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AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin KoopantinoRegistered User regular
I would just like to make a suggestion. New comers to the boards have a severe tendancy to completely miss the rules, and go forth spreading filth about the boards in the form of pointless, often times redundant threads.

I believe that all newly registered forumers should recieve an automatic 2 week jail term in order to discourage bad posting, and encourage lurking and rule reading. I've seen similar processes used in other forums and it seems to work quite well as far as cutting down on the useless threads full of "n00b flaming" and bad grammar. This way new forumers would be able to get a feel for the forums, and hopefully divert them from the deadly mistake that is the "Hi, I'm new!" thread.

EDIT: darkmayo suggests we call it "Quarantine." Good idea.

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  • 8.3 Fl Oz8.3 Fl Oz Registered User
    edited February 2004
    It isn't going to stop it. It will mean that we have to deal with a stupid post 2 weeks later.

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  • MrFisticuffsMrFisticuffs Registered User
    edited February 2004
    That may be a bit extreme. I do however agree that the past two weeks have been an overwhelming avalanche of stupid. But most of then register, drop one awful new topic, make one or two replies in it, then vanish. I don't think jailing them or putting them on probabtion would really have a significant impact.

    Rather than bumping the bad thread for three days so everyone can get their insult in, why not just leave it alone so it vanishes into obscurity?

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    I wish there was someway we could cram the rules down their throats. I had a discussion with a member who joined in June and didn't know it was ok to discuss your pirated software collection.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Perhaps. But it should put a dent in the frequency of stupid threads we recieve. I believe it is the best way to go about it without turning off registration all together, and still allowing new comers some amount of activity within the boards.

    I do not think it's extreme. I've been to boards that don't allow you to post at all for your first 2 weeks. A little quarantine I think would provide a nice safety measure.

    As far as those useless threads that do get made and repeatedly bumped, they should undergo immediate lockage. Can deputy's lock threads? If not, perhaps they should be able to. Theres a thread in G&T right now that needs to be locked, badly.

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  • 8.3 Fl Oz8.3 Fl Oz Registered User
    edited February 2004
    I wish there was someway we could cram the rules down their throats. I had a discussion with a member who joined in June and didn't know it was ok to discuss your pirated software collection.
    We have our ways of jamming things down people's throats in SE++ ...

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    What if when they got their account activation email, their account wasn't actually activated. The email would link to the various rule threads, and say their password would start to work at a set time in the future, say 2-3 days. Therefore, you'd know that absolutely every single person who registered after (if) the system was implimented would have had the rules handed to them, and if they proceded to break those rules on their first/second/third post etc, it would be an instaban offense. Sort of like "This email is your warning. Fuck up and you're gone."

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    This wouldn't reduce "Hi I'm new" threads at all, if they're jailed they can still make that first post.

    It would however lead to more "how do I post imagaes" threads.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    I've thought about that, but when was the last time you actually read the terms of agreement for a game you were installing, or a site you were joining?

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  • WallyWally Registered User
    edited February 2004
    What if when they got their account activation email, their account wasn't actually activated. The email would link to the various rule threads, and say their password would start to work at a set time in the future, say 2-3 days. Therefore, you'd know that absolutely every single person who registered after (if) the system was implimented would have had the rules handed to them, and if they proceded to break those rules on their first/second/third post etc, it would be an instaban offense. Sort of like "This email is your warning. Fuck up and you're gone."

    I like the idea of including rules with the activation e-mail a lot.. Maybe no insta-ban though, perhaps just two warnings, then a ban, then a perma unless in extreme circumstances (goatse, etc).

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    I've thought about that, but when was the last time you actually read the terms of agreement for a game you were installing, or a site you were joining?

    They'd have to read the activation email though, to know their account has been activated. So if they miss the linking to rules there, they're too dumb to be a forumer in the first place. It puts the responsibility on them to read the rules and know them, as opposed to the mods/regs pointing the rules out when someone new breaks them.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    This wouldn't reduce "Hi I'm new" threads at all, if they're jailed they can still make that first post.

    It would however lead to more "how do I post imagaes" threads.

    True. New idea for quarantine:

    Deactivated "New Topic" button for 2 weeks. Post reply still possible.

    Make it clear to the new comer that the rules will be enforced weather they bothered to read them or not, so they had best read them.

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    This wouldn't reduce "Hi I'm new" threads at all, if they're jailed they can still make that first post.

    It would however lead to more "how do I post imagaes" threads.

    True. New idea for quarantine:

    Deactivated "New Topic" button for 2 weeks. Post reply still possible.

    Make it clear to the new comer that the rules will be enforced weather they bothered to read them or not, so they had best read them.

    Would work for regular noobs, however, goat.se in threads is harder to clean up than goat.se topics.

    I don't see anything too wrong with the current system personally.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    I say everytime someone posts something stupid we set it up so that when they try to access the forums again all they get is the image of Orthanc's belly.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    Orthanc wrote:
    This wouldn't reduce "Hi I'm new" threads at all, if they're jailed they can still make that first post.

    It would however lead to more "how do I post imagaes" threads.

    True. New idea for quarantine:

    Deactivated "New Topic" button for 2 weeks. Post reply still possible.

    Make it clear to the new comer that the rules will be enforced weather they bothered to read them or not, so they had best read them.

    Would work for regular noobs, however, goat.se in threads is harder to clean up than goat.se topics.

    I don't see anything too wrong with the current system personally.

    Mods can edit posts. Any newbie that pulls something like that obviously does not want to be here, because thats begging for a perma-ban.

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  • 8.3 Fl Oz8.3 Fl Oz Registered User
    edited February 2004
    I say everytime someone posts something stupid we set it up so that when they try to access the forums again all they get is the image of Orthanc's belly.
    Seriously. Guys, even if we were a paying forum (pay to join) you are still going to get nimrods joining and then posting a "Hi! Hit me!" thread.

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    Orthanc wrote:
    This wouldn't reduce "Hi I'm new" threads at all, if they're jailed they can still make that first post.

    It would however lead to more "how do I post imagaes" threads.

    True. New idea for quarantine:

    Deactivated "New Topic" button for 2 weeks. Post reply still possible.

    Make it clear to the new comer that the rules will be enforced weather they bothered to read them or not, so they had best read them.

    Would work for regular noobs, however, goat.se in threads is harder to clean up than goat.se topics.

    I don't see anything too wrong with the current system personally.

    Mods can edit posts. Any newbie that pulls something like that obviously does not want to be here, because thats begging for a perma-ban.

    Mods have to find it first. Threads are easier to clean up than posts within otherwise good threads.

    And I'd rather just be able to spot and avoid goat.se threads rather than have it show up in the threads I'm browsing.

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  • OrthancOrthanc Death Lite, Only 1 Calorie Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    8.3 Fl Oz wrote:
    I say everytime someone posts something stupid we set it up so that when they try to access the forums again all they get is the image of Orthanc's belly.
    Seriously. Guys, even if we were a paying forum (pay to join) you are still going to get nimrods joining and then posting a "Hi! Hit me!" thread.

    Raijin is just obsessed with my belly.

    Get in my belly

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    8.3 Fl Oz wrote:
    I say everytime someone posts something stupid we set it up so that when they try to access the forums again all they get is the image of Orthanc's belly.
    Seriously. Guys, even if we were a paying forum (pay to join) you are still going to get nimrods joining and then posting a "Hi! Hit me!" thread.

    Raijin is just obsessed with my belly.

    Get in my belly

    Its almost as hairy as the giant hairy Yeti's of the Serengeti.

    Problem here is as long as morons exist every internet forum will be full of them. There is no way to prevent idiot posts or threads. Telling someone you can't make a thread for 2 weeks or whatever would just postpone the inevitable.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Orthanc wrote:
    Orthanc wrote:
    Orthanc wrote:
    This wouldn't reduce "Hi I'm new" threads at all, if they're jailed they can still make that first post.

    It would however lead to more "how do I post imagaes" threads.

    True. New idea for quarantine:

    Deactivated "New Topic" button for 2 weeks. Post reply still possible.

    Make it clear to the new comer that the rules will be enforced weather they bothered to read them or not, so they had best read them.

    Would work for regular noobs, however, goat.se in threads is harder to clean up than goat.se topics.

    I don't see anything too wrong with the current system personally.

    Mods can edit posts. Any newbie that pulls something like that obviously does not want to be here, because thats begging for a perma-ban.

    Mods have to find it first. Threads are easier to clean up than posts within otherwise good threads.

    And I'd rather just be able to spot and avoid goat.se threads rather than have it show up in the threads I'm browsing.

    Either way, I think goatse is inevitable. Besides, a good forumer would surely fire off a PM to any mod to inform of a goatse posting within a thread. I know I would, I don't need to see that, and I would want whoever did it to have their ass banned promptly.

    I firmly believe a quarantine would effectively cut down on useless threads. The only casualty would be perhaps a stupid post popping up within a thread here and there, though I feel that is much less likely when the topic is not one chosen by the newbie making the post. At least it would not clutter the boards with locked threads that should have never existed.

    A more extreme measure would perhaps to be revoking all posting privledges for 1 week to newbies. If they can't wait out a week of no posting, then they are probably someone we really don't want posting here anyhow.

    The only way to be effectively sure that all newbies had read the rules, would be to somehow quiz them on it before allowing them to post. But that is rediculous. I feel a quarantine is the best solution to the flood of stupid we have been awash in. Second only to shutting off registration all together.

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  • futilityfutility Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    what if we shot them in the head
    no that's illegal

    what if we banned them off the bat
    that's really extreme, besides not all noobs do bad

    what if we forced them to read the rules
    to what? there are no truly standard rules

    what if we made sure they were all resposible members of society?
    like you

    yes
    looked in a mirror lately?

    grrr I hate noobs
    don't hate the game hate the players. Like I said not every noob is bad. Yes some are down right evil off the bat, but not all of them, some lurk and then are bad, while others are just all good.

    so what can I do to avoid the noob problem
    short of your just leaving the phorum there's nothing you can do.
    well that's not entirely true, you can try being nice to the noobs and help them better integrate into the community... like that's ever going to happen.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    *sigh*

    yes we all hate stupid noobs.

    but really, it isn't ALL that bad. off all the threads in SE++ you can ignore one.

    on top of that, some people need to vent at something/someone. stupid people on forums = fodder for venting.

    just remember: without noobs, we wouldn't have flames

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  • WallyWally Registered User
    edited February 2004
    without noobs, we wouldn't have flames

    The beaver makes an excellent point.

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  • futilityfutility Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    what cause no one ever flames regulars

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  • StarfuckStarfuck Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    Why punish someone for what they might do? That's pretty lame.

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  • Captain CanuckCaptain Canuck Registered User
    edited February 2004
    Starfuck wrote:
    Why punish someone for what they might do? That's pretty lame.

    Hey, it worked for Minority Report.

    Besides, that means that Tom Cruise will be the focus of attention sometime in the future. He's so hunky.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Starfuck wrote:
    Why punish someone for what they might do? That's pretty lame.

    It's not so much punishment, as it is poor wording in the suggestion in this thread (using Jail, iknstead of suggestion to remove their new topic creating possibilities.)

    An example of a mostly working system like this would be the Goats forum (which stole the idea from elsewhere, mind you). At the Goats forum, each forumer has an ammount of "karma" points, that are mostly the sum of moderation to their posts. You see, every post has a natural karma ranking of 1, but can be modded up or down by forumers with moderation points (randomly selected forumers are given five moderation points each from time to time.) When a post by a forumer is moderated, they gain or lose personal karma points equal to the action taken on their post. A forumer must have five personal karma points to make a new thread, meaning that anyone who is able to make a thread must have had AT LEAST five meaningful posts already, more if any of their posts had been modded down.

    Now, I don't think this entire system would work out over here, but using it as an "inspiration", or sorts, I think that maybe some system could be devised where a new forumer would some how have to "prove that they aren't a complete fucking moron" before being able to make a new thread.

    I like this better than the idea of having them wait two weeks, since they might not read the forums at all in those two weeks, where a system like this forces them to have been active.

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  • StarfuckStarfuck Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    I have heard of that karma points. I doubt that would work here. Highly doubt it.

    But maybe disabling the new topic button for a couple of weeks would work, but then again, after 2 weeks you'll have a bunch of "OMG I can make threadz now!" topics popping up.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Exactly, I didn't even realize I was registered here for the first two months, and then just showed up and started posting.

    The karma wouldn't work in a forum this large, not by any means, but maybe connecting topic making abilities to post count would be better. I'm not sure what post count it ought to be, but anyone who just spams their way up to that post count could be banned (since there would be a warning about that in the rules thread).

    Of course, there have always been forumers who post very little but add a lot, but A) they tend not to make new threads that often, B) it is a small price to pay to get rid of so many crap threads, and C) perhaps there would be a code implimented to allow mods to manually give deserving noobs the ability to make posts.

    Of course, that last suggestion is probably asking a lot of ramius, since I don't know how easy it would be to create that code.

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  • Captain CanuckCaptain Canuck Registered User
    edited February 2004
    I've been to forums with systems like that, and frankly I wasn't a big fan of it. Everywhere I've went it's turned into a popularity contest or went to shit. Not that I'm being like one of those kids that gets picked last in gym class or anything, but that's just what happened to it.

    Everybody go take a look at GameFAQs right now so we can figure out a way to avoid the system they have.

    EDIT: Hey hey, Evander, remember when we used to have postcount here? Remember how people would try to flaunt that to win arguments? I've seen it happen a zillion times before. I rather like the system we're currently in, even though we get the occasional hiccup in uniformity.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Actually, we still have postcounts here, they just aren't displayed. They are kept in the database, though.

    I'm not suggesting any postcount would be viewable.

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  • FerryFerry Registered User
    edited February 2004
    Gamefaqs point system is neccessarily bad, its just the people using it that make it bad.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Yes. Basically, what I think it comes down to is disabling the New Topic button for new comers for either a set amount of time, or until it can be determined that he or she is not a total asshead.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    honestly, the time thing will be totally useless. post number is the way to go.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Evander wrote:
    honestly, the time thing will be totally useless. post number is the way to go.

    As long as we don't have idiots posting like mad to reach the designated post count in order to be able to make their own topics. It should be a number of GOOD posts.

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Evander wrote:
    honestly, the time thing will be totally useless. post number is the way to go.

    As long as we don't have idiots posting like mad to reach the designated post count in order to be able to make their own topics. It should be a number of GOOD posts.

    The problem is that words like "good" are subjective.

    Make it a high enough number that Mods would notice anyone spaming their way up to it, and anyone who does so will recieve a name ban and have to start over.

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  • FerryFerry Registered User
    edited February 2004
    These systems are all too damn complex and contrived.

    I think the best system is flaming the fuck out of idiots so that they learn thier lesson.

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  • CombustibleCombustible Registered User
    edited February 2004
    No matter what you do with forum changes, you will always manage to piss someone off. Working into a Karma system would be better, but the karma should be based on three values to make it simple...

    1 - You can start threads
    0 - You can only reply
    -1 - You can only read

    Obviously the -1 would be like a temp-ban... Self expiring after say, a day or so? This is how I had 3dpower setup and it worked pretty well. Each post would have a little + or - icon on it, and each "hit" on the icon would register a vote for or against, with each vote being worth a set value- and no vote at all being worth half that ammount.

    Sounds complex I know but its really simple, 100 page views with no votes would come out to 50 votes worth of positive hits.

    The thing is that I dont think PHPBB is set up to do this kind of ranking. It would be a pretty extensive hack to add it if not, I have only worked on modding UBB and IKonboard...

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  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2004
    we don't really get all that many stupid noobs. and the ones we do just keep things interesting.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2004
    Evander wrote:
    Evander wrote:
    honestly, the time thing will be totally useless. post number is the way to go.

    As long as we don't have idiots posting like mad to reach the designated post count in order to be able to make their own topics. It should be a number of GOOD posts.

    The problem is that words like "good" are subjective.

    Make it a high enough number that Mods would notice anyone spaming their way up to it, and anyone who does so will recieve a name ban and have to start over.

    how about not telling them about the post number and letting them figgure it out

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  • EvanderEvander Registered User regular
    edited February 2004
    Evander wrote:
    Evander wrote:
    honestly, the time thing will be totally useless. post number is the way to go.

    As long as we don't have idiots posting like mad to reach the designated post count in order to be able to make their own topics. It should be a number of GOOD posts.

    The problem is that words like "good" are subjective.

    Make it a high enough number that Mods would notice anyone spaming their way up to it, and anyone who does so will recieve a name ban and have to start over.

    how about not telling them about the post number and letting them figgure it out

    They'll spam until the button works anyway.

    Also, it feels a bit elitist and secretive.

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