[WoW] [Chat] War never changes. Warcraft has changed.

Munkus Beaver

Proxy hunters fight in proxy WSGs with their proxy (consolidated) stats and their proxy mana (focus).

Arkan

Good god that last threat filled up fast. I swear it was at like 60 before the opening ceremony started.

Thomamelas

Expansions do that.

-SPI-

with proxy ammo

Munkus Beaver

I just realized that blizzard has been convincing us for the past year that they didn't want to put flying in azeroth because they wanted to focus on new content.

Those fuckers and their red herring.

(I also doubt that the company that kept SC2 secret for so long 'leaked' anything unintentionally. This looks like a pretty damn shrewd move to get a lot of buzz before their con. And it worked you see?)

Lucascraft

Gotta say, my impressions of Cataclysm are split. My decision to continue playing WoW past Lich King is going to be largely dependent on the state of my character at the end of Icecrown. If I have Shadowmourne and if it appears that Shadowmourne will still be relevant to the end game at 85, I will be much more likely to stick around than if I am wearing a bunch of junk epics that will likely be replaced in the first month of the expansion.

Things that interest me:
-- Archeology and the alternate advancement of Path of the Titans
-- Fighting Deathwing
-- Reforging
-- Guild Perks and the guild talent tree

Things I don't really give a rats ass about:
-- Goblins
-- Worgen
-- Newbie zones
-- Underwater dungeons
-- Fighting Ragnaros again, for the millionth time

JJ

I agree with what Munkus said in that last thread. I could live without having to regularly check EJ.

Munkus Beaver

I also like that since GC has been the design face for WoW, the game has slowly became more like what we were promised back before vanilla came out.

"remember vanilla wow? Well THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT"

*guitar solo*

Undead Scottsman

So they're getting rid of tons of shitty stats, making haste do something awesome, and reinvisioning the hunter class? AND we're getting playable goblins and a new 1-60 experience?

Oh god dammit Blizzard.. Quit making me give you money!

-SPI-

It going to be weird having Ashzara be a real zone. I've wanted it forever, but still...weird.

Lucascraft

Why do people care about goblins? They've already been in the game for 5 years. They are everywhere already. They have 3 major cities in the old world, a major city in Outland, and one in Northrend as well. They control the neutral auction houses and they fly the zeppelins.

Its a wasted opportunity to add a new race to the game lore.

Thomamelas

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

I also like that since GC has been the design face for WoW, the game has slowly became more like what we were promised back before vanilla came out.

"remember vanilla wow? Well THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT"

*guitar solo*

It may also shut up the whole "The B team is in charge" statements. It really seems like the b team did the original design stuff and then they brought in these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIfuaUTH9Y4

SabreMau

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

I just realized that blizzard has been convincing us for the past year that they didn't want to put flying in azeroth because they wanted to focus on new content.

Those fuckers and their red herring.

But this IS new content. Just replacing old content instead of adding onto it.

WoW Classic was Blizzard making Azeroth while having 0 years of MMO-making experience. WoW Cataclysm is Blizzard making Azeroth while having 5 years of MMO-making experience.

Undead Scottsman

Lucascraft wrote: »

Why do people care about goblins? They've already been in the game for 5 years. They are everywhere already. They have 3 major cities in the old world, a major city in Outland, and one in Northrend as well. They control the neutral auction houses and they fly the zeppelins.

Its a wasted opportunity to add a new race to the game lore.

Because Goblins are awesome; I wanted to play a small sneaky character but couldn't for the horde, and adding new races shouldn't be dependent on new they are to the lore. (In fact, I'd rather they do more with what they have rather than just make up new stuff for the sake of making new stuff..)

Thomamelas

Lucascraft wrote: »

Why do people care about goblins? They've already been in the game for 5 years. They are everywhere already. They have 3 major cities in the old world, a major city in Outland, and one in Northrend as well. They control the neutral auction houses and they fly the zeppelins.

Its a wasted opportunity to add a new race to the game lore.

They have what I need.

Arkan

Lucascraft wrote: »

Why do people care about goblins? They've already been in the game for 5 years. They are everywhere already. They have 3 major cities in the old world, a major city in Outland, and one in Northrend as well. They control the neutral auction houses and they fly the zeppelins.

Its a wasted opportunity to add a new race to the game lore.

If they added a new race people would bitch about it. Remember all the whining when they put Draenei in? "WAAAAH WHO THE HELL ARE DRAENEI THEY'RE SPACE GOATS STOP GETTING SCIFI IN MY FANTASY"

DisruptorX2

Arkan wrote: »

Lucascraft wrote: »

Why do people care about goblins? They've already been in the game for 5 years. They are everywhere already. They have 3 major cities in the old world, a major city in Outland, and one in Northrend as well. They control the neutral auction houses and they fly the zeppelins.

Its a wasted opportunity to add a new race to the game lore.

If they added a new race people would bitch about it. Remember all the whining when they put Draenei in? "WAAAAH WHO THE HELL ARE DRAENEI THEY'RE SPACE GOATS STOP GETTING SCIFI IN MY FANTASY"

Not really, no.

I do remember some comments on how godawful their backstory was and is and how stupid they look, though.

SabreMau

I do specifically remember the "STOP GETTING SCIFI IN MY FANTASY" aspect of it, what with the starship Exodar being a satellite of Tempest Keep, or something along those lines.

Sterica

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

I also like that since GC has been the design face for WoW, the game has slowly became more like what we were promised back before vanilla came out.

"remember vanilla wow? Well THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT"

*guitar solo*

And they have CMs that give a shit about their jobs.

Lucascraft

I guess I just don't feel that the factions need to be symmetrical.

Horde does not need a "small race" to match the gnomes. Alliance did not need a large race to match the taurens. Its okay to be asymmetrical. It makes things more interesting that way.

-Bramble

Anyone else notice how good the water looks in the expansion trailer?

Also, I wonder how the plaguelands are going to end up after wotlk's events are all said and done. If Arthas bites it, hopefully someone will take over as a new, albeit weaker Lich King with pockets of scourge still shambling around. New quest: "All these folk who died when the Cataclysm (tm) hit are getting back up and walking around again - go check that shit out."

The only thing I feel "meh" about is the elemental plane stuff. Elemental planes have always been boring as fuck in every game I have seen them in.

Arkan

Big problem with the Expansion's name:

It doesn't acronym well. After TBC and WoTLK, "C" just doesn't sound right.

Super Namicchi

Lucascraft wrote: »

I guess I just don't feel that the factions need to be symmetrical.

Horde does not need a "small race" to match the gnomes. Alliance did not need a large race to match the taurens. Its okay to be asymmetrical. It makes things more interesting that way.

they tried that with paladins and shamans

it kind of sucked

Wren

I promised myself I'd never resub to wow again.

damnit blizzard

also this will just abbreviate to CAT

Sterica

Lucascraft wrote: »

I guess I just don't feel that the factions need to be symmetrical.

Horde does not need a "small race" to match the gnomes. Alliance did not need a large race to match the taurens. Its okay to be asymmetrical. It makes things more interesting that way.

The thing is, Goblins fit. Really well. They are probably the only new race that doesn't require weird lore gymnastics to explain.

Jesuits

I very much dislike most current goblin quests. You're busy fighting the Burning Legion, shutting down the fel orcs as best you can, and then you come across a couple goblins who are BOY I SURE AM HUNGRY GO KILL FIFTY BEASTIES SO I CAN COOK EM. Then you have the sapper squads in K3, which don't make any sense at all for a race that is supposedly so smart.

All indications point to playable goblin quests being excellent and actually relevant to the surroundings, though, so I'll definitely roll one up.

Undead Scottsman

Rorus Raz wrote: »

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

I also like that since GC has been the design face for WoW, the game has slowly became more like what we were promised back before vanilla came out.

"remember vanilla wow? Well THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT"

*guitar solo*

And they have CMs that give a shit about their jobs.

I wonder how much this has to do with Kaplan moving onto the new MMO team.

Sterica

Jesuits wrote: »

I very much dislike most current goblin quests. You're busy fighting the Burning Legion, shutting down the fel orcs as best you can, and then you come across a couple goblins who are BOY I SURE AM HUNGRY GO KILL FIFTY BEASTIES SO I CAN COOK EM. Then you have the sapper squads in K3, which don't make any sense at all for a race that is supposedly so smart.

All indications point to playable goblin quests being excellent and actually relevant to the surroundings, though, so I'll definitely roll one up.

Goblins are intelligent. That doesn't make them necessarily sane.

JJ

no no no. why would the "a" and "t" be capitalized? 'cylsm? WoW:C?

Lucascraft

ArcanisTheImpotent wrote: »

Lucascraft wrote: »

I guess I just don't feel that the factions need to be symmetrical.

Horde does not need a "small race" to match the gnomes. Alliance did not need a large race to match the taurens. Its okay to be asymmetrical. It makes things more interesting that way.

they tried that with paladins and shamans

it kind of sucked

Actually, it didn't suck.

For as much bitching as the horde did about paladins, there was equal bitching about shamans from the alliance. I would say the two classes balanced each other out quite nicely, even if they filled different niches.

And it gave some distinctive flavor to playing a particular faction. Now there is nothing at all that separates the Alliance from the Horde except aesthetics. All interesting race and faction differences have been homogenized.

Edit: For the record, I am against them giving the undead priest dot spell to all priests. I am against all priests getting fear ward. Anything and everything that ever made playing a specific class or faction cool or unique has been taken away.

Bikkstah

CATA

OtakuD00D

Rorus Raz wrote: »

Jesuits wrote: »

I very much dislike most current goblin quests. You're busy fighting the Burning Legion, shutting down the fel orcs as best you can, and then you come across a couple goblins who are BOY I SURE AM HUNGRY GO KILL FIFTY BEASTIES SO I CAN COOK EM. Then you have the sapper squads in K3, which don't make any sense at all for a race that is supposedly so smart.

All indications point to playable goblin quests being excellent and actually relevant to the surroundings, though, so I'll definitely roll one up.

Goblins are intelligent. That doesn't make them necessarily sane.

If anything, they're fucking crazy, given their obsession with explosives.


Gnomes: Eccentric.

Goblins: Batshit.

JJ

CLYSM

mynameisguido

Rorus Raz wrote: »

Jesuits wrote: »

I very much dislike most current goblin quests. You're busy fighting the Burning Legion, shutting down the fel orcs as best you can, and then you come across a couple goblins who are BOY I SURE AM HUNGRY GO KILL FIFTY BEASTIES SO I CAN COOK EM. Then you have the sapper squads in K3, which don't make any sense at all for a race that is supposedly so smart.

All indications point to playable goblin quests being excellent and actually relevant to the surroundings, though, so I'll definitely roll one up.

Goblins are intelligent. That doesn't make them necessarily sane.

They definitely seem to have the permanent crazy grin on their face so I'd say this is definitely true.

Jesuits

OtakuD00D wrote: »

Rorus Raz wrote: »

Jesuits wrote: »

I very much dislike most current goblin quests. You're busy fighting the Burning Legion, shutting down the fel orcs as best you can, and then you come across a couple goblins who are BOY I SURE AM HUNGRY GO KILL FIFTY BEASTIES SO I CAN COOK EM. Then you have the sapper squads in K3, which don't make any sense at all for a race that is supposedly so smart.

All indications point to playable goblin quests being excellent and actually relevant to the surroundings, though, so I'll definitely roll one up.

Goblins are intelligent. That doesn't make them necessarily sane.

If anything, they're fucking crazy, given their obsession with explosives.


Gnomes: Eccentric.

Goblins: Batshit.

Right, which is why the racers in thousand needles make sense, but they aren't actively trying to die there - it is just insanely risky. Sapper squad goblins are all 'brb killing ourselves'.

Sterica

Bikkstah wrote: »

CATA

CATA CATA PON.

DisruptorX2

ArcanisTheImpotent wrote: »

Lucascraft wrote: »

I guess I just don't feel that the factions need to be symmetrical.

Horde does not need a "small race" to match the gnomes. Alliance did not need a large race to match the taurens. Its okay to be asymmetrical. It makes things more interesting that way.

they tried that with paladins and shamans

it kind of sucked

Not really. Paladins gave alliance a pve advantage, IIRC, because of salvation, but thats about it.

Mirroring the classes was lame, and they did it the same time they added arenas, further making the factions a rather pointless aspect.

Super Namicchi

except for the part where it allowed blizzard to make the paladin and shaman their own classes instead of trying to set them up as foils

DisruptorX2

ArcanisTheImpotent wrote: »

except for the part where it allowed blizzard to make the paladin and shaman their own classes instead of trying to set them up as foils

They have always been their own classes. Shaman always could melee dps/ranged dps/heal and paladins could always tank(poorly)/heal/melee dps (poorly).

They were never balanced as if they were foils and currently fit the exact same roles they did at launch.

Super Namicchi

you don't understand

adding them to both factions meant that they wouldn't have to worry about giving one faction a tool and having to provide a counterweight on the other faction

Munkus Beaver

We already determined the nickname.


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