My dad is trying to get me to read the god delusion. I will have to at some point I guess.
Didn't agree with what I have read of it. On morals and evolution.
What's your take, then?
That without a divine lawgiver there can be no natural right or wrong, which is what I define morals as
so basically, there's no inherent moral rules anywhere
there's no thing you can physically do that you for some other reason can't
It's been awhile since I read it, but I want to say that you and Dawkins might be talking apples and oranges. Evolution here would describe the origins of human propensity to act in a way that we would call moral, or at least altruistic.
Yeah, I know
I'm arguing a minor point, that I think the terms of morality, good and evil are unecessary
but actually talking about what he is talking about, I disagree about that too
humans have a propensity to act like we act, including sharing, caring and selflessly giving to members of our social group, but also just as easily kill those fuckers in the tribe across the river and take their food.
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Ugh, no, Haikus are awful (in English), just stop.
I see you have an opinion.
I have a different one.
Look man, why take a form that was designed around a language that is nothing like ours and suits our language terribly when there are tons of forms that suit our language swimmingly?
Language limits, huh?
No friend, it suits me just fine
I kill time with them.
Ugh, no, Haikus are awful (in English), just stop.
I see you have an opinion.
I have a different one.
Look man, why take a form that was designed around a language that is nothing like ours and suits our language terribly when there are tons of forms that suit our language swimmingly?
The fact that the haiku format in English bears little/no relation to the original Japanese form (which I totally agree with) doesn't make it automatically bad.
I, uh, don't know why you think it suits English poorly.
You're going "I don't like something so it is objectively bad" which is a silly thing to do in anything relating to art.
My dad is trying to get me to read the god delusion. I will have to at some point I guess.
Didn't agree with what I have read of it. On morals and evolution.
What's your take, then?
That without a divine lawgiver there can be no natural right or wrong, which is what I define morals as
so basically, there's no inherent moral rules anywhere
there's no thing you can physically do that you for some other reason can't
It's been awhile since I read it, but I want to say that you and Dawkins might be talking apples and oranges. Evolution here would describe the origins of human propensity to act in a way that we would call moral, or at least altruistic.
Yeah, I know
I'm arguing a minor point, that I think the terms of morality, good and evil are unecessary
but actually talking about what he is talking about, I disagree about that too
humans have a propensity to act like we act, including sharing, caring and selflessly giving to members of our social group, but also just as easily kill those fuckers in the tribe across the river and take their food.
so?
the term "morality" is necessary to describe why people don't kill the other tribe across the river.
The fact that the haiku format in English bears little/no relation to the original Japanese form (which I totally agree with) doesn't make it automatically bad.
I, uh, don't know why you think it suits English poorly.
You're going "I don't like something so it is objectively bad" which is a silly thing to do in anything relating to art.
I am going to choke you to death if you strawman me again. You're the first person to bring up the term objective in this conversation.
I think it suits english poorly because I think it's a form that doesn't work with the fact that english can take a lot of syllables to convey even a simple idea, doesn't play with meter at all, doesn't play with rhyme at all, etc.
@Feral: I, as someone opposed to humanism, am interested in hearing your definition of "humanism."
Hmm.
I have problems coming up with operant definitions of philosophical terms, but I'll give it a shot.
Humanism is the notion that human well-being is the most important moral value, and that humans are capable of crafting a system of ethics that maximizes that value (in a utilitarian sense).
I'm a little unhappy with that definition, because it leaves out other species; I wish there were a term that meant "human well-being is the most important moral value, but other species also have value, and we should endeavor to maximize our well-being in ways that do not reduce the well-being of other species when possible" but I can't think of one.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
all religion debates have to be in some sort of verse
new rule?
There once was a man from Brunswick
Who claimed he could take away your God delusions right quick
He'd argue you blind, then grab your behind
and impale you with his big dick
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@Feral: I, as someone opposed to humanism, am interested in hearing your definition of "humanism."
Hmm.
I have problems coming up with operant definitions of philosophical terms, but I'll give it a shot.
Humanism is the notion that human well-being is the most important moral value, and that humans are capable of crafting a system of ethics that maximizes that value (in a utilitarian sense).
I'm a little unhappy with that definition, because it leaves out other species; I wish there were a term that meant "human well-being is the most important moral value, but other species also have value, and we should endeavor to maximize our well-being in ways that do not reduce the well-being of other species when possible" but I can't think of one.
The fact that the haiku format in English bears little/no relation to the original Japanese form (which I totally agree with) doesn't make it automatically bad.
I, uh, don't know why you think it suits English poorly.
You're going "I don't like something so it is objectively bad" which is a silly thing to do in anything relating to art.
I am going to choke you to death if you strawman me again. You're the first person to bring up the term objective in this conversation.
I think it suits english poorly because I think it's a form that doesn't work with the fact that english can take a lot of syllables to convey even a simple idea, doesn't play with meter at all, doesn't play with rhyme at all, etc.
I actually have to go out so this is my last post for now:
You said haiku are awful. You gave reasons for why they are actually awful. You didn't say you don't like them, you said they are awful and suit English poorly.
If you had said "I do not like haiku" we would not be having this discussion.
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@Feral: I, as someone opposed to humanism, am interested in hearing your definition of "humanism."
Hmm.
I have problems coming up with operant definitions of philosophical terms, but I'll give it a shot.
Humanism is the notion that human well-being is the most important moral value, and that humans are capable of crafting a system of ethics that maximizes that value (in a utilitarian sense).
I'm a little unhappy with that definition, because it leaves out other species; I wish there were a term that meant "human well-being is the most important moral value, but other species also have value, and we should endeavor to maximize our well-being in ways that do not reduce the well-being of other species when possible" but I can't think of one.
That's general utilitarianism, and also conflates homo-sapiens with humans, which isn't necessarily the case.
I actually have to go out so this is my last post for now:
You said haiku are awful. You gave reasons for why they are actually awful. You didn't say you don't like them, you said they are awful and suit English poorly.
If you had said "I do not like haiku" we would not be having this discussion.
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Yeah, I know
I'm arguing a minor point, that I think the terms of morality, good and evil are unecessary
but actually talking about what he is talking about, I disagree about that too
humans have a propensity to act like we act, including sharing, caring and selflessly giving to members of our social group, but also just as easily kill those fuckers in the tribe across the river and take their food.
No friend, it suits me just fine
I kill time with them.
The fact that the haiku format in English bears little/no relation to the original Japanese form (which I totally agree with) doesn't make it automatically bad.
I, uh, don't know why you think it suits English poorly.
You're going "I don't like something so it is objectively bad" which is a silly thing to do in anything relating to art.
How dare you deny
the loving wisdom of god
Go fuck off and die
all religion debates have to be in some sort of verse
new rule?
oh dude
there are so many terrible chats
lady gaga chat and tipping chat and transgender chat and anime chat
too many to name
so?
the term "morality" is necessary to describe why people don't kill the other tribe across the river.
we both know he doesn't have that
I am going to choke you to death if you strawman me again. You're the first person to bring up the term objective in this conversation.
I think it suits english poorly because I think it's a form that doesn't work with the fact that english can take a lot of syllables to convey even a simple idea, doesn't play with meter at all, doesn't play with rhyme at all, etc.
I for one endorse poop chat
least we can all agree there
talking about morality
while I know for a fact he is a rapist
you are all delusional
tact can fuck itself
Sonnets are longer. The brevity of haiku makes it harder for this use.
I actually have a terribly sensitive gag reflex. I've thrown up brushing my tongue before. It sucks.
Fuck you, you heathen
My God's dick is bigger
Than your God's dick.
makes me hungry. I will
commune via steak.
Hahahahaha. No. Not at all.
Write me a haiku and then write me a sonnet and you tell me which one was easier.
Note how the people of chat are having no difficulty in insulting each other via haiku.
Pony chat is pretty bad too.
Hmm.
I have problems coming up with operant definitions of philosophical terms, but I'll give it a shot.
Humanism is the notion that human well-being is the most important moral value, and that humans are capable of crafting a system of ethics that maximizes that value (in a utilitarian sense).
I'm a little unhappy with that definition, because it leaves out other species; I wish there were a term that meant "human well-being is the most important moral value, but other species also have value, and we should endeavor to maximize our well-being in ways that do not reduce the well-being of other species when possible" but I can't think of one.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
look if you didn't want it, then you wouldn't have been walking around with no pawns covering your delicate parts
And now we know why Sarsksus is single!
Well, one of the many reasons.
Children in restaurants and cellphones in theater [chat] are way up there on the horrible list, too.
There once was a man from Brunswick
Who claimed he could take away your God delusions right quick
He'd argue you blind, then grab your behind
and impale you with his big dick
In before Will makes a yiffing joke
e: environmentalism?
That would be fucking awesome.
I actually have to go out so this is my last post for now:
You said haiku are awful. You gave reasons for why they are actually awful. You didn't say you don't like them, you said they are awful and suit English poorly.
If you had said "I do not like haiku" we would not be having this discussion.
That's general utilitarianism, and also conflates homo-sapiens with humans, which isn't necessarily the case.
it's like I raise the summon German light
it doesn't happen often now that we don't have m(any?) transgender posters
but oh man
it is a bad chat
IT IT IT
Die in a car fire.
And yet, all you get is me.