Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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Scar was knocked into a fire.
And then was eaten by Whoopie Goldberg.
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Scar getting eaten by his "friends," the hyenas is one of the most fitting deaths in any disney movie
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back in the day I was absolutely convinced that the sword Phillip uses in Sleeping Beauty becomes the Sword in the Stone and that they are totally the same sword because of the way the sword looks after he kills Maleficient with it
didn't the bad guy in mulan get exploded by fireworks or some pussy shit
that's "pussy shit"?
what
compared to being eaten alive by whoopi? or being strangled to death?
yes.
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Nothing compares to being eaten alive by Whoopi.
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man Hades got flushed down a toilet full of dead people
man Hades got flushed down a toilet full of dead people
but that probably didn't kill him.
i mean, maybe it did.
but probably not.
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Hades was probably my favorite villain. He just had so much damned style.
But then Scar made all the ladies wetter than a warhog's backside.
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It's like that in every language. Words matched perfectly to the lips of the song.
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Scar is one of my favourite villains hands down.
Also saw UP that was a pretty great movie. I loved Dug.
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So a bunch of crows singing like they just came from a 1930s Harlem jazz club in a cartoon made in 1940 is racist? How would any child get that?
No kid today will get it, but it doesn't make casting crows as black stereotypes any less racist.
Kids in the forties? They got it, I guarantee.
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I don't think kids in the forties would have gotten that. I think that's one of those "cute thing for the kids, inside joke for the adults" kind of thing.
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yeah I don't think the problem is whether or not the kids would get it
if nothing else the kids would just think it was perfectly normal, seeing how things were back then... and maybe that's the problem?
and if that's not the issue, then it's is that adults back then taking their kids to see the movie would get it
and while I dunno it's probably funny for them back then, looking back it's interesting to see how white Disney was
I remember when I was a kid when Jasmine was making Jafar think she was under his spell it made me all kinds of bothered for reasons I couldn't understand
So a bunch of crows singing like they just came from a 1930s Harlem jazz club in a cartoon made in 1940 is racist? How would any child get that?
No kid today will get it, but it doesn't make casting crows as black stereotypes any less racist.
Kids in the forties? They got it, I guarantee.
It's a movie about a bunch of talking animals. How would you have done the scene differently, if you wanted to include a jazz number?
If you really get down to it they're black crows is the worst things you can say. They're sympathetic to the main character where most aren't, they don't serve anyone, and they're intelligent characters aware of the power of self-confidence. That smacks in the face of how African American were stereotyped at the time on stage, in print, and bigoted perception.
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So a bunch of crows singing like they just came from a 1930s Harlem jazz club in a cartoon made in 1940 is racist? How would any child get that?
No kid today will get it, but it doesn't make casting crows as black stereotypes any less racist.
Kids in the forties? They got it, I guarantee.
It's a movie about a bunch of talking animals. How would you have done the scene differently, if you wanted to include a jazz number?
If you really get down to it they're black crows is the worst things you can say. They're sympathetic to the main character where most aren't, they don't serve anyone, and they're intelligent characters aware of the power of self-confidence. That smacks in the face of how African American were stereotyped at the time on stage, in print, and bigoted perception.
the crows are not racist in any way, shape, or form
they are stereotypical, sure, absolutely
at no point is it stated directly or otherwise that all black people act that way
hell, it's tough to make a case that they're even saying all crows act that way
oh man I just checked Wikipedia to see when Dumbo came out
holy shit it's almost a word-for-word you pulled there, otaku
I did yes.
I saw that bit and I thought it was a good, well worded point to share.
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the way they talk and the way they dress is rather stereotypical of the times, I'd imagine
I mean for fuck's sake the leader crow's name is Jim Crow
Oh come on that's just clever wordplay
I suppose but it's not something to be proud of, I'd imagine, being that the Jim Crow laws were still in effect at the time of Dumbo's release
I'm sure that the guys at Disney thought it was hilarious.
No really.
Oh man we're gonna have a black crow and we'll name him Jim! That's wordplay! Pass the cocaine!
not arguing that the guys at Disney thought it was an AWESOME idea
as far as "entertainment for the times" go, yeah, okay it's true that that joke would've been appreciated by those who got it back then
I'm just saying that looking back, well, holy shit
I honestly don't think this song is as bad as the Peter Pan one, because in that one they are singing stereotypical (and inaccurate) shit about themselves, so that's a damn sight worse
So a bunch of crows singing like they just came from a 1930s Harlem jazz club in a cartoon made in 1940 is racist? How would any child get that?
No kid today will get it, but it doesn't make casting crows as black stereotypes any less racist.
Kids in the forties? They got it, I guarantee.
It's a movie about a bunch of talking animals. How would you have done the scene differently, if you wanted to include a jazz number?
If you really get down to it they're black crows is the worst things you can say. They're sympathetic to the main character where most aren't, they don't serve anyone, and they're intelligent characters aware of the power of self-confidence. That smacks in the face of how African American were stereotyped at the time on stage, in print, and bigoted perception.
the crows are not racist in any way, shape, or form
they are stereotypical, sure, absolutely
at no point is it stated directly or otherwise that all black people act that way
hell, it's tough to make a case that they're even saying all crows act that way
Yes, this.
It was an isolated scene in the film that didn't really carry over or drag out enough to make a point of any sort. It's silly to get huffy over it.
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I know I just laughed my ass off when I heard that the red man first said ugh when he saw his mother in law.
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And then was eaten by Whoopie Goldberg.
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All the nightmares
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That fucking tunnel in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory?
Fuck that.
Satans..... hints.....
that's "pussy shit"?
what
yes.
i mean, maybe it did.
but probably not.
But then Scar made all the ladies wetter than a warhog's backside.
Wait that's not right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0AiN8vrn9Y
"it's all just a matter of pride"
oh gosh
dude rhymed era with nearer
Banzai, Shenzi, and Ed
Here's what amazes me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKOJ5bEKPLY&feature=related
It's like that in every language. Words matched perfectly to the lips of the song.
Also saw UP that was a pretty great movie. I loved Dug.
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To take certain duties on board."
No kid today will get it, but it doesn't make casting crows as black stereotypes any less racist.
Kids in the forties? They got it, I guarantee.
if nothing else the kids would just think it was perfectly normal, seeing how things were back then... and maybe that's the problem?
and if that's not the issue, then it's is that adults back then taking their kids to see the movie would get it
and while I dunno it's probably funny for them back then, looking back it's interesting to see how white Disney was
whereas that was every fairy tale villain's go-to solution
Jafar was an outside-the-box thinker and wouldn't normally come up with something so pedestrian without a suggestion from someone else.
It's a movie about a bunch of talking animals. How would you have done the scene differently, if you wanted to include a jazz number?
If you really get down to it they're black crows is the worst things you can say. They're sympathetic to the main character where most aren't, they don't serve anyone, and they're intelligent characters aware of the power of self-confidence. That smacks in the face of how African American were stereotyped at the time on stage, in print, and bigoted perception.
Up is amazing but I have gone on about that movie enough
I mean for fuck's sake the leader crow's name is Jim Crow
holy shit it's almost a word-for-word you pulled there, otaku
Oh come on that's just clever wordplay
I suppose but it's not something to be proud of, I'd imagine, being that the Jim Crow laws were still in effect at the time of Dumbo's release
the crows are not racist in any way, shape, or form
they are stereotypical, sure, absolutely
at no point is it stated directly or otherwise that all black people act that way
hell, it's tough to make a case that they're even saying all crows act that way
I did yes.
I saw that bit and I thought it was a good, well worded point to share.
I'm sure that the guys at Disney thought it was hilarious.
No really.
Oh man we're gonna have a black crow and we'll name him Jim! That's wordplay! Pass the cocaine!
not arguing that the guys at Disney thought it was an AWESOME idea
as far as "entertainment for the times" go, yeah, okay it's true that that joke would've been appreciated by those who got it back then
I'm just saying that looking back, well, holy shit
I honestly don't think this song is as bad as the Peter Pan one, because in that one they are singing stereotypical (and inaccurate) shit about themselves, so that's a damn sight worse
but I dunno, it's still bad
Yes, this.
It was an isolated scene in the film that didn't really carry over or drag out enough to make a point of any sort. It's silly to get huffy over it.