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I'm saying that if it comes out and sucks, it will be much much harder to convince my friends to give the RDM version a try. And that pisses me off greatly.
Sorry guys.
As far as whether this movie being a pile of shit (if that's what it becomes) making it harder to get people into BSG, I'm okay. My attempts go as such.
step 1) "Have you seen BSG? It's really fucking good."
step 2) Shove dvd set of season 1 in their hands.
step 3) "Get it back to me whenever."
That's it. Anything beyond that is wasted effort. I've got plenty of friends who don't watch it and don't like it. Sucks for them. Would suck more if I bugged em about it, so I don't.
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So now, when brand recognition is high an competing studios are doing well with similar-themed material, they're going full-tilt on yet another version?
It's more than frustrating. It's insulting.
2. Nuclear armaggeddon. Final Five were probably the only survivors that actually made it anywhere.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/86521/battlestar-galactica-the-plan---comic-con-trailer#s-p1-st-i1
Why? Because he is competing with a definitive version of the show. In the future people when people think about BSG, they will automaticaly think of nBSG. Not the original, certainly not the 1980s version, but the series that was so good the UN changed its charter because of it.
Its kinda like King Kong. Peter Jacksons version was good, it had great effects and was respectfull to the original, but in the end people will remember the 1933 original.
At least Jackson had the decency to wait three decades since the last version of the tale. Universal signed this deal before the last episode (The Plan) has aired and before the spin-off even saw its first episode.
In other news, apparently Patton Oswalt is joining Caprica as a recurrent character who runs a TV chat show.
In terms of some peoples' questions though, it's important to consider that God, or Gods, or some higher power, is very much an influence in the BSG universe. Head Six and Head Baltar can be seen as the voice of God, guiding a representative of each race to realise what they need to in order to achieve part of his vision (in this case his teachings, and the safety of Hera and her progeny). Starbuck, likewise, is the hand of God. She was always a guidance for the fleet, but since her death she became much more integral in pushing the two races towards another part of God's vision (in this case, the future home of humanity and humanity's creations).
It is somewhat flimsy, but if one accepts that yes, there is a much higher power at work (as was hinted at, then outright accpeted, though only discussed in that one final scene with Baltar), it cleans up a lot of the other stuff.
Either way, even without those few God-based mysteries, like the head characters, Starbuck, and Roslin's visions etc, we did at least get a very solid, very cohesive story of the entire history of the cylons, the thirteenth tribe, and indeed all the important bits of history driving all three races (human, cylon, final five) through the galaxy and up to where the miniseries begins.
In other thoughts, I hope The Plan sells well, so that we get more BSG. I'd love to see something during the year on New Caprica, though it'd be hard to do so without Cylons. I don't think something like a racism plot (which they had planned for the end of season three but changed later on) would really sell that much. Though seeing a movie with one half of the story on New Cap with human problems, and one with the Cylons wondering where humans have gone (almost a sequel to The Plan, given that around New Cap time the plan changed significantly) could be good.
Perhaps a Cylon War flashback would be awesome too, showing the actual original Cylon war. It could tie together both the Caprica and BSG storylines quite tidily, showing some of the characters of each, with the characters from Caprica older and dealing with their creations rising up, and the characters from BSG younger and fighting them.
Now, watch as I talk about the finale.
The only reason they'd be making a theatrical version without any of the nBSG people involved is a desire to cash in on the name without having to pay off any of the people responsible for making it something worth cashing in on.
:P Fair point. I guess I was mostly saying 'try to avoid "I HATED THE FINALE BECAUSE...", "NO IT WAS FINE BECAUSE...", because those're opinions and don't get us anywhere.'
Interpretation of the content in terms of understanding the plot is all good though!
I had to ignore the last BSG thread since I hadnt actually seen any of Season 4.5, and had to wait for it to come out on DVD.
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I'm still sorta curious why the attack on Cylon Earth was so much more effective than the attack on the 12 Colonies. Unless the attack on the colonies was part of the plan to force the 2 races to get together on Earth.
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For what its worth I happen to agree with your analysis. I just found the juxtaposition amusing
I'm not sure how many resistance cells formed on the other colonies, but Halo survived for a while with his anti-radiation meds, and Sams resistance fighters all survived up in the mountains, and thats all just on Caprica.
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There certainly are survivors; whether they survive the ensuing nuclear winter, maybe, maybe not. But 150,000 years later, when the survivors of our Earth are fleeing on board the UNS Galactic from a revolt from Microsoft's Cylon XP gone rogue after Service Pack 10, we'll be very happy that we can go in search of the ancient, mysterious "Twelve Colonies" as foretold by Graham Hancock.
Kind of amusing that the survivors on the 12 colonies will be living much better lives than their compatriots who settled on new earth after the initiation of the Lee Adama plan
Depends on how bad the nuclear winter is. I'd take "garden of eden" over "the road" any day. But we really, really shouldn't get into this argument again. It doesn't go anywhere.
I think we have to find and settle on Kobol again to become the Lords of Kobol before we seperate out again.
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JESUS CHRIST DON'T START THIS UP AGAIN.
Bit of a waste to copy it all, thank god its spoilered. I'm going to disagree with you about the boycotting the film, I think if it looks crap then there's no reason to go watch it, and maybe, if everyone starts doing that, Hollywood will be forced to make something original, something good that isn't just a blatant money grab filled with people who can't act, or the same five actors that seem to do every large budget film ever.
I'm going to agree with you on the point that there's a lot of material they could use from the First War, and I'd love it if they would make an excuse to just fill it with lots of action, not worrying so much about character development, in a hope it will make people feel left out and more likely to see Caprica to fill in the blanks. Brave, perhaps foolish, but interesting I think.
Finally, what were people's opinions of Caprica? I loved the little robot doorman thing, but otherwise wasn't that thrilled by it. I don't think the explanation for how the virtual her was the same as the real one wa strong enough, and a few other things seemed silly. It's a while since I watched it but I was left with a sense that it was a bit rushed? AS a pilot I guess it had to sell itself, set up the story, it would have been nice to have the exposition to her father come later in the series though.
Which is why the finale sucked so much!
Dude, I was disagreeing with the idea that it would be better to live in a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland than it would be to a pre-civilizational undeveloped landscape, not that it would be a good idea to do the second. I thought I was pretty fucking clear about that, get a grip.
Jesus, fuck.
That's not what I'm really arguing against, though, and I made sure to include that specific instance in the list of things I get, because the above is at least based on stuff like a trailer, a synopsis, a couple movie reviews. If it looks crap, that means there was at least something to look AT. talking about "boycotting" this BSG movie before anything even resembling a script has been written seems grandstandingly petulant and premature, and again, I say this after grandstanding and whining my balls off for 3 straight days last week.
We don't know if it actually looks crap, yet. If it does, then I get it. But right now, the parallels between Moore/Eick fans and BSG fans in 2002 are really similar. I'm not saying the movie WON'T be shit. I'm just saying it's better to wait until we have evidence that Universal is fucking the dog before we start getting seriously up in arms.
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EVERYTHING WILL BE REVEALED!
...except at least half the questions the series has brought up!
It really saddens me that it took such a shit after the mutiny arc (which was incredible.) I really wish I could recommend this show to people, but knowing how it ends I just can't do it. It would be a cruel thing to do.
When you step away from it, the Deus Ex Machina was so literal and hilarious that I cannot believe anyone could take anything away other than "that was the worst bed shitting I have ever seen in my life."
I don't think a wait-and-see attitude is an appropriate stance. A new remake is completely bereft of artistic merit because the concept was just done. PERFECTLY.
Also, we are not completely without information. We know that Bryan Singer is doing it. This is the guy who made X-Men and fucking Superman Returns, itself a masturbatory shitty remake of a shitty 80s movie. Yeah he also did Usual Suspects, but what has he done since then? X-Men 2 was okay but otherwise, the answer is junk.
It may be kind of amusing in a "hey that's kind of amusing" sort of way that fan backlash to this new movie is reminiscent of fan backlash to the 2003 BSG reimagining. But the difference is the 2003 BSG show is not uncommmonly considered to be one of the best television shows ever made. Whereas the 70s BSG show is not uncommonly considered to be one of the silliest shows ever made. So I don't think it's terribly important to try and avoid somehow being hypocritical when the circumstances are not comparable to any reasonable degree.
You're echoing my thoughts exactly.
While any judgment is premature and unfair without viewing of the final product, I think we already have enough circumstantial evidence on hand to justify a cautious cynicism. A la,:
- Deal brokered by Glen Larson, the hack behind original BSG.
- Bryan Singer brought on board, a director who is as clueless as he is intermittently brilliant.
- Once-remade series still ongoing, critically beloved.
- Deal fast-tracked by studio without any script or story.
Outside the better-than-average result of The Usual Suspects, I literally have nothing to assuage my doubts on this.
They can't even make a prequel because hey Caprica.
Singer strikes me as a guy thats at the mercy of his actors. If He got good ones(usual suspects) he is golden. Got bad ones (Superman Returns) he is boring. I can't think of anything visual in cojunction to those movies, nothing that stands out and says "there is a director on this thing"
When a finale completely invalidates what came before it in a show, there is no way to divorce the two. People want to talk about it, and its ludicrous to think that they wont just because you don't want to.