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Looking for some good space Opera/Adventure novels, Any recommendations?

MatthewMatthew Registered User regular
edited August 2009 in Help / Advice Forum
Just what the title says. I've been looking for some good books in this genre for awhile now. I bought Heinlein's "To sail beyond the sunset" a bit ago, but it looks to me like Heinlein may not be my thing totally. I like Dan Simmons though, and loved his "Ilium/Olympos" series.

So, any recommendations?

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  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    John Scalzi, definitely. Start with Old Man's War. Alastair Reynolds also does some pretty good hard space opera; check out The Prefect.

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  • jotjot Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Simon R. Greene did some pretty trashy space Opera stuff. You might want to check out the Deathstalker Series or the stand-alone Twilight of the Empire, set in the same universe.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The Lost Fleet. It's incredibly hard sci-fi with realistic physics and everything, but also a military space opera on an epic scale. Written well, fairly short, and some of the most kickass battles in sci-fi history.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    For a little bit pulpier feel, I've been a big fan of Peter F. Hamilton for a while now. He's got a couple good, long space operas under his belt. Check out the Night's Dawn Trilogy (Reality Dysfunction/Neutronium Alchemist/Naked God), the Confederation Saga (Pandora Star/Judas Unchained), and he's currently in the middle of the Void Trilogy (Dreaming Void/Temporal Void/_______) which actually takes place about 1000 years into the future of the Confederation Saga universe.

    Take note, if you check out the Night's Dawn Trilogy in paperback, each book has been subsequently broken up into a further two books, so it's actually six books.

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    jot wrote: »
    Simon R. Greene did some pretty trashy space Opera stuff. You might want to check out the Deathstalker Series or the stand-alone Twilight of the Empire, set in the same universe.

    I was coming in to recommend this series. If you're in the mood for a pulpy space opera, you really can't go wrong with this one. The archetypes are pretty much all there, but his snappy writing and entertaining characters manager to rise the story up a bit.

    I would recommend stopping after the fifth book though. I prefer that 'ending' to the one that actually you know, ends the book.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2009
    Moving to H/A.

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  • ArtreusArtreus I'm a wizard And that looks fucked upRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Dune, Ender's game

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  • SaddlerSaddler Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You could do worse than L. Ron Hubbard for this sort of thing. Battlefield Earth is somewhat enjoyable, believe it or not.

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  • KlorgnumKlorgnum Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It's not really Space Opera, but Timothy Zahn's Quadrail series is fairly entertaining SF/Adventure stuff. The characters aren't exactly compelling, but the plot and situations are good enough to keep everything moving along quickly.

    Plot summary: Ex-intelligence agent turned private eye is hired by alien robot spiders that run the train system connecting all of inhabited space to stop a massive conspiracy.

    The first book is called Night Train to Rigel (which is odd, as I don't recall them actually visiting Rigel in the book...).

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Go to the source. Get E E "Doc" Smith's Lensman Saga, and discover what every space opera ever has mined for material. It's the Lord of the Rings for Space Opera. Beware, the wiki I linked contains spoilers, of course.

    Note that this stuff is old, and therefore contains a lot of dated ideas, and things someone used to more modern Sci Fi may find odd, like a complete lack of computers. I personally find that's one of the series biggest charms.

    If you are looking for authentic, two fisted, manly, indestructible space heroes who like their steak rare and their women buxom and fiery, you can't do much better. Also there are just tons and tons of fun aliens, locations and situations.

    QX Spaceman, clear ether!

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  • LandwehrLandwehr Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I was beginning to compose an intimidating list of the most grandiose science fiction, with increasingly hyperbolic praise of the greatest and most overlooked epics of the last half century, but that is not what you need.

    Science fiction struggles to strike a balance between grandiosity and verisimilitude. If the former is ascendent, it veers towards fantasy. At its greatest, this sort of excess is expressed in Tales of the Dying Earth or Star Wars. Stories that are impossibly grand. At the other end of the spectrum, you have A Rendevous with Ranma or Neuromancer or Contact. Part of the pleasure of this science fiction is its tantalizing possibility: maybe not now, but soon.

    With sheer imagination, the gap between grandiosity and verisimilitude disappears. Great and terrible things seems all the more so because of their possibility. So, my recommendations would be (in order of sheer awesomness) Schismatrix by Bruce Sterling Consider Phlebas by Iain M. Banks, A Fire Upon The Deep by Vernon Vinge, and Revelation Space by Alistair Reynolds.

    If your preference is more towards the adventure elements, I suggest The Demon Princes by Jack Vance. It is an epic story of revenge. After his parents are slaughtered by the five most notorious outlaws in human space, Kirth Gersen is raised by his grandfather as the perfect instrument for vengeance.

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  • JONJONAUGJONJONAUG Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    It's not translated in novel form (mostly anyway, you can find a few translated text files floating around but nothing much beyond the first novel), but the Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime is an extremely faithful adaptation of the novels of the same name.

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  • TaranisTaranis Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    The Forever War by Joe Haldeman
    A Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    Armor by John Steakley

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  • clsCorwinclsCorwin Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Margaret Weis wrote a 4 book series that screams Space Opera in the same way Star Wars does.

    Star pf the Guardians, thats it.

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  • virgilsammsvirgilsamms Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Drake wrote: »
    Go to the source. Get E E "Doc" Smith's Lensman Saga, and discover what every space opera ever has mined for material. It's the Lord of the Rings for Space Opera. Beware, the wiki I linked contains spoilers, of course.

    Note that this stuff is old, and therefore contains a lot of dated ideas, and things someone used to more modern Sci Fi may find odd, like a complete lack of computers. I personally find that's one of the series biggest charms.

    If you are looking for authentic, two fisted, manly, indestructible space heroes who like their steak rare and their women buxom and fiery, you can't do much better. Also there are just tons and tons of fun aliens, locations and situations.

    QX Spaceman, clear ether!

    Drake speaks the truth, and his Family d'Alembert and Skylark series also qualify.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    David Weber's - On Basilisk Station.

    pulpy sci fi space opera kinda stuff. Lots of space battle action.

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  • EshEsh Tending bar. FFXIV. Motorcycles. Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I really like the Stainless Steel Rat books. They're slightly humorous. Dark, dry, humor.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    OremLK wrote: »
    John Scalzi, definitely. Start with Old Man's War. Alastair Reynolds also does some pretty good hard space opera; check out The Prefect.

    This guy is fantastic. I have a few of his books and they've all been great space operas.

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  • HlubockyHlubocky Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I don't really know exactly what constitutes a space opera, but I have to second the Dune and Ender series as was suggested above.

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  • FightTestFightTest Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    You must immediately purchase Manifold: Space by Stephen Baxter.

    It's a pseudo-sequel to Manifold: Time which is also a great book, but they're not really related so you can go for Space first. In fact everything he's written is pretty great, but Manifold: Space has a ridiculously awesome ending.

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  • ValkunValkun Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Saddler wrote: »
    You could do worse than L. Ron Hubbard for this sort of thing. Battlefield Earth is somewhat enjoyable, believe it or not.

    I'm going to second this. I read it long before finding out about all the craziness of Scientology. Then you realize that the man can write well enough to make his own religion, about aliens, and have a lot of people believe in it. :lol: Keep in mind, his fictional works have nothing to do with Scientology, at all. Although his hatred of psychologists slips through a bit, I didn't realize it until later reading about his vehement dislike of them.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    FightTest wrote: »
    You must immediately purchase Manifold: Space by Stephen Baxter.

    It's a pseudo-sequel to Manifold: Time which is also a great book, but they're not really related so you can go for Space first. In fact everything he's written is pretty great, but Manifold: Space has a ridiculously awesome ending.

    The whole Manifold trilogy is pretty interesting, but I wouldn't exactly call them space operas.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    For a little bit pulpier feel, I've been a big fan of Peter F. Hamilton for a while now. He's got a couple good, long space operas under his belt. Check out the Night's Dawn Trilogy (Reality Dysfunction/Neutronium Alchemist/Naked God), the Confederation Saga (Pandora Star/Judas Unchained), and he's currently in the middle of the Void Trilogy (Dreaming Void/Temporal Void/_______) which actually takes place about 1000 years into the future of the Confederation Saga universe.

    Take note, if you check out the Night's Dawn Trilogy in paperback, each book has been subsequently broken up into a further two books, so it's actually six books.

    I would second the Hamilton recommendation - he is seems to have space opera on the brain, in a good way. He is pretty prolific too, so if you do like his stuff you will have at least three space opera series of his to sink your teeth into

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I would really recommend Stephen R. Donaldson's "Gap Cycle." It's four or five books depending on what printing you get, but they're some of my favorite sci-fi. It's semi-hard sci-fi, really good stuff. It's Donaldson, so some of the themes can be a little off-putting for some people, but he goes a lot easier on the vocabulary for these books than his earlier "Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" series. It's worth a look.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    The Lost Fleet. It's incredibly hard sci-fi with realistic physics and everything, but also a military space opera on an epic scale. Written well, fairly short, and some of the most kickass battles in sci-fi history.

    I've been trying to hawk that here for a while, never seen anyone else mention it before. It's great for what it is...

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    A far future retelling of the march of the Ten Thousand?

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  • hamdingershamdingers Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    First thought that crossed my mind was the 'Bio of a space tyrant' series. I remember it being pretty trashy, though that's not always a bad thing.

    Another vote for Donaldson's Gap - and an echo on the disturbing themes and unlikable protagonists. Donaldson loves those! (See: Covenant, Thomas)

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I would really recommend Stephen R. Donaldson's "Gap Cycle." It's four or five books depending on what printing you get, but they're some of my favorite sci-fi. It's semi-hard sci-fi, really good stuff. It's Donaldson, so some of the themes can be a little off-putting for some people, but he goes a lot easier on the vocabulary for these books than his earlier "Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" series. It's worth a look.

    I love the Gap Cycle, and it is excellent space opera. It is not Hard sci fi by any stretch of the imagination, though. At all. Serious themes, strong internal consistency and dark characters have nothing to do with whether or not sci fi is hard. It has to have a basis or be extrapolated from one of the hard sciences to be hard sci fi.

    Also, the Gap Cycle is based off of Wagners Der Ring des Nibelungen, possibly making it the most operatic of space opera. I used to listen them while reading the books and it works extremely well.

    One major warning though. This series could have easily been named Rape in Space. There is a female character who is repeatedly brutalized. Repeatedly. I'm pretty thick skinned and I found some of it stomach churning, but then that is the point. If you can't take that sort of thing, save yourself the grief and just skip it.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2009
    Galaxy-spanning stuff? You say you like Simmon's Illium books, so why not try his Hyperion (Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion) novels? They're superior in just about every way. Other brick-sized books that might be up your alley is the beautifully written Neverness, by David Zindell, a tale of mathematics, eternal life, icy worlds, ships made of spun diamond, AI with moon-size brains and poetry; Footfall, a stirring tale of alien invasion by Niven and Pournelle; The Stars My Destination, by Alfred Bester, which transports The Count of Monte Cristo into outer space in one of my favourite novels.

    Also, I hate to cast aspersions on some recommendations already given, but I'd avoid Battlefield Earth. It's really, really awful and best avoided.

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  • NorfairNorfair Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Try some Cordwainer Smith, if you can find it. There's nothing else like him in science fiction, for better or for worse. Definitely not everyone's cup of tea, though.

    EDIT: I want to second John Scalzi. If you like Heinlein you will definitely like Old Man's War.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2009
    Hyperion. HyperionHyperionHyperion. Hyperion? Hyperion.

    I mean, I can probably assume that you read the Cantos already because you said Dan Simmons in your OP, but just in case you have not, srsly do this. You will not be sorry.

    edit: Okay, just in case. Four books:

    Hyperion
    The Fall of Hyperion
    Endymion
    The Rise of Endymion

    GO.

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  • Grid SystemGrid System Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Lois McMaster Bujold's Miles Vorkosigan books don't have the same grand scope as Simmons's stuff, but they're well-written and fun, and there are piles of them.

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  • flatlinegraphicsflatlinegraphics Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Drake wrote: »
    I would really recommend Stephen R. Donaldson's "Gap Cycle." It's four or five books depending on what printing you get, but they're some of my favorite sci-fi. It's semi-hard sci-fi, really good stuff. It's Donaldson, so some of the themes can be a little off-putting for some people, but he goes a lot easier on the vocabulary for these books than his earlier "Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" series. It's worth a look.

    I love the Gap Cycle, and it is excellent space opera. It is not Hard sci fi by any stretch of the imagination, though. At all. Serious themes, strong internal consistency and dark characters have nothing to do with whether or not sci fi is hard. It has to have a basis or be extrapolated from one of the hard sciences to be hard sci fi.

    Also, the Gap Cycle is based off of Wagners Der Ring des Nibelungen, possibly making it the most operatic of space opera. I used to listen them while reading the books and it works extremely well.

    One major warning though. This series could have easily been named Rape in Space. There is a female character who is repeatedly brutalized. Repeatedly. I'm pretty thick skinned and I found some of it stomach churning, but then that is the point. If you can't take that sort of thing, save yourself the grief and just skip it.

    The real story is tough to get through. but that is part of the point. Tho to be fair, Morn is not the only one to get raped. i think angus gets the worst of it. in the afterward donaldson describes how he, quite masterfully, swapped the hero-victim-villian archetype around to every charecter in the series. really powerful series. leaves you wondering how deep anyone's game is.

    to add some more:
    iain m. banks culture books.
    niven & pournelle, pretty much everything. apart they are merely ok. they really work best together tho.
    heinlein in general.

    battlefield earth is, well, pulp. its an ok read, theres alot of it, but just not very good.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Drake wrote: »
    Go to the source. Get E E "Doc" Smith's Lensman Saga, and discover what every space opera ever has mined for material. It's the Lord of the Rings for Space Opera. Beware, the wiki I linked contains spoilers, of course.

    Note that this stuff is old, and therefore contains a lot of dated ideas, and things someone used to more modern Sci Fi may find odd, like a complete lack of computers. I personally find that's one of the series biggest charms.

    If you are looking for authentic, two fisted, manly, indestructible space heroes who like their steak rare and their women buxom and fiery, you can't do much better. Also there are just tons and tons of fun aliens, locations and situations.

    QX Spaceman, clear ether!

    This. One million times this. No hero is as heroic as a Lensman. Green Lanterns are totally a ripoff of them. Kimball Kinnison is the manliest man ever.

    Heinlein short stories are really great. And Starship Troopers. And Lazarus Motherfucking (hehehe) Long.

    Ray Bradury Mars stories are wonderfully poetic and sad. He's a wonderfully talented writer.

    Jack Vance is pure gold.

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  • PolloDiabloPolloDiablo Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Drake wrote: »
    I would really recommend Stephen R. Donaldson's "Gap Cycle." It's four or five books depending on what printing you get, but they're some of my favorite sci-fi. It's semi-hard sci-fi, really good stuff. It's Donaldson, so some of the themes can be a little off-putting for some people, but he goes a lot easier on the vocabulary for these books than his earlier "Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" series. It's worth a look.

    I love the Gap Cycle, and it is excellent space opera. It is not Hard sci fi by any stretch of the imagination, though. At all. Serious themes, strong internal consistency and dark characters have nothing to do with whether or not sci fi is hard. It has to have a basis or be extrapolated from one of the hard sciences to be hard sci fi.

    Also, the Gap Cycle is based off of Wagners Der Ring des Nibelungen, possibly making it the most operatic of space opera. I used to listen them while reading the books and it works extremely well.

    One major warning though. This series could have easily been named Rape in Space. There is a female character who is repeatedly brutalized. Repeatedly. I'm pretty thick skinned and I found some of it stomach churning, but then that is the point. If you can't take that sort of thing, save yourself the grief and just skip it.

    It's certainly not hard sci-fi, but I consider it further along that spectrum than stuff with no "sci" at all, like Star Wars. A lot of the ship physics and technology are reasonably, uh, crunchy, I guess. Anyway, I wouldn't say it isn't at all hard, although there are plenty of soft elements.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    So here is a little quote from Triplanetary (EE Doc Smith's first Lensmen work), just so you guys can delight yourselves with some SPACE! OPERAAAAAA!
    "All's well, sir," he reported briefly to Captain Bradley--but all was not well.
    Danger--more serious far in that it was not external--was even then, all unsuspected, gnawing at the great ship's vitals. In a locked and shielded compartment, deep down in the interior of the liner, was the great air purifier. Now a man leaned against the primary duct--the aorta through which flowed the stream of pure air supplying the entire vessel. This man, grotesque in full panoply of space armor, leaned against the duct, and as he leaned a drill bit deeper and deeper into the steel wall of the pipe. Soon it broke through, and the slight rush of air was stopped by the insertion of a tightly fitting rubber tube. The tube terminated in a heavy rubber balloon, which surrounded a frail glass bulb. The man stood tense, one hand holding before his silica-and-steel helmeted head a large pocket chronometer, the other lightly grasping the balloon. A sneering grin was upon his face as he awaited the exact second of action--the carefully pre-determined instant when his right hand, closing, would shatter the fragile flask and force its contents into the primary air stream of the Hyperion!

    Taken from the Project Gutenberg ebook

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2009
    There are quite a few EE Doc Smith books out there that aren't actually by him at all. I believe Stephen Golding wrote almost all of the Family D'Alembert books, which are pretty terrible.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    But the basic genuine Lensmen books are easy to determine.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    Klorgnum wrote: »
    It's not really Space Opera, but Timothy Zahn's Quadrail series is fairly entertaining SF/Adventure stuff. The characters aren't exactly compelling, but the plot and situations are good enough to keep everything moving along quickly.

    Plot summary: Ex-intelligence agent turned private eye is hired by alien robot spiders that run the train system connecting all of inhabited space to stop a massive conspiracy.

    The first book is called Night Train to Rigel (which is odd, as I don't recall them actually visiting Rigel in the book...).

    Good lord, that's a huge ripoff of Simmons' Endymion series.

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  • DynagripDynagrip Break me a million hearts HoustonRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2009
    Also, I'd recommend Alistair Reynolds stuff for hard space opera stuff. As well as Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky and A Fire Upon the Deep. Those two are great and have some neat concepts.

    Although not exactly hard science fiction, it is definitely space opera, Iain M. Banks' Culture series.

    Oh, and Greg Bear's The Way series and Forge of God stuff.

    ...and David Brin's Uplift Saga. Startide Rising is the best of the first trilogy and the one that best fits the space opera request. Sundiver is a little weak.

    Ok, I'll stop.

    For now.

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