This character pulled a solid 600 DPS or so through the run.
I ran into a lot of people around this, and I'd been having such a hard time figuring out why, because...
(Spoilered for gnomish buttcheeks)
1007 dps bare ass naked, on the heroic dummy with no hit talents in the class's most gear dependent spec, and to make matters worse it was a patch day and my entire UI was broken. It's not clean or good looking on the best of days, but this mess is not what I usually raid with. The random shaman who showed up likely added a bit, but that barely brought my crit rate into double digits, so I didn't bother trying again for a clean parse.
Anyway, rant and naked gnomes aside, get Rankwatch and you'll understand very quickly why people can be doing 600 dps as level 80. I actually convinced a warlock on my server who was doing 480 dps in a heroic to queue with me and rankwatch lit up like the Vegas strip, guy hadn't trained a single spell since level 60 or earlier.
This character pulled a solid 600 DPS or so through the run.
I ran into a lot of people around this, and I'd been having such a hard time figuring out why, because...
(Spoilered for gnomish buttcheeks)
1007 dps bare ass naked, on the heroic dummy with no hit talents in the class's most gear dependent spec, and to make matters worse it was a patch day and my entire UI was broken. It's not clean or good looking on the best of days, but this mess is not what I usually raid with. The random shaman who showed up likely added a bit, but that barely brought my crit rate into double digits, so I didn't bother trying again for a clean parse.
Anyway, rant and naked gnomes aside, get Rankwatch and you'll understand very quickly why people can be doing 600 dps as level 80. I actually convinced a warlock on my server who was doing 480 dps in a heroic to queue with me and rankwatch lit up like the Vegas strip, guy hadn't trained a single spell since level 60 or earlier.
I know for a fact that the code that updates your buttons sometimes bugs out and doesn't update some of them as you train. My friend and I couldn't figure out why a boomkin, pressing all the right buttons, in decent gear, was pulling 1k. Come to find out he was inadvertently downranking spells left and right. He had been healing heroics, successfully, with downranked heals in his tree spec. It was hilarious when we figured it out.
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So, I've noticed that when in randoms on my pally, I will very rarely (if ever) get another ret pally in the group (though the healer and tank are a different story).
It's made me wonder whether or not the LFD purposely tries to diversify the group by class as opposed to just taking the first DPS in line. I mean, I remember one time we kicked a warlock out of our group and got another warlock. It seemed like a pretty weird coincidence at the time but thinking back it may have been just a part of the system.
I mean, if the DPS classes were all in existence in equal proportions I might understand it, but given the preponderance of paladins and death knights in most of the servers in our battlegroup, the idea that I would never end up with another ret pally if the dps queue was just a straight line seems unlikely to me.
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VariableMouth CongressStroke Me Lady FameRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
this could be very selective memory after reading your post, but I don't think I've seen many if any doubles of class+spec. I have only once been paired with another shaman and he was dps.
So my big plan was to farm primordial saronite on 2 alts running heroics and gearing up at the same time with triumph badges.
Yesterday was complete hell and I do not wish anything like it on people.
Yesterday I log on my last alt to get a heroic, dps so long wait off the bat, and get oculus, tank and healer drop asap. New leader doesnt que back up for a couple minutes so I leave.
Wait for another que, AN pops up and we get to the first boss and 3 people afk.....for at least 15 mins. They were all from the same server and threatened to kick me when I complained that they were afk for longer then it takes to finish the instance. after that I pulled the boss trash on them and left.
Oculus again, same as before.
OCULUS AGAIN....finish it with competent people, getting make it count in the process.
Log in today, get to the same alt again into VH. Smooth till last boss when tank DC's at the very start and we wipe.
I have worst times with Oculus. People just do not want to run it, they leave the group the instant they finish zoning in. IT TAKES LIKE 12 MINUTES TO FINISH.
Just had like a total of 4 people leave my Oculus random heroic today before we finally got a full group going and did a 5-Amber clear. Then two consecutive failed H HoR runs (both with warrior tanks) before we got a tankadin and cleared that.
i'll usually work through an oculus group just because i want me some badges.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
I have worst times with Oculus. People just do not want to run it, they leave the group the instant they finish zoning in. IT TAKES LIKE 12 MINUTES TO FINISH.
I agree with this one. If you know the right path, you can fly through Occulus faster than any other instance. No pun intended.
i'll usually work through an oculus group just because i want me some badges.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
There's a lot of instances I haven't hit too. WoW Random is Streaky Random.
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i'll usually work through an oculus group just because i want me some badges.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
There's a lot of instances I haven't hit too. WoW Random is Streaky Random.
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edited December 2009
I hate when people leave oculus. I decided to start trying to insult them before they can leave with the hopes that they'll feel bad for a split second.
it hasn't yet backfired... I mean, I haven't yet had no one leave.
It's going to trend towards the dungeons people want to leave from specifically because people are leaving them. If someone leaves a dungeon right as it starts then the dungeon finder goes "Oh, here's a group with 4 people at the start of a dungeon, go fill in the hole." They really need to increase the punishment time to like 30m to help curb people leaving, but even with that I can still see people being irrational and leaving even though they'd need to wait more time than it'd take to do the dungeon.
i'll usually work through an oculus group just because i want me some badges.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
Oculus is the one instance I need to complete to get Northrend Dungeon Hero on the mage I have been doing randoms with. I would try to stick around to do it if I could but I haven't been tossed into it yet.
i'll usually work through an oculus group just because i want me some badges.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
Oculus is the one instance I need to complete to get Northrend Dungeon Hero on the mage I have been doing randoms with. I would try to stick around to do it if I could but I haven't been tossed into it yet.
Then go to Specific Dungeons and click up Occulus? That should work, right?
i'll usually work through an oculus group just because i want me some badges.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
Oculus is the one instance I need to complete to get Northrend Dungeon Hero on the mage I have been doing randoms with. I would try to stick around to do it if I could but I haven't been tossed into it yet.
Then go to Specific Dungeons and click up Occulus? That should work, right?
The funny thing about Oculus is if you have people who know wtf they are doing / aren't retarded, its one of the quickest dungeons to complete.
The problem with it is that you can quite easily get people that are too incompetent to complete it in 30 minutes, let alone 10-15 minutes.
I remember the first time I took off my Tanking flag on the new LFG system, just to see how long it'd take for the queue to pop. It was Occulus, in a group of well-geared people, the DPS in particular. Hell, the tank and healer I got were from the same realm and the same guild, so the odds of this going smoothly were pretty high.
And then one of the DPS asks which Drake he should get, because he doesn't know what any of them do. He never did Occulus, even though he had ToC gear. The second DPS quickly chimes in saying that he hasn't run it in a while, so he forgot where to go.
The tank then tells us to follow him and starts clearing the drakes.
As in... Every. Single. Drake. In. The. Instance.
I tell him there's no need to clear it all, just as one of the DPS goes AFK. He in turn tells me he wants to be safe. Then the other DPS gets lost in the instance and dies to something, and asks to be rez'd. The healer goes off to find him and gets himself killed too.
I tell the tank that we can skip a lot of mobs safely. He asks me why I'm in such a rush, and his healer buddy chimes in telling me to leave if I'm bothered.
I'm happy to oblige. I leave, wait the debuff out, then queue as a Tank and blaze through DTK.
On a whim I log off and create a character on their realm. After a quick /who, I find out the tank and healer are still in the instance.
Last night my brother and I got Oculus with some really stupid people
A warlock who claimed he knew how to ride a bronze drake and a preist who rode a green but did not know they did not heal till the end
It was just bad my brother was gald they did not get the 20 minute achievement because they did not deserve it
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I've gotten Oculus in LFD two times so far. Both of them were less than stellar experiences, the second being the better of the two.
In the second one, we had two people drop right away, just as the tank said "don't leave, it'll only take 20 minutes, I PROMISE". I think we wiped on Eregos once.
Yesterday I was queued up for a dungeon and got Oculus. I sat there for a few seconds, then typed a brief sentence wishing the group luck and saying I just wasn't in the mood to do it and left. That's right, I was that guy, but I did kind of feel bad about it. I'm DPS, though, so I'm sure they had no problem finding a replacement.
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edited December 2009
I will say, I shouldn't actually say I hate people dropping oculus as much as I did. because, doing it with people who don't know it sucks. and to be honest, I don't know it. granted, that's because since I've had opportunity to go it's been hard as hell to find a group, but it is what it is and the why doesn't matter.
I know a couple of folks in my guild want to do it for the achievements so hopefully that works out soon.
Got a gold farmer hunter in a DM East group recently. Rolled need on everything he could, never said a word, pulled several groups at once and wiped us. On the run back, he fell into the free for all PVP pit and couldn't get out (again, not saying a word). After the second need roll on a random green, we tried to kick him, but it wouldn't let us until the dungeon cooldown wore off. Why is that? Would have saved us a lot of trouble.
Out of all my heroics, I've gotten HoR more times than I can count, and the other 2 new instances... never. As far as I can tell, it's skewed cause some people are queueing up for H-HoR specifically.
i dont know what everyone whines about, it's actually a really easy instance now that it got nerfed. it does seem to go very slowly though.
Dunno about others, but MY problem is the whole "Mount drake. Kill a blue drake. Drop off, AoE pull, mount drake, kill a blue, drop, AoE, mount..."
And to top off the tedious "Fuck you" that is giving you a dragon and barely letting you use it, you get a NEW ability at the end. That you don't get to use on anyone but the boss.
I dunno, my random dungeons seem to be pretty varied. The one I see the least is VH, but I've had all of them pop up fairly regularly. Maybe that's because I do so many though. If I start doing heroics I generally do about ten before I call it a night.
I know for a fact that the code that updates your buttons sometimes bugs out and doesn't update some of them as you train. My friend and I couldn't figure out why a boomkin, pressing all the right buttons, in decent gear, was pulling 1k. Come to find out he was inadvertently downranking spells left and right. He had been healing heroics, successfully, with downranked heals in his tree spec. It was hilarious when we figured it out.
There's two things that cause it to bug: Very old macros (you used to need to specify rank) and dual specs (your inactive spec doesn't update).
The warlock I mentioned, though, didn't know you had to train new spells and didn't level his own character.
Is it really that bad to roll need on Books of Glyph Mastery if you can use them? I've been yelled at twice now by people who wanted to sell them. They sell for 20g on my server...
Is it really that bad to roll need on Books of Glyph Mastery if you can use them? I've been yelled at twice now by people who wanted to sell them. They sell for 20g on my server...
I once Needed that one JC quest item on a H Nexus, and this dude flips out and keeps giving me shit the entire run. Culminating with him, being the healer, convincing the leader to kick me out.
His reasoning: "Doesn't matter that it's your profession, and you're going to use the token to buy your recipes. It sells on the AH, therefore it's Greed."
If you can use it, and will use it, it's Need. Anyone that says otherwise can fuck off.
Is it really that bad to roll need on Books of Glyph Mastery if you can use them? I've been yelled at twice now by people who wanted to sell them. They sell for 20g on my server...
I once Needed that one JC quest item on a H Nexus, and this dude flips out and keeps giving me shit the entire run. Culminating with him, being the healer, convincing the leader to kick me out.
His reasoning: "Doesn't matter that it's your profession, and you're going to use the token to buy your recipes. It sells on the AH, therefore it's Greed."
If you can use it, and will use it, it's Need. Anyone that says otherwise can fuck off.
I agree. If a BOE recipe drops, if you need it, then you need it. I don't see how this is any different from a gear upgrade. Same thing with books, tokens or anything else.
By using the above asshole's logic, even BOE gear upgrades should be rolled as greed, because they can be sold at the AH. Who cares if it's a gear upgrade, right? I would've love to have seen a healing BOE drop, and then forced him to roll greed because "it sells on the AH".
I know for a fact that the code that updates your buttons sometimes bugs out and doesn't update some of them as you train. My friend and I couldn't figure out why a boomkin, pressing all the right buttons, in decent gear, was pulling 1k. Come to find out he was inadvertently downranking spells left and right. He had been healing heroics, successfully, with downranked heals in his tree spec. It was hilarious when we figured it out.
There's two things that cause it to bug: Very old macros (you used to need to specify rank) and dual specs (your inactive spec doesn't update).
The warlock I mentioned, though, didn't know you had to train new spells and didn't level his own character.
I just noticed this on my druid when he got some resto spells but they didn't update. Now I know what caused it. He was in his feral spec
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I ran into a lot of people around this, and I'd been having such a hard time figuring out why, because...
(Spoilered for gnomish buttcheeks)
1007 dps bare ass naked, on the heroic dummy with no hit talents in the class's most gear dependent spec, and to make matters worse it was a patch day and my entire UI was broken. It's not clean or good looking on the best of days, but this mess is not what I usually raid with. The random shaman who showed up likely added a bit, but that barely brought my crit rate into double digits, so I didn't bother trying again for a clean parse.
Anyway, rant and naked gnomes aside, get Rankwatch and you'll understand very quickly why people can be doing 600 dps as level 80. I actually convinced a warlock on my server who was doing 480 dps in a heroic to queue with me and rankwatch lit up like the Vegas strip, guy hadn't trained a single spell since level 60 or earlier.
Man, it's been too long since I played a warlock.
I know for a fact that the code that updates your buttons sometimes bugs out and doesn't update some of them as you train. My friend and I couldn't figure out why a boomkin, pressing all the right buttons, in decent gear, was pulling 1k. Come to find out he was inadvertently downranking spells left and right. He had been healing heroics, successfully, with downranked heals in his tree spec. It was hilarious when we figured it out.
It's made me wonder whether or not the LFD purposely tries to diversify the group by class as opposed to just taking the first DPS in line. I mean, I remember one time we kicked a warlock out of our group and got another warlock. It seemed like a pretty weird coincidence at the time but thinking back it may have been just a part of the system.
I mean, if the DPS classes were all in existence in equal proportions I might understand it, but given the preponderance of paladins and death knights in most of the servers in our battlegroup, the idea that I would never end up with another ret pally if the dps queue was just a straight line seems unlikely to me.
Yesterday was complete hell and I do not wish anything like it on people.
Yesterday I log on my last alt to get a heroic, dps so long wait off the bat, and get oculus, tank and healer drop asap. New leader doesnt que back up for a couple minutes so I leave.
Wait for another que, AN pops up and we get to the first boss and 3 people afk.....for at least 15 mins. They were all from the same server and threatened to kick me when I complained that they were afk for longer then it takes to finish the instance. after that I pulled the boss trash on them and left.
Oculus again, same as before.
OCULUS AGAIN....finish it with competent people, getting make it count in the process.
Log in today, get to the same alt again into VH. Smooth till last boss when tank DC's at the very start and we wipe.
this thiught just occured to me. there are at least 3 instances that the lfg tool hasnt put me in. CoS, UK, and HoL, which are 3 instances i actually like. however, i'vd run Oculus like 8 times since the patch came out.
I agree with this one. If you know the right path, you can fly through Occulus faster than any other instance. No pun intended.
I myself really want to, because in the past 2 weeks of heroics (about 50+) I've seen exactly 1 (UNO! ONE! Oh En Eee!) Warlock in all my pugs. ONE.
But I'm waiting for Worgen.
There's a lot of instances I haven't hit too. WoW Random is Streaky Random.
I haven't hit CoS or HoL either.
it hasn't yet backfired... I mean, I haven't yet had no one leave.
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Oculus is the one instance I need to complete to get Northrend Dungeon Hero on the mage I have been doing randoms with. I would try to stick around to do it if I could but I haven't been tossed into it yet.
Then go to Specific Dungeons and click up Occulus? That should work, right?
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Wouldn't get my emblems and gold then.
I'll keep using the random tool.
The problem with it is that you can quite easily get people that are too incompetent to complete it in 30 minutes, let alone 10-15 minutes.
I remember the first time I took off my Tanking flag on the new LFG system, just to see how long it'd take for the queue to pop. It was Occulus, in a group of well-geared people, the DPS in particular. Hell, the tank and healer I got were from the same realm and the same guild, so the odds of this going smoothly were pretty high.
And then one of the DPS asks which Drake he should get, because he doesn't know what any of them do. He never did Occulus, even though he had ToC gear. The second DPS quickly chimes in saying that he hasn't run it in a while, so he forgot where to go.
The tank then tells us to follow him and starts clearing the drakes.
As in... Every. Single. Drake. In. The. Instance.
I tell him there's no need to clear it all, just as one of the DPS goes AFK. He in turn tells me he wants to be safe. Then the other DPS gets lost in the instance and dies to something, and asks to be rez'd. The healer goes off to find him and gets himself killed too.
I tell the tank that we can skip a lot of mobs safely. He asks me why I'm in such a rush, and his healer buddy chimes in telling me to leave if I'm bothered.
I'm happy to oblige. I leave, wait the debuff out, then queue as a Tank and blaze through DTK.
On a whim I log off and create a character on their realm. After a quick /who, I find out the tank and healer are still in the instance.
A warlock who claimed he knew how to ride a bronze drake and a preist who rode a green but did not know they did not heal till the end
It was just bad my brother was gald they did not get the 20 minute achievement because they did not deserve it
In the second one, we had two people drop right away, just as the tank said "don't leave, it'll only take 20 minutes, I PROMISE". I think we wiped on Eregos once.
Yesterday I was queued up for a dungeon and got Oculus. I sat there for a few seconds, then typed a brief sentence wishing the group luck and saying I just wasn't in the mood to do it and left. That's right, I was that guy, but I did kind of feel bad about it. I'm DPS, though, so I'm sure they had no problem finding a replacement.
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I know a couple of folks in my guild want to do it for the achievements so hopefully that works out soon.
i dont know what everyone whines about, it's actually a really easy instance now that it got nerfed. it does seem to go very slowly though.
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Dunno about others, but MY problem is the whole "Mount drake. Kill a blue drake. Drop off, AoE pull, mount drake, kill a blue, drop, AoE, mount..."
And to top off the tedious "Fuck you" that is giving you a dragon and barely letting you use it, you get a NEW ability at the end. That you don't get to use on anyone but the boss.
It is, but I believe you're less prone to encounter it since some people may be locked out because of their gear.
There's two things that cause it to bug: Very old macros (you used to need to specify rank) and dual specs (your inactive spec doesn't update).
The warlock I mentioned, though, didn't know you had to train new spells and didn't level his own character.
I once Needed that one JC quest item on a H Nexus, and this dude flips out and keeps giving me shit the entire run. Culminating with him, being the healer, convincing the leader to kick me out.
His reasoning: "Doesn't matter that it's your profession, and you're going to use the token to buy your recipes. It sells on the AH, therefore it's Greed."
If you can use it, and will use it, it's Need. Anyone that says otherwise can fuck off.
I agree. If a BOE recipe drops, if you need it, then you need it. I don't see how this is any different from a gear upgrade. Same thing with books, tokens or anything else.
By using the above asshole's logic, even BOE gear upgrades should be rolled as greed, because they can be sold at the AH. Who cares if it's a gear upgrade, right? I would've love to have seen a healing BOE drop, and then forced him to roll greed because "it sells on the AH".
Honestly, some people are just assholes.
I just noticed this on my druid when he got some resto spells but they didn't update. Now I know what caused it. He was in his feral spec