Irond WillWARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!Cambridge. MAModeratorMod Emeritus
edited March 2010
i dated a girl whose family had dietary restrictions and were kind of hippies back in high school. they used no salt in their cooking, and I ate over at her house pretty much exclusively for a several weeks.
it tasted bland as hell, and i really only coped by putting cayenne pepper on everything. eventually, though, i started to taste aspects of the food that i had never really been able to taste before - like there were a lot of interesting and good flavors in there that the salt i was used to had been washing out.
of course it took about one or two super-salty mcdonalds meals to get me back to the point where i couldn't taste anything that wasn't really salty again.
anyhow, this is ridiculous legislation.
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Well, if the gun control threads have taught me anything, it's that no matter how other people might feel about something, if it's dangerous it should be banned.
Do not drag gun control in here or I will blast you with a shotgun loaded with rock salt.
This would be a dealth penalty offense in NY, if the athiest state legislatures cared more about executing their death row inmates instead of gay marrying each other like gays.
The thing is that most people just plain don't care. Places (in my area, at least) are required to provide nutritional information, and a lot of places around here have that information right on the table and obviously labeled. But nobody gives a shit, because they don't want to give up their Bloomin' Onions and Triple Chocolate Death Cakes and Cheesy Pasta In Cheese Sauce Sprinkled With Cheese And Oh Hell Just Go Swim In The Mozzerella Vat Already.
A lot of information is ignored by a lot of people, often to their detriment. I myself tend to avoid eating our largely because I can't count the damned calories.
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I very rarely put salt on my food, though of course I eat a lot of packaged food so much of it is pre-salted. But vegetables and rice is just fine without adding salt to taste.
I wouldn't mind a LIMIT to salting things, if there was a practicable way to enforce it.
And again, that's just silly, there is a natural limit in this. Using an unhealthy amount of salt makes things taste better, this is known. But turning your prime rib into jerky will cause your business to fail.
The reality is that people prefer salty food. Trying to put limits into place, for "their own damn good", isn't a good idea.
It's not practicable, anyways.
I prefer the notion of them being made to inform customers about basic nutrition facts, more than anything, but again, not practicable.
The thing is that most people just plain don't care. Places (in my area, at least) are required to provide nutritional information, and a lot of places around here have that information right on the table and obviously labeled. But nobody gives a shit, because they don't want to give up their Bloomin' Onions and Triple Chocolate Death Cakes and Cheesy Pasta In Cheese Sauce Sprinkled With Cheese And Oh Hell Just Go Swim In The Mozzerella Vat Already.
The reality is that everyone is already aware that those things are bad for them (except maybe the parents of those michelin man kids, but they're probably beyond help anyway.) As nice as it is to see that a whopper has 1000 calories in it or whatever, by the time I've decided I want fast food the specifics are pretty unimportant to me.
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Well, if the gun control threads have taught me anything, it's that no matter how other people might feel about something, if it's dangerous it should be banned.
Do not drag gun control in here or I will blast you with a shotgun loaded with rock salt.
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edited March 2010
Well, baking is all chemistry. If you don't have an ingredient, then chemical reactions won't work correctly.
Well, baking is all chemistry. If you don't have an ingredient, then chemical reactions won't work correctly.
I'm currently trying to master baking, and it's fun learning what different ingredients do. It's like, "Oh, so that's the difference between baking powder and baking soda."
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The thing is that most people just plain don't care. Places (in my area, at least) are required to provide nutritional information, and a lot of places around here have that information right on the table and obviously labeled. But nobody gives a shit, because they don't want to give up their Bloomin' Onions and Triple Chocolate Death Cakes and Cheesy Pasta In Cheese Sauce Sprinkled With Cheese And Oh Hell Just Go Swim In The Mozzerella Vat Already.
The reality is that everyone is already aware that those things are bad for them (except maybe the parents of those michelin man kids, but they're probably beyond help anyway.) As nice as it is to see that a whopper has 1000 calories in it or whatever, by the time I've decided I want fast food the specifics are pretty unimportant to me.
They probably know that the chicken parmigiana is bad for them, but I'd wager few of them know how truly awful it is if they haven't specifically looked into it. I mean yeah, sure, cheese and cream sauce is obviously bad for you. But I've yet to meet someone who wasn't shocked to discover that their favorite dish is, like, 2500 calories and 120 grams of fat, or something. It's counter-intuitive to think that a single entree has more than your RDA of calories and fat and sodium and whatnot.
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when you say baking, you mean, with the goal of someday producing food?
Oh, no no, I'm just trying to make new and exciting IEDs.
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Well, baking is all chemistry. If you don't have an ingredient, then chemical reactions won't work correctly.
I'm currently trying to master baking, and it's fun learning what different ingredients do. It's like, "Oh, so that's the difference between baking powder and baking soda."
I don't want to imagine what came out of that experiment....
If it wasn't for the inherent culinary impossibility of it, I think you could make a straight faced argument it was a good idea.
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edited March 2010
I guess the point could be made that if you make all the food in the state taste like bland garbage then people will eat less of it and might not be as obese.
Salt is the oldest spice, seasoning, curing agent, etc. known to man. To craft a law such as this that unequivocally suggests it is a bad thing for you is like trying to draft a law that bans restaurants from serving any sort of grain products because you subscribe to the Atkin's Diet and believe that carbs are evil and the source of our nations fatties.
I welcome the day we no longer have to worry about any of this and simply take our food-tablets like the obedient gerbils we are.
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edited March 2010
Some people need to watch more Good Eats. Salt isn't just some to make food taste better, it IS what makes food taste better or good period. That's one of its chemical functions.
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Just in case you can't find any salt that's kosher.
I thought it was because it tastes bad enough without salt intensifying it. I was also unaware that it was possible for salt not to be kosher without containing pig blood, as the term "kosher salt" really means "kosherifying salt."
Just in case you can't find any salt that's kosher.
I thought it was because it tastes bad enough without salt intensifying it. I was also unaware that it was possible for salt not to be kosher without containing pig blood, as the term "kosher salt" really means "kosherifying salt."
Ah yes. I forgot, no one can make a simple joke without it being over-analyzed here.
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edited March 2010
The latest episode of Good Eats was all about how salt can be used to enhance the flavor of sweetness and even remove the bitter taste of, say, grapefruit. It made me more excited for salt. The episode after that was about pretzels. <_<
Someone's lifestyle (diet) should not be made into law, this is fucking silly goosery.
Apparently health-related legislation is his thing. It's just that this proposal crosses the line from "good idea" to "that might have possibly been a good idea at some point but wow, it's not one now".
Some people need to watch more Good Eats. Salt isn't just some to make food taste better, it IS what makes food taste better or good period. That's one of its chemical functions.
Tell that to McDonalds.
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Some people need to watch more Good Eats. Salt isn't just some to make food taste better, it IS what makes food taste better or good period. That's one of its chemical functions.
Tell that to McDonalds.
Yeah... not even close to being relevant or witty. It isn't fairy dust, if it's bad food it's bad food. Plus, the type of salt matters, Iodized salt tastes funky and that's what is used most common. Also the quantity, obviously too much salt will make things taste bad.
Same token, if you hate McDonalds as it is, without salt you'd hate it more.
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edited March 2010
Pickles are bad, McDonald's uses them.
Bread is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Meat is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Chicken is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Lettuce is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Onions are bad, McDonald's uses them.
Edit - editing to be less of a needless slam against someone / misunderstanding
I can't imagine a single chef not saying "What the fuck is wrong with this fucking guy, what the fuck does he know about cooking?"
Honestly, he sounds like the country club members I used to cook for when I worked at a country club. They would demand no butter, no salt, and over cooked eggs for their omlettes but then complain that it didn't taste good. They were just so missinformed on health and diet it was incredible. They wouldn't eat scallions because three years ago there was a case of ecoli from a batch of scallions.
I can't imagine a single chef not saying "What the fuck is wrong with this fucking guy, what the fuck does he know about cooking?"
Honestly, he sounds like the country club members I used to cook for when I worked at a country club. They would demand no butter, no salt, and over cooked eggs for their omlettes but then complain that it didn't taste good. They were just so missinformed on health and diet it was incredible. They wouldn't eat scallions because three years ago there was a case of ecoli from a batch of scallions.
Bah, these types of people make me crazy.
You can make an omelette just fine with oil instead of butter.
As for salt... the last omelette I made was with whatever I had in the cupboard.
EDIT- It also does not melt ice. It raises the freezing point to help prevent it from refreezing.
It does melt ice. Learn chemistry noob.
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No it doesn't. It lowers the freezing point once the ice starts melting - preventing it refreezing.
Ice is solid - salt won't penetrate or do anything to it, it's not energetic enough. All it does is stabilize that thin layer of water as it melts.
It'll melt it, very very slowly. For a better example, if you have a mixture of two crystal types, they melt at a lower temperature than a pure one, even though they're both solid. Same thing with ice, only since it's a block instead of a bunch of tiny crystals, it takes freaking forever.
EDIT- It also does not melt ice. It raises the freezing point to help prevent it from refreezing.
It does melt ice. Learn chemistry noob.
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No it doesn't. It lowers the freezing point once the ice starts melting - preventing it refreezing.
Ice is solid - salt won't penetrate or do anything to it, it's not energetic enough. All it does is stabilize that thin layer of water as it melts.
Hmmm. I think you may be right if you could somehow isolate pure ice, but in reality, there are small phase fluctuations at the surface of ice, so there is some liquid present, which the salt then mixes with. However, I believe once you get some water mixed with salt surrounding the ice, then there's some stuff with the equilibrium that gets thrown out of whack which causes more ice to melt.
I'll admit that I don't fully understand it, but god damn it, I remember doing this experiment. Take a sheet of ice, put it in a environment slightly below freezing (say -1°C) and then sprinkle salt on it and it will melt.
The latest episode of Good Eats was all about how salt can be used to enhance the flavor of sweetness and even remove the bitter taste of, say, grapefruit. It made me more excited for salt. The episode after that was about pretzels. <_<
Someone's lifestyle (diet) should not be made into law, this is fucking silly goosery.
I've actually tried this before and it did indeed make the grapefruit taste sweeter. Just be sure to use very little salt.
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it tasted bland as hell, and i really only coped by putting cayenne pepper on everything. eventually, though, i started to taste aspects of the food that i had never really been able to taste before - like there were a lot of interesting and good flavors in there that the salt i was used to had been washing out.
of course it took about one or two super-salty mcdonalds meals to get me back to the point where i couldn't taste anything that wasn't really salty again.
anyhow, this is ridiculous legislation.
This would be a dealth penalty offense in NY, if the athiest state legislatures cared more about executing their death row inmates instead of gay marrying each other like gays.
In closing, abortion.
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A lot of information is ignored by a lot of people, often to their detriment. I myself tend to avoid eating our largely because I can't count the damned calories.
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I very rarely put salt on my food, though of course I eat a lot of packaged food so much of it is pre-salted. But vegetables and rice is just fine without adding salt to taste.
The reality is that everyone is already aware that those things are bad for them (except maybe the parents of those michelin man kids, but they're probably beyond help anyway.) As nice as it is to see that a whopper has 1000 calories in it or whatever, by the time I've decided I want fast food the specifics are pretty unimportant to me.
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tasty!
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That's a lot of balls in a whitish liquid:winky:
I'm currently trying to master baking, and it's fun learning what different ingredients do. It's like, "Oh, so that's the difference between baking powder and baking soda."
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
They probably know that the chicken parmigiana is bad for them, but I'd wager few of them know how truly awful it is if they haven't specifically looked into it. I mean yeah, sure, cheese and cream sauce is obviously bad for you. But I've yet to meet someone who wasn't shocked to discover that their favorite dish is, like, 2500 calories and 120 grams of fat, or something. It's counter-intuitive to think that a single entree has more than your RDA of calories and fat and sodium and whatnot.
Oh, no no, I'm just trying to make new and exciting IEDs.
Also baking is one of the best ways to anneal metals!
Don't need salt for that, no sir!
I don't want to imagine what came out of that experiment....
If it wasn't for the inherent culinary impossibility of it, I think you could make a straight faced argument it was a good idea.
Then we can have a stick of butter at the table and rub it on our food.
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Just in case you can't find any salt that's kosher.
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I thought it was because it tastes bad enough without salt intensifying it. I was also unaware that it was possible for salt not to be kosher without containing pig blood, as the term "kosher salt" really means "kosherifying salt."
Ah yes. I forgot, no one can make a simple joke without it being over-analyzed here.
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Someone's lifestyle (diet) should not be made into law, this is fucking silly goosery.
It's not.
Also, he's in favor of a tax on soft drinks.
Apparently health-related legislation is his thing. It's just that this proposal crosses the line from "good idea" to "that might have possibly been a good idea at some point but wow, it's not one now".
It does melt ice. Learn chemistry noob.
Tell that to McDonalds.
Yeah... not even close to being relevant or witty. It isn't fairy dust, if it's bad food it's bad food. Plus, the type of salt matters, Iodized salt tastes funky and that's what is used most common. Also the quantity, obviously too much salt will make things taste bad.
Same token, if you hate McDonalds as it is, without salt you'd hate it more.
Bread is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Meat is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Chicken is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Lettuce is bad, McDonald's uses it.
Onions are bad, McDonald's uses them.
Edit - editing to be less of a needless slam against someone / misunderstanding
Honestly, he sounds like the country club members I used to cook for when I worked at a country club. They would demand no butter, no salt, and over cooked eggs for their omlettes but then complain that it didn't taste good. They were just so missinformed on health and diet it was incredible. They wouldn't eat scallions because three years ago there was a case of ecoli from a batch of scallions.
Bah, these types of people make me crazy.
That damn water, always drowning people.
You can make an omelette just fine with oil instead of butter.
As for salt... the last omelette I made was with whatever I had in the cupboard.
All I really had was anchovies.
???
No it doesn't. It lowers the freezing point once the ice starts melting - preventing it refreezing.
Ice is solid - salt won't penetrate or do anything to it, it's not energetic enough. All it does is stabilize that thin layer of water as it melts.
It'll melt it, very very slowly. For a better example, if you have a mixture of two crystal types, they melt at a lower temperature than a pure one, even though they're both solid. Same thing with ice, only since it's a block instead of a bunch of tiny crystals, it takes freaking forever.
So, everyone's right?
And wrong.
Hmmm. I think you may be right if you could somehow isolate pure ice, but in reality, there are small phase fluctuations at the surface of ice, so there is some liquid present, which the salt then mixes with. However, I believe once you get some water mixed with salt surrounding the ice, then there's some stuff with the equilibrium that gets thrown out of whack which causes more ice to melt.
I'll admit that I don't fully understand it, but god damn it, I remember doing this experiment. Take a sheet of ice, put it in a environment slightly below freezing (say -1°C) and then sprinkle salt on it and it will melt.
I've actually tried this before and it did indeed make the grapefruit taste sweeter. Just be sure to use very little salt.