who oppose what they stand for. It's not an attack against arabs, its an attack against opponents of the war.
It could always be an elaborate surprise party.
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If I'm reading this correctly, you're suggesting that the low number of Arab members in Knesset is proof that Israeli MPs are racist? Just to clarify so we're on the same page- you are aware that the Israeli public for the most part elects Knesset, eyes? This allows them to vote on whatever issue they'd like- race, ideology etc. But we're not talking about the public, I don't think, unless the topic's changed.
And a very bad one. Banning people who doesn't share your (war) interests is also appalling.
Then why are they stopping at those two parties?
Your accusations make assumptions of the wants of the Israeli people that there just isn't evidence to back-up. In fact, the last time a party was barred like this, it was a Jewish party that wanted to kick all the arabs out of Israel.
I clarified this analogy 9 minutes before your post. I don't think I've said anything unclear, at this point? Can you explain what's stupid about my clarification?
Given that these were ultranationalists, wanting to get rid of people who visited hostile nations, called a meeting of the government a "celebration of death," called their [the ultranationalist's] party fascist, and identified themselves as "members of the same nation" as foreigners?
Allow me to propose a secular version: let Israel slide deeper and deeper into an extremist religious theocracy. That way, when it provokes nuclear war with Iran and/or Pakistan, a smaller percentage of sane people will die in the fallout.
Banning political parties in general is pretty damn appalling.
So, I'm saying that the parties are absolutely racist, yes. And do I hold an Israeli public that votes in racist parties as being racist themselves? Fuck yes I do.
That's so goofy it doesn't make any sense to me, Thanatos.
We have: a group of people voting to change the composition of Knesset. The change is composition removes a lot of X people who think Y way. You're presuming that they're trying to change it so hard because of the type of person they are, X (in this case, Arab), rather than the way they think, Y (in this case anti Gaza war, etc.). I can't seem to garner any reasoning for that other than "well it's obvious, come on".
It's not obvious to me, and no one has yet sufficiently explained it.
Yes... Thanatos said that the excuse they were using was that "the parties opposed the war = kicked out" and I was commenting on what a really shitty excuse that is.
That was over 20 years ago.
I guess since Saddam Hussein was doing it twenty years ago, the current Iraqi government must support invading Kuwait and rape rooms.
When did an MP visiting a country become illegal in Israel?
When did stating an opinion about the state of the Knesset become illegal?
When did stating an opinion about an opposing member's party become illegal?
And when did Israel recognize the existance of a Palestinian nation?
Hyperbole in parliaments is not exactly a new phenomenon.
Does that only go for Israel, or does that apply to any election?
It was a war over money.
Yes, the Israelis are to be commended for not creating a third party just for the sake of banning it. Truly they are a paragon of reserve and level-headedness.
Ok... still not following here. Why are you drawing automatically that the difference in representation (2:1) is a result of racial worthiness versus ideological sameness or elect ability or any number of issues? It seems to me that you want to believe this is about race but I'm just not seeing many things to back it up. We're talking about a group of people who are 20% of the population but who also have:
a.) lower qualities of life, in general, and so obviously would be less likely to pursue politics
b.) ideological views that typically differ from the parties with the greatest amount of seats to offer
Is there a racist element at work in the nomination status of Knesset parties? Sure. You're making the entire situation about race, though, when really the numbers make sense to me with race accounting for little.
Again, I disagree that the majority of MPs are virulently racist.
Again, what is your evidence of all of these nebulous intentions?
You're basically accusing them of a coordinated conspiracy at this point.
And didn't one of the articles linked (Jazeera I believe) clearly state that the "celebration of death" and fascist remark were made after this ban?
They're not stopping at them, they're starting with them.
This isn't some giant misunderstanding, this is a country who politically defines itself as one race making political decisions to keep itself racially pure.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time an Arab party was part of a ruling coalition in Israel?
No, no... I'm pretty sure Lincoln threw the nation into war for the sake of the black folk he loved so much.
Just casually so?
I think it's foolish to suggest that an undercurrent of racism and/or nationalism does not run beneath literally every action performed regarding Israeli-Palestinian relations, on both sides.
I meant as opposed to banning all arabs, or banning other heavily arab parties (communists, for example.)
Banning the partiest is a bad thing, but to automatically assume that it was racially motivated, and that the political reasons given are just a smokescreen, is a bit crazy.
I think there were many shitty reasons, of which racism is just one.
edit: And I don't get why you're so tripped up by this "smokescreen" business. Politicians and governments do things for trumped up reasons as smokescreens all the damned time. Why are you so positive that people are being entirely upfront about their motives here?
I think that plenty of Israeli government members possess some level of bigotry, sure. The type that will significantly alter their votes in office? Not nearly so many.
I agree.
You're ignoring the notion that the political reasons and racial motivation are not mutually exclusive, and in fact (in this case) work hand-in-hand.
Even if the political reasons given, that it was because they opposed the war, this is still madness.
Would you say the same thing of the Palestinians?
I mean, the Hamas charter is INCREDIBLY anti-semitic (among other things, it goes so far as to say that Jews secretly control the Masons, the Lions, and the Rotary Clubs).
I just want to know where lines are being drawn here.