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[Game On] Dawn of War II: The Balancing

BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is MandatoryRegistered User regular
edited August 2009 in Games and Technology
Dawn of War II

In the singleplayer campaign of Dawn of War II, you roleplay a strong silent young hero, a loveably roguish scout with a dark past, an adamant noble warrior, a racist grumpy old codger, a foolish idealist and a tragic hero of wars past in their death-defying romp across a solar system, helping space elves and green ork natives fend off the evil colonistic advance of the British Tyranid Empire. Watch as our protagonists learn the power of friendship, brinkmanship and rocket-propelled bullets; marvel at the devastation one invisible explosives-bearing man can wreak on structures and creatures alike, and raise an eyebrow at the curious fashion statements of the 41st millenium.

But in the Grim Darkness of Multiplayer, there is only Tyranid. Farseer Idranel foresaw this, and thus set in motion the events leading to the Second Coming of the balance beta. Players of the game can expect to participate in the ongoing struggle of the Orks, Eldar and Space Marines to not be viciously torn asunder and turned into Biomass for Hive Fleet Neon Green/Bubblegum Pink.

Multiplayer Dawn of War II uses the Games for Windows Live service to matchmake you with people who have been known to use dishonourable tactics such as using units that are better than yours. You also have the option of winning games and making your army look prettier. You can also play against the computer, who will endeavour to take your points while leaving your army relatively untouched; whoever is in the chair when the music stops playing wins the game. However, you don't get any pretty armour upgrades this way.

Races

Howling Banshees

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Howling Banshees - and their Eldar manservants - have carefully tended to the flora and fauna of the galaxy for many millenia past, but encroaching Tyranid herbivores devoured their plant planets live. This caused the once placid Eldar women to have a fit of hysterics, causing them to henceforth be known as Howling Banshees. The vicious harridans will stop at nothing to kill every Tyranid in existence and anyone who gets in their way.

Pros - the only race where you're not staring at man-ass while playing.

Cons - you have strict rules on colour co-ordination and plant arrangement. Also, Eldar vehicles are driven solely by women, which has been known to lead to complications.



Shotgun Scouts

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Scouts are the young and upcoming Space Marines. Fearful of becoming a fully fledged Space Marine and thus being reduced to grumpy old men, prejudiced against people wearing less power armour than them and always complaining about whoever it was who stole their Chapter Relics off their lawn, Scouts content themselves with filling Tyranids with buckshot while the Tactical Marines behind them sit back and mourn days gone by when power armour actually meant something.

Pros - the Emperor of Man watches over you from the Golden Throne, and he has foreseen this very day and trained you for it.

Cons - apparently his foresight forgot to inform him that the Power Armour he was outfitting almost his entire army in had one fatal flaw: weakness to everything. Also, the Emperor is a lifeless husk only kept alive by Techpriests because his trusted right hand man Horus tried to kill him and made off with half his army, so his prophetic capabilities may not be up to scratch.



Ravener Brood

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So called because they are ravenous all the time, Raveners want to eat the universe. When they discovered this was physically impossible, they settled for eating everything in existence instead. They are often surrounded by lesser Tyranids, great and small, envious of their appetite. It is said that the symbol of eternal life, the Ouroburos, was depicted after seeing a Ravener attempting to eat its own tail.

Pros - you can and will eat everything. Also, if you cover yourself in baby oil and roll all over the keyboard, you will win games.

Cons - few people like be eaten, so you will be universally despised and ridiculed, sissy.



Slugga Boyz

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Introduced at an early age by the Mad Dok to Waaaaaagh, Slugga Boyz have developed a healthy addiction to killing things. So long as they are hooked up to a steady supply of the stuff, they will punch, thump, kick, stomp, kill and maim anyone who gets in the way of them getting more. However, if they are denied their fix, they have been to known go cold turkey and take a metaphorical kick in the danglies from everyone and their dog. They are accompanied by other, more seasoned Ork junkies who have found more varied applications for their Waaaagh habit. Beware of their Nobs, who get to see things that aren't usually seen.

Pros - you're an Ork.

Cons - you're an Ork.


People Who Also Dabble In Dawn Of War II And Their GFWL Tags, As Plagiarised From MechaAkira's OP
Nerd Forumer Name= Stupid GFWL Tag

Mock the bad ones

Akira = MechaAkira

3clipse= R3clipse
815165 = thee telescopes
A-Puck = Za Puck
Accualt = The Accualt
admanb = admanjb
Aegeri= Aegeri
Battle Jesus = Aarnog (what the fuck why is this nothing like your name, jesus)
biscuitbutt81 = biscuitbutt81
bongi = bongitrs
cakemikz = ryantschutter (can't fucking send it to me with forumer/gfwl or just gfwl like a normal person, so Ryan I hope someone castrates you.)
Captain K = I Am Captain K
Canada_jezus = Canada Jezus
CanisAquilus = Canis Aquilus
ChubbyRaccoon = Juice Tinn
Computer Generated Faggotry = CasinoGhost
Core= defconcore
Critter = TrotskysIcepick
Cronus = MasterCronus
Custom Special/F4ll0ut - customRUB
darksteel=Cokesakto
darunia106=darunia106
Defunker = JollyGreenJssus
Demiurge = Demiurge03
Dissociater= Dissociater
Dr.Oblivious = DrOblivious
Enosh20 = Enosh20
Figgy = FigmentNS
Fizban140 = Fizban140 (?)
Foefaller = FoefallerMagus
Hawk= Hawk xSx
jdarksun= jdarksun
Jebu= Chrethon
Jives = JilesFTW
Joril = Cordiss
Just_Bri_Thanks = BrianJ012
kaliyama = marblesthechimp
Kami = KamiDaHobo
Kinderparty = Kinderparty
kildy = Kildy
Kivutar = Morgant M
Klyka = Klyka
Kruite = Bluflare
Leitner= Colonel Leitner
Lord_Asmodeus= I3rigand
Lurk = Saltek
MagicPrime = FireSideWizard (an ungrateful cunt for not saying "please" add me)
Medan = CaptDearborn
mightyspacepope= mightyspacepope
Moridin889 = LazyGit889
NebulousQ = NebulousQ
ObstSkwerl = Pvtskwerl
Pyromaniac221 = Pyromaniac221
Sepah = Seppah (heh, he can't spell, what a tard).
Shade = Cannoncore
Shamus= El Shamus
Shorn Scrotum Man= SojakFA
Shujaa = ShenanigansUK
SJ= Warboss SJ
SniperGuy = SniperGuy710
Sonar = sonarogre
Quid = Asmadeus
Sidarthur = Eff O Eff (FoF? Fleet of Foot? Eldar scum.)
Spindrift = Cudboat
TekDragon= TekDragon84
TheBog = TheBog2
TheCrumblyCracker = CrumblyCracker
TheGerbil = TheGerbil86
The_Scarab = SomeBug
troublebrewing = TroubleBrewin
Traikan = Traikan
TychoCelchuuu = TychoCelchuu
urahonky = IMAPWNJ00 (wins award for name most likely used by a pedophile)
Urian = Fathom216
valtzy = valtzy
Varega = Varega (likes to be called "Vagina Man" because he's a big vagina)
Velmeran = Vechloran
Vi Monks= ViMonks2
Woggle = Woggle 0
Wulf= Wulf
Zen Vulgarity= ZenVulgarity (probably the worst poster/player on the forums)

You may also engage in vocal discourse and possible game arrangement via the Penny Arcade Games And Technology Forum Ventrilo Server, an entrance exam for which may be found in this very forum.

...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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  • TI-83+TI-83+ Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Also, Eldar vehicles are driven solely by women

    That explains much.

    Nice OP.

    TI-83+ on
  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Estilo wrote: »
    Even though I'm not a fan of unit comparisons, raveners make a mockery of the new ASM. More health. Faster. Similar ability but you can't tell exactly which unit is going to get it in the arse until they pop up outta the freakn ground. And on top of that they get ranged AV and stealthy options. The only major difference is their armour type, but 1200 health makes it not so noticeable early game.
    If you look carefully, the target area of the Ravener jump-burrow ability actually gains cracks and dust. Not that you have generally have enough time to get out of the way.

    Bethryn on
    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2009
    OP is A++ would read again.

    Just_Bri_Thanks on
    ...and when you are done with that; take a folding
    chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Did somebody help you with the OP?

    Cause it's really good.

    Also, maybe I've been slow, but just looking at that Scout portrait... doesn't he look way older then the Force Commander? Isn't that strange? And he's wearing the Ghostbusters' goggles, isn't he?

    Delta Assault on
  • RetzinskyRetzinsky Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Great OP. Has exactly the right amount of humour and thinly veiled suffering.

    Yeah the Ravener burrow warning is less of a "move away from here quickly!" marker and more of a "this is where I'm going to fuck you, bend over!" marker.

    Retzinsky on
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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Yes how dare a beta not be perfect. Because this is the live patch and not a beta after all.

    Goomba on
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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Basically sums up the current patch.

    SM = Scouts
    Eldar = Banshees
    Tyranids = Do whatever, you'll win anyway if you can click the ravener button
    Orks = Sluggas just about rape everything, only have to really fear Tyranids.

    Albeit it does forget the important Turret spamming + plasma tech marine.
    I love how no matter what patch raveners are overpowered.

    randombattle on
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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    OP is the best OP.

    SJ on
  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    SJ wrote: »
    OP is the best OP.
    One might even say the OP is over powered.

    randombattle on
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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    SJ wrote: »
    OP is the best OP.
    One might even say the OP is over powered.
    One would have to be an amazingly unfunny moron to do so, though.

    Goomba on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • biscuitbutt81biscuitbutt81 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I really really like the patch and I feel that the game is really close (if Relic can adjust a few things) to being extremely good.

    Shootas have benefited from the extended tier 1 so much and are extremely useful now!

    biscuitbutt81 on
  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Albeit it does forget the important Turret spamming + plasma tech marine.
    It's true, although that's not available to every SM. If it were... :winky:
    Did somebody help you with the OP?

    Cause it's really good.

    Also, maybe I've been slow, but just looking at that Scout portrait... doesn't he look way older then the Force Commander? Isn't that strange? And he's wearing the Ghostbusters' goggles, isn't he?
    No help, except the pleasure of several threads with Goomba and Pancake. Thanks!

    His is a tragic story, for once he had a full head of hair giving him a much younger look, but Force Commander Frosted Tips saw it and, in a fit of jealousy, demanded it shorn.

    Bethryn on
    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • EstiloEstilo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Approving of relevant OP.

    @Bethryn

    Honestly never noticed :( Still not quite like chunks of metal man scything through the air! Time to get my squint on against nids...

    Estilo on
  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Estilo wrote: »
    Honestly never noticed :( Still not quite like chunks of metal man scything through the air! Time to get my squint on against nids...
    It's quite hard to see sometimes, especially if you're near cover or on the darker maps.

    Bethryn on
    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.

    Kruite on
  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    SJ wrote: »
    OP is the best OP.
    One might even say the OP is over powered.
    One would have to be an amazingly unfunny moron to do so, though.

    Baby, why you gotta make me hit you?

    SJ on
  • RetzinskyRetzinsky Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Albeit it does forget the important Turret spamming + plasma tech marine.

    For future reference, this is what a Techmarine might look like:
    techmarine.jpg

    Retzinsky on
  • EstiloEstilo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    HAHAHAH

    oh man

    Estilo on
  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?

    Goomba on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Enosh20Enosh20 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Also, maybe I've been slow, but just looking at that Scout portrait... doesn't he look way older then the Force Commander? Isn't that strange? And he's wearing the Ghostbusters' goggles, isn't he?

    I realy don't think there is much of a difrence in looks betwen a 30 year old scout or a 300 years old SM

    Enosh20 on
  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare
    Added.

    @Retzinsky: so good!

    Bethryn on
    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    It's more ridiculous that the melee units for space marines just simply don't work against anything else in melee.

    randombattle on
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  • biscuitbutt81biscuitbutt81 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I like Goomba's sudden face turn.

    biscuitbutt81 on
  • Enosh20Enosh20 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Retzinsky wrote: »
    Aegeri wrote: »
    Albeit it does forget the important Turret spamming + plasma tech marine.

    For future reference, this is what a Techmarine might look like:
    techmarine.jpg

    meh, a plasma dev and in some 10 min the whole thing is gone, they 2 shoot turrets and outrange them

    oh and my gfwl tag is Enosh20, feel free to add me to the big list

    Enosh20 on
  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    It's more ridiculous that the melee units for space marines just simply don't work against anything else in melee.
    Yes why can't my jumping, anti-ranged, unit beat every unit in t1?

    Goomba on
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  • SJSJ College. Forever.Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    Goomba wrote: »
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    It's more ridiculous that the melee units for space marines just simply don't work against anything else in melee.
    Yes why can't my jumping, anti-ranged, unit beat every unit in t1?

    Yeah that's fucking BULLSHIT

    SJ on
  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    But i don't want to depend on me scouts every single game...if I were to play like akira and spam shotgun scouts i would just feel dirty.

    Kruite on
  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    The army units, fair enough, even if I think the numbers need tweaking. But the heroes? I really don't see any other heroes getting a massive Achilles' heel of that sort.

    Bethryn on
    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Add me to the friend list please.

    SomeBug

    Of course, anyone can friend me if you want. I like to play with other humans.


    Also, decent 3v3 on Angel Gate.

    http://files.getdropbox.com/u/856891/6p_angelgate.2009-07-05.01-00-41.rec

    Managed to get royally fucked early game but our team pulled through. Down to 50 points in it.

    - Carnifex really pulls out the shitstorm, killing everything.
    - One hundred stickbommas died in one rush
    - I'm crap and cowardly sit back building turrets the whole game. But also holding our VPs.
    - Venerable dreadnought wasted

    - Angel Gate is a stupid map where the north VP is impossible to hold because of the two buildings either side being immune to grenades or flamers.
    - Also, turrets bug out and perpetually attack vacant buildings for half the game.

    The_Scarab on
  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Kruite wrote: »
    But i don't want to depend on me scouts every single game...if I were to play like akira and spam shotgun scouts i would just feel dirty.
    So play against someone that loves getting ranged units because scouts are the first and best anti-melee marines get.

    Goomba on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    It's more ridiculous that the melee units for space marines just simply don't work against anything else in melee.

    No nonononono, see... ASMs aren't meant to be melee units at all. No melee. Using em wrong. They aren't in the melee business. They're solely meant to jump on suppression teams and tie them up. And then retreat before they get butchered. That's all you use em for.

    It's uh, 500 req and 50 power to accomplish all that, but yea... legit tactics and countering... 1.4's bringing it for realz, yo.

    Delta Assault on
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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    It's more ridiculous that the melee units for space marines just simply don't work against anything else in melee.

    No nonononono, see... ASMs aren't meant to be melee units at all. No melee. Using em wrong. They aren't in the melee business. They're solely meant to jump on suppression teams and tie them up. And then retreat before they get butchered. That's all you use em for.

    It's uh, 500 req and 50 power to accomplish all that, but yea... legit tactics and countering... 1.4's bringing it for realz, yo.
    Yeah except they barely do that.


    And what about the force commander? He's the damn melee hero.

    Can't tell me he isn't ment to be meleeing too.

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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Goomba wrote: »
    Kruite wrote: »
    Its about time you added me to the ranks....so here it is Kruite = Bluflare

    FC is no longer the "melee specialist"; banshees make a mockery of him even before they get their upgrades. It's as if they forgot to give him a melee boost while every other melee unit in the game got one.

    It just saddens me how now Space marines NEED shotgun scouts to counter melee, there is no way around it.
    UGH I need to get the counter to a unit type to counter them? What bullshit is this, Relic?
    It's more ridiculous that the melee units for space marines just simply don't work against anything else in melee.

    No nonononono, see... ASMs aren't meant to be melee units at all. No melee. Using em wrong. They aren't in the melee business. They're solely meant to jump on suppression teams and tie them up. And then retreat before they get butchered. That's all you use em for.

    It's uh, 500 req and 50 power to accomplish all that, but yea... legit tactics and countering... 1.4's bringing it for realz, yo.
    This is true because ASM got a damage nerf so now each attack does an extra point of damage in 1.4 which means ranged units that used to lose to them now completely annhilate them.

    Goomba on
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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2009
    Aegeri wrote: »
    He's too busy frosting his lips to fight.

    Damn son, do you think I got this pretty by fighting in fucking close combat? What the hell do you think I am?
    His lips?

    Goomba on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Enosh20Enosh20 Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    look what I found, they changed some stuff to damage modefiers and sluggas and gaunts got a special kind of armor:

    http://dowcodex.com/Unit:Hormagaunt_Brood
    Armor Type infantry_fire_resist / small

    http://dowcodex.com/Unit:Slugga_Boyz
    infantry_fire_resist / small

    and heavy_armor now takes full dmg frome melee_pvp
    http://dowcodex.com/Info: Damage_Types/pvp/melee_pvp (remove the space bar betwen : and D, stupid forum making a smiley out of it -.-)

    power weapons were buffed to 1.3 dmg to heavy armor from 1.25 in 1.3.2
    http://dowcodex.com/Info:Damage_Types/pvp/melee_power_weapons_pvp

    Enosh20 on
  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I think it's ironic that if they didn't tick heavy armor on all the space marines they would probably be balanced fine now.

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