Where in my post was I overly abrasive? The only part I see is where I was criticizing the trailer, not the device itself. You can't disagree that the trailer is creepy and makes you want to smash babies. The guy took a picture of his girlfriend and they laughed like school children--they were both at least 25.
Ah, that's my mistake then—the trailer is fair game, I turned it off about 45 seconds in. :rotate: Apologies are in order.
The gun being pointed to people head is called DSi exclusive games.
"Hey! You want to play this awesome game? Guess what? You have to buy yet another gameboy that is that same gameboy that you have but have another 2mb of ram! Oh dont worry! You can trade in your old gameboy for $10 at gamespot, so you only really spending $160 for an minimal upgrade and stuff that you'll never ever going to use!"
Well, it's a big ol' theoretical gun right now, seeing as how we don't know a whole lot about any DSi-exclusive games. But the only ones we know of now are all download-only, which are exclusive because, well, they're downloadable and you can't physically do that on the DS as it exists.
Yes, I can't see anything substantial being produced that is DSi exclusive any of us will care about.
As a developer, you would only make such a game if it was absolutely necessary, since you'd be eliminating an astronomical market of DS owners.
Camera games. That's all I can see right now, and I doubt I'll be caring about any of those.
Games that require extra storage for custom levels/maps, including sharing them online, or games that allow custom music off an SD card. And of course games that need to take full advantage of the processor or RAM.
Current DS games with custom maps or elaborate data that needs saving (sim games) don't have a lot of space, so that's a definite benefit.
By your logic, as a developer you wouldn't want to make a DSiWare game either, since you're cutting out the same number of DS owners. So I guess we'll see. When the DS launched, maybe nobody was making DS games for the same reason of cutting out GBA owners?
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The change from GBA to DS was huge compared to DS to DSi.
The DS sold so many units because it was a new method of input for gaming. The DSi is the same old story with a few new features... most of which I don't think any of the "kiddie" DS owners really care about.
The change from GBA to DS was huge compared to DS to DSi.
The DS sold so many units because it was a new method of input for gaming. The DSi is the same old story with a few new features... most of which I don't think any of the "kiddie" DS owners really care about.
But they were still cutting out the massive GBA install base by choosing to make DS games instead, right? They could reach so many more people by making a GBA game instead.
See it as the GBA SP. It still sold incredibly well despite being the same old story. Really, the DSi will just replace the Lite. There's no reason to believe it will substantially affect sales. I suspect people will gobble the new features up, specifically the tool to edit and store photos and the ability to browse the Internet without any RAM hassle, but that's just my guess.
I really don't we'll see too many DSi only games. What we may see are DSi Enhanced games. They'll run on a DS Phat or Lite, but will be, well, enhanced on the DSi. Weren't there Gameboy Color games that did something like that?
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The change from GBA to DS was huge compared to DS to DSi.
The DS sold so many units because it was a new method of input for gaming. The DSi is the same old story with a few new features... most of which I don't think any of the "kiddie" DS owners really care about.
But they were still cutting out the massive GBA install base by choosing to make DS games instead, right? They could reach so many more people by making a GBA game instead.
No, because the majority* of GBA owners will be buying DS's anyway. The same can't be said for the DSi, I imagine.
My DS Is slowly falling apart. When it Does, DSi time.
....Unless Nintendo release a DSi only game that I must have. Which i'm sure they will.
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I really don't we'll see too many DSi only games. What we may see are DSi Enhanced games. They'll run on a DS Phat or Lite, but will be, well, enhanced on the DSi. Weren't there Gameboy Color games that did something like that?
Yes, Dual mode carts. These were Black. Example: Link's Awakening DX. It would run on a regular gameboy, but the color-only features (The New Color dungeon) only worked on the GBC. There were a lot of these Hybrid games. Also, some older regular GB games had palettes built into the GBC hardware itself, such as Tetris and Metroid II.
There was another type of GB cart that was clear plastic and had a bump at the top (where normal carts had an indention). These were the GBC-only games.
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I really don't we'll see too many DSi only games. What we may see are DSi Enhanced games. They'll run on a DS Phat or Lite, but will be, well, enhanced on the DSi. Weren't there Gameboy Color games that did something like that?
Yes, Dual mode carts. These were Black. Example: Link's Awakening DX. It would run on a regular gameboy, but the color-only features (The New Color dungeon) only worked on the GBC. There were a lot of these Hybrid games. Also, some games had palettes built into the GBC hardware itself, such as Tetris and Metroid II.
There was another type of GB cart that was clear plastic and had a bump at the top (where normal carts had an indention). These were the GBC-only games.
Oh man, I remember those black carts. R-Type (something) was one of those games, and it was awesome in Color mode.
Also I don't know where you've been but Nintendo has done digital distribution extremely well thus far. Like, competently, easy to use, with a great selection of stuff on Virtual Console and Wiiware. If they can continue that tradition on DSi it will be awesome.
Did you even see their "download bar" for VC games? Maybe they've changed it since I last used it but it was mario running and hitting 3 blocks. How fast is the download going? When should I expect to be able to play my game? Answering questions like these would apparently only confuse us.
And I'm not that impressed with their attempted digital service for the DS. They have a few apps, which is all fine, but really they should have just allowed you to download full games, and put up as many games as possible. DS games are small. SD cards are big. Swapping cartridges is awful. Figure it out.
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Also I don't know where you've been but Nintendo has done digital distribution extremely well thus far. Like, competently, easy to use, with a great selection of stuff on Virtual Console and Wiiware. If they can continue that tradition on DSi it will be awesome.
Did you even see their "download bar" for VC games? Maybe they've changed it since I last used it but it was mario running and hitting 3 blocks. How fast is the download going? When should I expect to be able to play my game? Answering questions like these would apparently only confuse us.
And I'm not that impressed with their attempted digital service for the DS. They have a few apps, which is all fine, but really they should have just allowed you to download full games, and put up as many games as possible. DS games are small. SD cards are big. Swapping cartridges is awful. Figure it out.
I doubt Nintendo would ever allow you to put games on SD cards due to Piracy. Heck, I'm surprised they let you do it with the Virtual Console.
And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
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Are they releasing any actual DSi games? This must be the first console launch I've seen where instead of showing what games they'll be selling, the company is instead showing people being amazed by the concept of digital photos. Suspiciously sharp digital photos, considering the cameras have all the power of someone drawing really quickly. I know Nintendo has this army of easily pleased middle aged Wii buyers now, with their cash and their jobs, but they could at least make an effort in the games department. Even the DS Phat had a Mario game. Lets have something only for the DSi, that makes the DSL look like warmed over poop. Come on Nintendo, climb out of your moneybeds and get cracking.
I will buy the DSi if my Lite ever dies. I'm on my second Lite, which gives it a 50/50 chance. on one hand, the first one died after about 3 years, so there's a chance number 2 could do that too. on the other hand, #2 should be better.
Are they releasing any actual DSi games? This must be the first console launch I've seen where instead of showing what games they'll be selling, the company is instead showing people being amazed by the concept of digital photos. Suspiciously sharp digital photos, considering the cameras have all the power of someone drawing really quickly. I know Nintendo has this army of easily pleased middle aged Wii buyers now, with their cash and their jobs, but they could at least make an effort in the games department. Even the DS Phat had a Mario game. Lets have something only for the DSi, that makes the DSL look like warmed over poop. Come on Nintendo, climb out of your moneybeds and get cracking.
They're not showing games (aside from DSiWare) because there ARE NONE. Because this isn't a new Console, it's a new console iteration.
I don't understand why people are having trouble with this concept. Nintendo's done it many times before.
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See it as the GBA SP. It still sold incredibly well despite being the same old story. Really, the DSi will just replace the Lite. There's no reason to believe it will substantially affect sales. I suspect people will gobble the new features up, specifically the tool to edit and store photos and the ability to browse the Internet without any RAM hassle, but that's just my guess.
Except it's not GBA->SP, it's GB->GBC. SP had the same exact specs as a GBA, DSi does not have the same specs as the DS.
Maybe for once we should appreciate that a company isn't touting their next console as a "revolution" or "next gen", just an.. upgrade. It's got 2x the CPU and 4x the RAM of the DS. There are games you will be able to make on the DSi that are impossible on the DS. Especially we'll start seeing ports of N64 games that needed the Expansion Pak (zomg handheld Majora's Mask (or even a DK64 port)). The camera is not really meant as a replacement for all the cellphone cameras out there, it's just for use in games. Remember how well the Game Boy Camera sold and I think it was like .00001 megapixels.
Guys, this summer it will have been 5 years since the DS was introduced. They were going to replace or refresh it eventually.
Also on a slightly different topic, as a game industry trivia lover and developer, I like how Nintendo is starting to open up on their development process with Iwata Asks. Interesting about how they actually wanted to do two DS slots but it made it too big.
Also on a slightly different topic, as a game industry trivia lover and developer, I like how Nintendo is starting to open up on their development process with Iwata Asks. Interesting about how they actually wanted to do two DS slots but it made it too big.
Seriously. I think the best decision Yaumauchi (spelling?) ever made was to appoint Iwata as his successor.
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Are they releasing any actual DSi games? This must be the first console launch I've seen where instead of showing what games they'll be selling, the company is instead showing people being amazed by the concept of digital photos. Suspiciously sharp digital photos, considering the cameras have all the power of someone drawing really quickly. I know Nintendo has this army of easily pleased middle aged Wii buyers now, with their cash and their jobs, but they could at least make an effort in the games department. Even the DS Phat had a Mario game. Lets have something only for the DSi, that makes the DSL look like warmed over poop. Come on Nintendo, climb out of your moneybeds and get cracking.
They're not showing games (aside from DSiWare) because there ARE NONE. Because this isn't a new Console, it's a new console iteration.
I don't understand why people are having trouble with this concept. Nintendo's done it many times before.
If you're upgrading a system, you need to provide games that take advantage of the upgrade, otherwise what's the point?
And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
The DSi download indicator is the Advance Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess dropping blue balls into a box, which, when fully filled, turns into a present. Every time you open a new channel on your DSi for the first time, you have to unwrap it first.
And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
The DSi download indicator is the Advance Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess dropping blue balls into a box, which, when fully filled, turns into a present. Every time you open a new channel on your DSi for the first time, you have to unwrap it first.
SNES had 1KB of RAM (I think maybe up to 4KB in some cases)
And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
The DSi download indicator is the Advance Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess dropping blue balls into a box, which, when fully filled, turns into a present. Every time you open a new channel on your DSi for the first time, you have to unwrap it first.
SNES had 1KB of RAM (I think maybe up to 4KB in some cases)
And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
The DSi download indicator is the Advance Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess dropping blue balls into a box, which, when fully filled, turns into a present. Every time you open a new channel on your DSi for the first time, you have to unwrap it first.
SNES had 1KB of RAM (I think maybe up to 4KB in some cases)
So yeah, it could do SNES games with it's pinky.
Well then...
... awesome.
Which makes me amazed that they even pulled off DKC on that thing.
I don't see what peoples confusion is with this. Wether you like it or not is irrelivent. This is a more powerful system, and they will develope games on it that are not playable on the ds regular. This is not the same as DSPhat to DS lite. This is not the same as GBA to GBASP.
This is a more powerful system, and they will make games for this. I don't know if it will be a success or not, but it is technically the next step up.
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And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
The DSi download indicator is the Advance Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess dropping blue balls into a box, which, when fully filled, turns into a present. Every time you open a new channel on your DSi for the first time, you have to unwrap it first.
SNES had 1KB of RAM (I think maybe up to 4KB in some cases)
So yeah, it could do SNES games with it's pinky.
Well then...
... awesome.
Which makes me amazed that they even pulled off DKC on that thing.
Hell, they did DKC on the Game Boy Color.
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If no one buys the DSi there won't be any new games for it :P
Seriously, $170 is way too much money for something that's slightly better. Right now it's all pointless technology, until 3 must buy games are on the DSi, I wouldn't even consider it.
I really don't like Nintendo's constant attempt at selling upgrades and gadgets to consumers, you end up paying soo much more.
Damn Nintendo, allowing people to have better handhelds with online stores, more powerful hardware and bigger screens. I hate them. I hate them so much.
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IF they wanted to do that then they should make it modular, instead of making you buy the same damn console over and over and over.
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Ah, that's my mistake then—the trailer is fair game, I turned it off about 45 seconds in. :rotate: Apologies are in order.
Well, it's a big ol' theoretical gun right now, seeing as how we don't know a whole lot about any DSi-exclusive games. But the only ones we know of now are all download-only, which are exclusive because, well, they're downloadable and you can't physically do that on the DS as it exists.
As a developer, you would only make such a game if it was absolutely necessary, since you'd be eliminating an astronomical market of DS owners.
Camera games. That's all I can see right now, and I doubt I'll be caring about any of those.
Games that require extra storage for custom levels/maps, including sharing them online, or games that allow custom music off an SD card. And of course games that need to take full advantage of the processor or RAM.
Current DS games with custom maps or elaborate data that needs saving (sim games) don't have a lot of space, so that's a definite benefit.
By your logic, as a developer you wouldn't want to make a DSiWare game either, since you're cutting out the same number of DS owners. So I guess we'll see. When the DS launched, maybe nobody was making DS games for the same reason of cutting out GBA owners?
The DS sold so many units because it was a new method of input for gaming. The DSi is the same old story with a few new features... most of which I don't think any of the "kiddie" DS owners really care about.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/dsiware/calculator/index.html
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I can't see myself replacing my ipod or starting a picture diary though.
No, because the majority* of GBA owners will be buying DS's anyway. The same can't be said for the DSi, I imagine.
*Assumption, but I think it's a fair one.
....Unless Nintendo release a DSi only game that I must have. Which i'm sure they will.
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Yes, Dual mode carts. These were Black. Example: Link's Awakening DX. It would run on a regular gameboy, but the color-only features (The New Color dungeon) only worked on the GBC. There were a lot of these Hybrid games. Also, some older regular GB games had palettes built into the GBC hardware itself, such as Tetris and Metroid II.
There was another type of GB cart that was clear plastic and had a bump at the top (where normal carts had an indention). These were the GBC-only games.
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you should see (and hear!) Art Style: PiCOPiCT. the Art Style games in general are all awesome, as is Moving Memo Pad.
Did you even see their "download bar" for VC games? Maybe they've changed it since I last used it but it was mario running and hitting 3 blocks. How fast is the download going? When should I expect to be able to play my game? Answering questions like these would apparently only confuse us.
And I'm not that impressed with their attempted digital service for the DS. They have a few apps, which is all fine, but really they should have just allowed you to download full games, and put up as many games as possible. DS games are small. SD cards are big. Swapping cartridges is awful. Figure it out.
I doubt Nintendo would ever allow you to put games on SD cards due to Piracy. Heck, I'm surprised they let you do it with the Virtual Console.
And I like the Mario Running download indicator. It's not like downloading most games take that long...
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They're not showing games (aside from DSiWare) because there ARE NONE. Because this isn't a new Console, it's a new console iteration.
I don't understand why people are having trouble with this concept. Nintendo's done it many times before.
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Except it's not GBA->SP, it's GB->GBC. SP had the same exact specs as a GBA, DSi does not have the same specs as the DS.
Maybe for once we should appreciate that a company isn't touting their next console as a "revolution" or "next gen", just an.. upgrade. It's got 2x the CPU and 4x the RAM of the DS. There are games you will be able to make on the DSi that are impossible on the DS. Especially we'll start seeing ports of N64 games that needed the Expansion Pak (zomg handheld Majora's Mask (or even a DK64 port)). The camera is not really meant as a replacement for all the cellphone cameras out there, it's just for use in games. Remember how well the Game Boy Camera sold and I think it was like .00001 megapixels.
Guys, this summer it will have been 5 years since the DS was introduced. They were going to replace or refresh it eventually.
Seriously. I think the best decision Yaumauchi (spelling?) ever made was to appoint Iwata as his successor.
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If you're upgrading a system, you need to provide games that take advantage of the upgrade, otherwise what's the point?
I guess we might see a few SNES and GBA games available on the DSi store then.
The DSi download indicator is the Advance Mario, Luigi, Toad and Princess dropping blue balls into a box, which, when fully filled, turns into a present. Every time you open a new channel on your DSi for the first time, you have to unwrap it first.
SNES had 1KB of RAM (I think maybe up to 4KB in some cases)
So yeah, it could do SNES games with it's pinky.
Well then...
... awesome.
Which makes me amazed that they even pulled off DKC on that thing.
... or, maybe i'm going to buy one of these because i'm perfectly happy with the DSLite
i'm conflicted; but, i'm gettin' an i.
This is a more powerful system, and they will make games for this. I don't know if it will be a success or not, but it is technically the next step up.
PS2
FF X replay
PS3
God of War 1&2 HD
Rachet and Clank Future
MGS 4
Prince of Persia
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Bayonetta
Fable 3
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FF: 4 heroes of light
Hell, they did DKC on the Game Boy Color.
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Seriously, $170 is way too much money for something that's slightly better. Right now it's all pointless technology, until 3 must buy games are on the DSi, I wouldn't even consider it.
I really don't like Nintendo's constant attempt at selling upgrades and gadgets to consumers, you end up paying soo much more.