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[EvE] It's slightly less boring than discussing politics

DeadlySherpaDeadlySherpa Registered User
edited September 2009 in MMO Extravaganza
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Gentlemen, welcome to EVE Online.

EVE Online is an MMO set in the space region called New Eden, irrevocably separated from Earth after an incident involving the Eve Gate, the one connection between New Eden and Earth.

The game world spans hundreds of solar systems, divided into several regions of varying security level from 1.0 to 0.0 -- the former being highly patrolled by NPC police, the latter being lawless territory for the largest player corporations to war over. It would take several hours at best to travel from one side of the galaxy to another.

Not only is the game world vast in a spatial sense, but in a player sense. Eve Online is entirely unsharded -- every single player shares the same game world, with between 15,000 - 55,000 players online at any given time.

The mechanics of Eve, allowing player corporations to claim sovereignty over resource rich 0.0 space, has led to the emergence of player-created geopolitics that, for many, are far more interesting than the game content itself.

Space is divided into three general security levels on a scale from 1.0 to 0.0. 1.0 to 0.5 is considered high security Empire space, where players who commit aggressive acts against other players will swiftly and inevitably have their ships destroyed by the NPC police organization CONCORD. High security space is not a TOTAL guarantor of safety, but it's close.

0.4 to 0.1 is considered low security Empire space, where aggressive acts can take place without CONCORD retribution, but your personal security status will dive and automated turrets around stations and gates will open fire for a time.

0.0 is lawless space; there is absolutely no retribution for aggression, and most players consider it to be where the real meaty stuff takes place. It also has the best resources in terms of NPC bounties and asteroids to mine in the game. It's completely player-run. Players hold sovereignty over space, and players make the wars.

Here is the current map representing alliance influence, updated daily here, if you really need to actually read who those nebulous blobs of color represent.
Also, a good resource for sovereignty and territory information is DOTLAN so check that out too.

This is a quick look at current influence holdings as of april 7th:
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POLITICS
I will attempt to keep this section as barren as possible, in the interest of generating speculation and controversy. If someone does a decent rundown of known spaceholders and their current situations it may be placed here.


Major Events / News of the past months
- BoB disbanded as an alliance in EvE, gets turned into a Goonswarm Corporation
- Goonswarm takes Delve with the help of their Brosefs
- Kenzoku Alliance (previously BoB) join with -A- and many other friends and try to take back delve. Currently have gained ownership of a station system in querious; 49-. Battle still rages for control.
- Some stuff with Pandemic Legion trading dread fleets in a big brawl over northwards, some 90+ caps destroyed
- Kenzoku dread fleet destroyed in a hot drop. Speculation about if the dreads were replaced or not still rages.
- xXdeathXx and solar doin some same ol same ol over by drone regions I think they are p. happy with their stuff
- IRC/ED tried to open a second front on RA to help out A.S.S.C.A.K.E.S. to ease pressure but they got all their alliance assets stolen and the entire NC reset them instead.
- Some russian guy sold $100 000 worth of timecards to help his alliance and buy stuff for them
If I missed anything gimme a shout.



This thread not strictly war / politics, but should be considered more of an Eve General Bullshit thread -- possible mechanics / patch changes, inane tidbits about what you did in Eve today, discussion of how awesome exotic dancers are, they're all fine here.

Newbies or non-players who like chatting about the game's politics or general news should feel free to hop in, but please keep newbie questions related to joining Merch Industrial or newbie questions related to basic Eve information like skills/fittings questions to the threads linked at the top (which I hope vets will post in, to help the newbies out both in-game and here).

It's also not an GS vs. ?????? thread. Merch Industrial is part of Goonswarm, so naturally the information and discussion will tend that way, but honestly I'm always curious what the fuck is going on up north, in the drone regions, or in Providence and Catch because I never hear about them anymore. So if you're from there, fill us in, and I'll try to keep the OP updated.

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited April 2009
    Keep it clean, people!




    Who am I kidding, just don't poke any eyes out with your dicks.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Are we having dick swordfights?

    DUDE, YOU NEVER HAVE THEM TOUCH!

    So, what's the easiest way to get faction S ammo out to 0.0? Just pay someone who is jumping their own stuff?

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    What is this I don't even.
  • LeafsForLifeLeafsForLife Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Any chance you know someone with a jump freighter?

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  • marty_0001marty_0001 I am a file and you put documents in meRegistered User regular
    edited April 2009
    What!? What is that? CCP Engineering Alliance?! I haven't looked at the sov map since goons took full control of delve/querious.

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  • leafleaf Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    hurfing

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  • MelMel Registered User
    edited April 2009
    marty_0001 wrote: »
    What!? What is that? CCP Engineering Alliance?! I haven't looked at the sov map since goons took full control of delve/querious.

    That's just the inaccessible dev-playground area. Sov used to be under the "Tanis Alliance" name, but I'm guessing they changed it so they wouldn't have to lock the weekly eve-o thread where someone gets shocked/appalled that discontiguous space has been taken by some alliance they've never heard of.

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  • BremenBremen Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    marty_0001 wrote: »
    What!? What is that? CCP Engineering Alliance?! I haven't looked at the sov map since goons took full control of delve/querious.

    It actually is a dev alliance in a region of space that can't be normally reached. They use it for testing stuff, supposedly.

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  • hazywaterhazywater Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    they have no idea how their game works, so they try things out on the live server to figure out some of the mechanics

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  • GalagaGalaxianGalagaGalaxian Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Isn't that what the Test server is for? :?


    Hurray for Jove Space \o/

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  • Cynic JesterCynic Jester Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Isn't that what the Test server is for? :?

    No, the test server is for people who have some small clue about how the game works, ie a small part of the playerbase.

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  • leafleaf Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    And over-arching patches which affect everything, rather than what we're saying which is they use it to test and figure out how things work in their own game where nothing is seemingly recorded or explained beyond players figuring things out, and passing on our tenious knowledge to the newbees.

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  • ValVal Registered User
    edited April 2009
    So I'm setting up a clean alt right now and jesus fuck is industry boring.

    e; I also just saw a pubbie who's been in the Minmatar training corp for 5 years, wtf?

    Val on
  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Are we having dick swordfights?

    DUDE, YOU NEVER HAVE THEM TOUCH!

    So, what's the easiest way to get faction S ammo out to 0.0? Just pay someone who is jumping their own stuff?

    if you are in goonswarm, the correct answer is interbee. Otherwise find a friendly JF, Rorq or blockade runner pilot that does importation.

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  • ukiyo eukiyo e Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Rich Russians are bankrolling alliances? That's some crazy shit.

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ukiyo e wrote: »

    more like a standard day in EVE.

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  • AbbalahAbbalah Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ethea wrote: »
    ukiyo e wrote: »

    more like a standard day in EVE.

    Reading Mittani's stuff always makes me really interested in the whole spy meta-game of eve. Even knowing that 90% of it is dull as hell, it sounds like the other 10% is awesome enough to be worth it.

    Unfortunately from what I can tell it seems like effective spying requires two active accounts, which is more than I can afford to maintain as an unemployed college student.

    Still, a man can dream.

    Horrible, horrible dreams of doing terrible things to innocent people for fun and profit.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Don't forget that Mittani likes to embellish quite a bit, but it's what makes his posts so interesting.

    After all, EVE IS politics, that's a significant portion of the fun.

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  • ukiyo eukiyo e Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Abbalah wrote: »
    Ethea wrote: »
    ukiyo e wrote: »

    more like a standard day in EVE.

    Reading Mittani's stuff always makes me really interested in the whole spy meta-game of eve. Even knowing that 90% of it is dull as hell, it sounds like the other 10% is awesome enough to be worth it.

    Unfortunately from what I can tell it seems like effective spying requires two active accounts, which is more than I can afford to maintain as an unemployed college student.

    Still, a man can dream.

    Horrible, horrible dreams of doing terrible things to innocent people for fun and profit.

    It was the shacknews article that came out a few years ago about the Mittani that got me interested in Eve. I did a lot of spying in the faction war, but that doesn't really count since there is no way to kick people from the NPC militia corp. As a result, there are a lot of spies. It was a lot of fun listening to the enemy's vent and guiding our own fleet into the perfect position to ambush them. My favorite moment was during a pos attack, when a mixed corp fleet was hiding within the shields. They posted the shield password in the fleet chat, and I used my main account to post it in local. They frantically changed it, forgetting that it would eject most of the fleet from the shields. The result was about 75 kills to 5 losses, it was total carnage. :)

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  • AbbalahAbbalah Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Don't forget that Mittani likes to embellish quite a bit, but it's what makes his posts so interesting.

    After all, EVE IS politics, that's a significant portion of the fun.

    The politics of it is so interesting, though.

    I have wondered how honest Mittani is in those columns, though. Fun as they are to read, it seems like publishing detailed explanations of your espionage tactics and how they might be countered would be poor strategy.

    Like the Empire sending out a memo saying "Our ONE WEAKNESS is the thermal exhaust port; if anyone were smart enough to shoot at that, we'd be fucked. Tune in next week for our column "How To Kill A Star Destroyer: The Bridge Is Right Up Front, All Vulnerable And Exposed"'

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  • ApogeeApogee Lancks In Every Game Ever Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ukiyo e wrote: »
    Abbalah wrote: »
    Ethea wrote: »
    ukiyo e wrote: »

    more like a standard day in EVE.

    Reading Mittani's stuff always makes me really interested in the whole spy meta-game of eve. Even knowing that 90% of it is dull as hell, it sounds like the other 10% is awesome enough to be worth it.

    Unfortunately from what I can tell it seems like effective spying requires two active accounts, which is more than I can afford to maintain as an unemployed college student.

    Still, a man can dream.

    Horrible, horrible dreams of doing terrible things to innocent people for fun and profit.

    It was the shacknews article that came out a few years ago about the Mittani that got me interested in Eve. I did a lot of spying in the faction war, but that doesn't really count since there is no way to kick people from the NPC militia corp. As a result, there are a lot of spies. It was a lot of fun listening to the enemy's vent and guiding our own fleet into the perfect position to ambush them. My favorite moment was during a pos attack, when a mixed corp fleet was hiding within the shields. They posted the shield password in the fleet chat, and I used my main account to post it in local. They frantically changed it, forgetting that it would eject most of the fleet from the shields. The result was about 75 kills to 5 losses, it was total carnage. :)

    That is awesome. I didn't even know that woudl happen - I would have jsut told our guys the PW :P

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  • HavelockHavelock Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Abbalah wrote: »
    Don't forget that Mittani likes to embellish quite a bit, but it's what makes his posts so interesting.

    After all, EVE IS politics, that's a significant portion of the fun.

    The politics of it is so interesting, though.


    Agreed. Reading about this stuff makes me want to fire up my old account again and venture out further from High-Sec space.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    So I'm a high SP minmatar pilot and I everyone says I should train Amarr.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User
    edited April 2009
    yep, you should

    I'm training amarr bs V right now :)

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  • EtheaEthea Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    So I'm a high SP minmatar pilot and I everyone says I should train Amarr.

    you should amarr currently is the king of the following:
    • Dreads
    • Fleet BS
    • Delve Ratting BS
    • RRBS
    • HAC Snipers

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    The article about the russian is pure gold, and on the next page he talks about cutting some guys power to kill his titan :D This game is dangerous.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Some days I wish I had the time to renew my account and join back in with the fun. I had almost finished Amarr BS V (well, before they killed ghost training).

    Even if I'm still in corp my stuff's mostly stuck in the old Goon stations though.

    Nobody on
  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    I was high SP in Caldari (T2 Large Rails etc) and trained up for Amarr Battleships, not reloading is great.

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  • OronisOronis Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Can someone explain what ghost training was?

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  • Cynic JesterCynic Jester Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Oronis wrote: »
    Can someone explain what ghost training was?

    Setting a long skill on training and unsubscribing. It kept training while unsubscribed.

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  • ukiyo eukiyo e Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Apogee wrote: »
    That is awesome. I didn't even know that woudl happen - I would have jsut told our guys the PW :P

    We were attacking the POS at the time, so we had to keep the DPS on the tower. Also, since you can't attack another ship while inside the shields all we could have hoped to do was bump them out. By sharing the password in local we forced them to leave the shield and also made them distrustful of their own fleet.
    Vent:
    Fleet Member: "What noob just posted our password in local?"
    FC: "Whoever just posted that is being kickbanned from all Caldari fleets!"
    Another Fleet Member: "Er, it was a Gallente."
    FC: "What?!"

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  • IronSunriseIronSunrise Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Aside: Bremen, thanks for the Scanning note before. Just had my first WH run, got very lucky while trying out scanning, and think I might keep up with it for a while. Somehow I had quite a bit of success without realizing that the scanners mark things on their outer edges, not within the sphere. Beginners luck, I guess.

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    Georg Dreyman, I have no sympathy for you.
  • smokmnkysmokmnky Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    the new scanning system makes my head hurt. of course I wasn't good with the first version either so

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  • Captain ActionCaptain Action Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Has anyone encountered gate campers smartbombing .4 sec gates before? They got me into structure last night, that's with a warp to 0.

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  • ukiyo eukiyo e Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Has anyone encountered gate campers smartbombing .4 sec gates before? They got me into structure last night, that's with a warp to 0.

    I've seen disco traps (all stabs and smartbombs), but they usually hang out near stations. I guess if they knew the direction the ships were coming from and put themselves far enough away to activate the smartbombs it might work.

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  • StormyWatersStormyWaters Registered User
    edited April 2009
    Before heavy dictors, MS used to smartbomb gates a lot in lowsec.

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  • IronSunriseIronSunrise Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Speaking of discos... check out what happens when a lot of overeager tacklers get too close...

    http://killboard.eve-ivy.com/?a=lossesmonthly&m=04&y=2009

    April 4.

    Note that the Hyperion qvq lost that day was worth many times over all those t1 frigs...

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    Georg Dreyman, I have no sympathy for you.
  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Ethea wrote: »
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    So I'm a high SP minmatar pilot and I everyone says I should train Amarr.

    you should amarr currently is the king of the following:
    • Dreads
    • Fleet BS
    • Delve Ratting BS
    • RRBS
    • HAC Snipers

    Funny, when I was Amarr people laughed at me and told me to use Caldari or Minmatar ships.

    On another note, when I saw the updated exploration stuff, I almost resubbed. Until I realized that the only way to make any profit on it would be to bring a battleship as everything would be super-guarded anyway, so it was just fancy ratting.

    I've love if you could make a profit without needing heavy firepower through exploration. Not a LOT of profit, but enough to break even would be neat.

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  • ukiyo eukiyo e Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Speaking of discos... check out what happens when a lot of overeager tacklers get too close...

    http://killboard.eve-ivy.com/?a=lossesmonthly&m=04&y=2009

    April 4.

    Note that the Hyperion qvq lost that day was worth many times over all those t1 frigs...

    For future reference, you can click on "related kills" on a mail page to link to a "battle summary" which will show all of the ships involved in an engagement.

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  • SpamSpam Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    ukiyo e wrote: »
    Speaking of discos... check out what happens when a lot of overeager tacklers get too close...

    http://killboard.eve-ivy.com/?a=lossesmonthly&m=04&y=2009

    April 4.

    Note that the Hyperion qvq lost that day was worth many times over all those t1 frigs...

    For future reference, you can click on "related kills" on a mail page to link to a "battle summary" which will show all of the ships involved in an engagement.

    Oooft, seeing the list of everyone involved there, I'd say those qvq guys did bloody good taking down that many frigates.

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  • Teslan26Teslan26 Registered User regular
    edited April 2009
    Speaking of discos... check out what happens when a lot of overeager tacklers get too close...

    http://killboard.eve-ivy.com/?a=lossesmonthly&m=04&y=2009

    April 4.

    Note that the Hyperion qvq lost that day was worth many times over all those t1 frigs...

    Did anyone get podded?

    Thing that scares me most about PvP is 20 mil isk of implants >_>

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