"On December 18 2001, about fifty people (most of them women) met at the factory and demanded to be granted a travel allowance, just to be able to keep their jobs. The Brukman brothers, owners of the factory, promised to bring money and left. The workers decided to stay, asked the doorman for the keys, and spent the night at the factory. Their idea was to take the building and negotiate from that position. But the owners never returned, so they began working again by themselves. In time, the factory made new clients and managed to pay off debts. The workers, organized in an assembly, decided on a fair wage for themselves. After months they were able to raise their salaries and hire ten more employees."
Oh look, they abandoned it, there goes that problem for you!
And the communist's answer would be that the factory owner is already stealing from the workers, or what quoth said.
how is he stealing from the workers? it is a mere exchange of service for money.
without the owner there wouldn't be a factory in the first place.
even our legal system holds that some contracts are unenforceable because they unlawfully disadvantage some party
if you believe the disadvantage is very severe (and it certainly is at times) then the contract is null and there may even be some sort of damage award
it's not a terrifically far leap to think that award ought to include ownership of the factory in some circumstances
What about if the current owner inherited the factory from their father? Then they don't really have a legitimate claim to doing much of anything to help the factory (ignoring accounting and such for the sake of the argument, although you could count the accountants as workers).
but without the workers the factory wouldn't be operational
yes. both are necessary. yet, I ask again, how is the factory owner stealing from the workers?
he is giving them an opportunity to earn money so that they can support their families.
if the factory owner is paying himself substantially more than he is paying the workers, arguably he is stealing from them because their labor is more valuable than his oversight
he needs them but they don't need him
and you're assuming they are paid enough to support their families, which is not necessarily the case
What about if the current owner inherited the factory from their father? Then they don't really have a legitimate claim to doing much of anything to help the factory (ignoring accounting and such for the sake of the argument, although you could count the accountants as workers).
the owner can grant ownership to whoever he pleases.
I agree with Deacon for once
the bone in the nose comment is a pretty weak example of Rush being racist
it's not a question of whether it was ok then, the point is you're trying to claim that he's currently racist and you're having to dig back 40 years for a comment he made as an example
Rush is a fat windbag, but the remark in question is such old news it's no longer relevant
it's completely relevant. it adds proof that this is nothing new to limbaugh's shtick. it shows that this is something that rush has been working with for 40+ years, and that racially charged comments aren't something he decided to add to his routine 5 years ago in the bath.
* "We are being told that we have to hope [Obama] succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles ... because his father was black."
* "I do believe" Obama is an "angry black guy."
* "n Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering."
* "Obama's entire economic program is reparations."
* Obama is "more African in his roots than he is American" and is "behaving like an African colonial despot."
* Obama is "Halfrican-American."
* "Obama has disowned his white half ... he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side."
* Sotomayor "a reverse racist" appointed by Obama, "the greatest living example of a reverse racist."
* Obama "wants us to have the same health care and plan that he had in Kenya" and "wants to be the black FDR."
* Latching onto LA Times op-ed, Limbaugh sings "Barack, The Magic Negro."
* "God does not have a birth certificate. Neither does Obama"; Obama "has yet to prove he's a citizen."
* Limbaugh on Gates controversy: "Here you have a black president trying to destroy a white policeman."
* Limbaugh suggests Obama would not have acted on Somali pirates if he'd known they were "actually young, black Muslim teenagers."
* Limbaugh suggests Democrats, media believe "you can't criticize the little black man-child."
* "The government's been taking care of [young blacks] their whole lives."
* "The days of [minorities] not having any power are over, and they are angry."
* "[M]inorities never do anything for which they have to apologize."
* Limbaugh: "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."
* Limbaugh says "NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips."
* Limbaugh declares basketball "the favorite sport of gangs."
* Limbaugh invented "racial component" to Hackett's decision to withdraw from Ohio primary race.
* Limbaugh on Survivor series: "African-American tribe" worst swimmers, Hispanics "will do things other people won't do."
* Limbaugh suggested Colin Powell only supported Obama because of race.
* Limbaugh: Gates is an "angry racist."
* Limbaugh called illegal immigrants an "invasive species."
* Limbaugh repeatedly calls Native Americans "Injuns."
* Limbaugh says Democrats' interest in Darfur is securing black "voting bloc."
* Limbaugh says that if "feminazis" had remembered to oppose "affirmative action for black guys ... they wouldn't face the situation they face today."
I agree with Deacon for once
the bone in the nose comment is a pretty weak example of Rush being racist
it's not a question of whether it was ok then, the point is you're trying to claim that he's currently racist and you're having to dig back 40 years for a comment he made as an example
Rush is a fat windbag, but the remark in question is such old news it's no longer relevant
it's completely relevant. it adds proof that this is nothing new to limbaugh's shtick. it shows that this is something that rush has been working with for 40+ years, and that racially charged comments aren't something he decided to add to his routine 5 years ago in the bath.
Anyway teefs isn't online so this isn't going to get interesting, I'm off to bed bye bye.
readhead: Perhaps consider that we're perfectly aware of what he's doing and seeing into the mind of an idiot (or making him work to troll) can be interesting.
I agree with Deacon for once
the bone in the nose comment is a pretty weak example of Rush being racist
it's not a question of whether it was ok then, the point is you're trying to claim that he's currently racist and you're having to dig back 40 years for a comment he made as an example
Rush is a fat windbag, but the remark in question is such old news it's no longer relevant
it's completely relevant. it adds proof that this is nothing new to limbaugh's shtick. it shows that this is something that rush has been working with for 40+ years, and that racially charged comments aren't something he decided to add to his routine 5 years ago in the bath.
* "We are being told that we have to hope [Obama] succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles ... because his father was black."
* "I do believe" Obama is an "angry black guy."
* "n Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering."
* "Obama's entire economic program is reparations."
* Obama is "more African in his roots than he is American" and is "behaving like an African colonial despot."
* Obama is "Halfrican-American."
* "Obama has disowned his white half ... he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side."
* Sotomayor "a reverse racist" appointed by Obama, "the greatest living example of a reverse racist."
* Obama "wants us to have the same health care and plan that he had in Kenya" and "wants to be the black FDR."
* Latching onto LA Times op-ed, Limbaugh sings "Barack, The Magic Negro."
* "God does not have a birth certificate. Neither does Obama"; Obama "has yet to prove he's a citizen."
* Limbaugh on Gates controversy: "Here you have a black president trying to destroy a white policeman."
* Limbaugh suggests Obama would not have acted on Somali pirates if he'd known they were "actually young, black Muslim teenagers."
* Limbaugh suggests Democrats, media believe "you can't criticize the little black man-child."
* "The government's been taking care of [young blacks] their whole lives."
* "The days of [minorities] not having any power are over, and they are angry."
* "[M]inorities never do anything for which they have to apologize."
* Limbaugh: "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."
* Limbaugh says "NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips."
* Limbaugh declares basketball "the favorite sport of gangs."
* Limbaugh invented "racial component" to Hackett's decision to withdraw from Ohio primary race.
* Limbaugh on Survivor series: "African-American tribe" worst swimmers, Hispanics "will do things other people won't do."
* Limbaugh suggested Colin Powell only supported Obama because of race.
* Limbaugh: Gates is an "angry racist."
* Limbaugh called illegal immigrants an "invasive species."
* Limbaugh repeatedly calls Native Americans "Injuns."
* Limbaugh says Democrats' interest in Darfur is securing black "voting bloc."
* Limbaugh says that if "feminazis" had remembered to oppose "affirmative action for black guys ... they wouldn't face the situation they face today."
I guess the bone-in-nose thing was an early example of him waaaay overstepping the mark, but from the very consistent level of stupidity in that list, it looks like he's worked out since then exactly how far he can go and get away with it and just constantly goes exactly that far.
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something like that would never work. they'd go bankrupt sooo fast.
why
because a group of people are incapable of making fiscally sound decisions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brukman_factory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Bauen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaSinPat
"On December 18 2001, about fifty people (most of them women) met at the factory and demanded to be granted a travel allowance, just to be able to keep their jobs. The Brukman brothers, owners of the factory, promised to bring money and left. The workers decided to stay, asked the doorman for the keys, and spent the night at the factory. Their idea was to take the building and negotiate from that position. But the owners never returned, so they began working again by themselves. In time, the factory made new clients and managed to pay off debts. The workers, organized in an assembly, decided on a fair wage for themselves. After months they were able to raise their salaries and hire ten more employees."
Oh look, they abandoned it, there goes that problem for you!
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how is he stealing from the workers? it is a mere exchange of service for money.
without the owner there wouldn't be a factory in the first place.
but without the workers the factory wouldn't be operational
even our legal system holds that some contracts are unenforceable because they unlawfully disadvantage some party
if you believe the disadvantage is very severe (and it certainly is at times) then the contract is null and there may even be some sort of damage award
it's not a terrifically far leap to think that award ought to include ownership of the factory in some circumstances
yes. both are necessary. yet, I ask again, how is the factory owner stealing from the workers?
he is giving them an opportunity to earn money so that they can support their families.
What about if the current owner inherited the factory from their father? Then they don't really have a legitimate claim to doing much of anything to help the factory (ignoring accounting and such for the sake of the argument, although you could count the accountants as workers).
They would be making more if he weren't profiting from it, and he isn't doing any work to help.
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Nope. The factory belongs to the person who invested his resources in it being build.
Just because I pay someone to mow my lawn does not mean that my garden belongs to that person.
pffft, typical lower left quadrant answer
if the factory owner is paying himself substantially more than he is paying the workers, arguably he is stealing from them because their labor is more valuable than his oversight
he needs them but they don't need him
and you're assuming they are paid enough to support their families, which is not necessarily the case
So in the case of the owner's death, it doesn't change hands, therefore no one has any claim to it any more. That's a dumb way to determine ownership.
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the owner can grant ownership to whoever he pleases.
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Shareholders.
Very very few businesses are solo ventures.
why should the factory belong to the person who built it and not the people who ensure its continued operation
the builder without the workers is bankrupt
it's completely relevant. it adds proof that this is nothing new to limbaugh's shtick. it shows that this is something that rush has been working with for 40+ years, and that racially charged comments aren't something he decided to add to his routine 5 years ago in the bath.
Here's some more examples of his "controversial" comments
* "I do believe" Obama is an "angry black guy."
* "n Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering."
* "Obama's entire economic program is reparations."
* Obama is "more African in his roots than he is American" and is "behaving like an African colonial despot."
* Obama is "Halfrican-American."
* "Obama has disowned his white half ... he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side."
* Sotomayor "a reverse racist" appointed by Obama, "the greatest living example of a reverse racist."
* Obama "wants us to have the same health care and plan that he had in Kenya" and "wants to be the black FDR."
* Latching onto LA Times op-ed, Limbaugh sings "Barack, The Magic Negro."
* "God does not have a birth certificate. Neither does Obama"; Obama "has yet to prove he's a citizen."
* Limbaugh on Gates controversy: "Here you have a black president trying to destroy a white policeman."
* Limbaugh suggests Obama would not have acted on Somali pirates if he'd known they were "actually young, black Muslim teenagers."
* Limbaugh suggests Democrats, media believe "you can't criticize the little black man-child."
* "The government's been taking care of [young blacks] their whole lives."
* "The days of [minorities] not having any power are over, and they are angry."
* "[M]inorities never do anything for which they have to apologize."
* Limbaugh: "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well."
* Limbaugh says "NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips."
* Limbaugh declares basketball "the favorite sport of gangs."
* Limbaugh invented "racial component" to Hackett's decision to withdraw from Ohio primary race.
* Limbaugh on Survivor series: "African-American tribe" worst swimmers, Hispanics "will do things other people won't do."
* Limbaugh suggested Colin Powell only supported Obama because of race.
* Limbaugh: Gates is an "angry racist."
* Limbaugh called illegal immigrants an "invasive species."
* Limbaugh repeatedly calls Native Americans "Injuns."
* Limbaugh says Democrats' interest in Darfur is securing black "voting bloc."
* Limbaugh says that if "feminazis" had remembered to oppose "affirmative action for black guys ... they wouldn't face the situation they face today."
but Brother MKR it is so enjoyable
Eh, we're all forgiven anyway.
Have at it.
And?
nope, people are trying to talk to him as if he were someone other than runx3
his post history here is astonishing if only for the fact that people continue to respond to his posts with anything other than the "lol" emoticon
readhead: Perhaps consider that we're perfectly aware of what he's doing and seeing into the mind of an idiot (or making him work to troll) can be interesting.
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I think teefs is running forum silent with "hide online somethingorother" ticked.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Quoth is the dumbest. TWB has been telling her for years but she keeps hearing other things.
the voices are totally real
WHY DOESN'T ANYONE BELIEVE ME
Nah she's not on msn or steam or anything either
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I guess the bone-in-nose thing was an early example of him waaaay overstepping the mark, but from the very consistent level of stupidity in that list, it looks like he's worked out since then exactly how far he can go and get away with it and just constantly goes exactly that far.
that's just what a fascist would say
trying to keep the proletariat down
why don't you invent a perpetual motion machine and then refuse to share it, capitalist pig-dog
It's a better system than moistened bints lobbing scimitars.
You did not just go that way. Are you fucking serious?
well yeah, nobody wants your sweat
that's gross
unless you're robert downey jr, in which case i will drink it like gatorade
You're forgetting the sweat tax