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Why Do People in the UK Hate their Flag?
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I actually remember now seeing a projection of two graphs based on Swedish research - when education started to pick up here; suicide rates went up rapidly and murder rates decreased rapidly. So critical thinking leads to Swedes offing themselves instead of eachother.
E-hugs to Cristo, my Danish adversary!
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
But generally it's pretty high in Scandinavia since we live 8 - 9 months out of 12 in dank, rainy grayness.
University is free though!
Well, the Dutch and the French. Both had global domination within their reach until the Brits punted them in the head.
Eh, that really depends, and failing to have any control over something doesn't really seem like a good precondition for being able to like it.
That's not the least bit comparable to nationalism.
Then your problem isn't with pride so much as with stunted reasoning undergirding a feeling of pride.
That is impropery punctuated for the actual recitation of the pledge. Remember, these are 6 year olds, and thus in order to remember it it must be singsongy.
Both involve taking pride in the accomplishments of others whose only similarity to you is a freak accident.
Yeah, and that's usually what I see from self-proclaimed nationalist. If you ask them, they'll tell you that 'Murrica is perfect in every single way, and always has been.
Because it clashes with the sunset?
Because sometime in the '80s
The Great and the Good
Gave way to the
Greedy and the Mean
You could work on that.
There are varying kinds of freak accidents or relationships. It would be more akin to taking pride in your family tree or similar than due to specific genetic mutations.
I think you're confusing nationalism with jingoism.
Everyone knows that the only feeling you should have for your country is shame in it's wrong doings.
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Just playin, I never bring that shit up.
Man, the Union Flag/Jack is a very pretty flag though. We should have just stolen it.
I don't quite get the 'indivisible' aspect of it. I mean, we are divisible. In fact there are 51 divisions at the absolute least. It seems like a crappy reversal/reduction of E Pluribus Unum.
More like the Union is indivisible.
After that whole civil war thing.
Seriously don't try that again South Carolina we will make every inch of your hellscape peach orchards burn.
Actually, with Obama in office, we should just re-write the thing to be the word "indivisible" over and over again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
There was also the exploitative policies against conquered territories, massive amounts of slaves from conquests with possibly 1/4 of the population being enslaved, and extremely brutal practices such as mass crucifixions.
I put forth the idea that you've never in your life met an immigrant.
Without nationalism we still wouldn't be holding hands and singing in some global government.
British publisher and writer Ernest Benn [1875-1954]
The ends don't justify the means -- especially when the means are imperialistic and the ends include the forced cultural assimilation of entire civilizations.
Your use of language like "pretty much everything people blame the empire for" and "how people in Africa got their kicks" betrays a lack of confidence in your own argument, a degree of ignorance in regards to the actual history of British imperialism, and a total lack of concern for the millions upon millions of individuals who did not participate in "slavery, genocide and war" and nonetheless suffered unduly as a result of said imperialism. You may want to read a book before continuing down this road.
Cinco de Mayo is a pretty popular holiday with the Mexican immigrants here... and they had to work pretty hard to immigrate here.
And there shouldn't be that ongoing healthcare debate? What works good in other nations won't necessarily won't good in your own nation. If every nation just followed a popular trend at the moment, who knows where the hell we would end up?
British publisher and writer Ernest Benn [1875-1954]
The only time you see lots of flags is during the world cup or what have you. Then there will be millions of cheap St. George's crosses everywhere.
Don't forget Ireland and India, hell people are dying right now in Sri Lanka because of the shit the British pulled.
That’s so when we travel people don’t think we’re American. No offense meant its just a safety precaution and saves us from getting bitched at.
Next to no one flies Canadian flags at their homes. Its actually way more common to see ex-Americans flying their old flag here than to see people flying the Maple Leaf.
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You do realize that international travel isn't like they portray in National Lampoons, right?
Actually, when I went to France and Spain in High School, the company organising the trip fully recommended we sew a Canadian flag on our bags to reduce the chance of hassle.
I’m not entirely sure to be honest. Probably has to do with it being a simple, easily recognized symbol that can represent both the English and French whom have some bitterness between them. Maple trees also exist in every one of our provinces so its not leaving anyone out (except possibly the territories).
I’m aware of the different attitudes you will encounter from the natives traveling overseas based on whether someone thinks you are American or Canadian particularly in western Europe. Hint the Canadian one is preferable except in Paris, they aren't nice to anyone.
My feelings towards nationalism are a mix of disdain and confusion, but that is one flag I wouldn't mind seeing waved more often.
On the pledge thing, I had to do it till about 2nd grade when I think one of the Jehovah's parents complained and they stopped doing it. It was the same year Christmas vacation became winter vacation.
Munster
Leinster
Connacht
Ulster
So, they had plenty of material there to make an awesome looking flag. What did they come up with?
They decided to copy the French tricolore. Of course. The sensible choice. Arses! The green represents "us". The orange represents "them up there". And the white represents the peace that's meant to exist between the two. It's a shame they went with such a boring choice because the flags of Ireland's past are more interesting. The flag of Leinster for example, was from the 17th century to the 20th century the unofficial flag of Ireland. The British royal standard flag also contains an ancient Irish flag in the bottom left corner -
And no, I don't know why the sizes of the flags keep decreasing. Blame Wikipedia.
Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
Always liked the Israeli flag too, though. Blue and white is a pleasing colour combination.
Pity our flag is... eh. A few stars and a union jack. Hooray.
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Actually, that's pretty much the poster child for what one isn't supposed to do with a flag. It has either writing or scrollwork, tiny little triangles, and a highly complex, thin outline. It shows up badly from the ground and is hard to draw. They might as well have put their seal/coat of arms on the thing. At least they didn't put more than four colors on it or put two similar colors of equal brightness next to each other (like Arizona did).
Really, a lot of state flags need fixing. For Massachusetts, we could simply use a slightly reworked version of the old obverse (the flag used to be different on either side, like Oregon). If that doesn't work, we could get rid of the motto and crest and enlarge the shield enough to dominate the flag. Hell, we could just use the crest or its basis, the state military crest, because who doesn't want their flag to be an arm brandishing a sword? I guess we're still better than most of the states, though (especially Vermont, Kansas, New Hampshire, Delaware, Idaho, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Montana, Minnesota, Nebraska, and Wyoming, with Montana, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, Maine, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, North Dakota, South Dakota [twice], Utah, Washington, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Idaho having the dubious honor of being the states that need to write their names on their flags to remember what they are [New Hampshire and Washington actually say "seal of the state of {X}," making them the only flags that are factually incorrect]).
The best state flag is, of course, that of Maryland. Just try not to stare out it for too long, as it will give you a headache. The worst is clearly the 2001 Georgia flag:
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