right, and we're two people with two cats, and we pay about $400-$500, so that follows
Ludious doesn't have kids, but I think he has dogs? still, $1000 a month for groceries either means he and his wife are disgusting people or just that groceries are retarded expensive there
i'm willing to bet on the latter, especially since he apparently lives in the Desolation of Katrina
Gonna give you my average Bills just so you guys will stop giving me the stank eye
House: $1300
Car: $525 (we have ONE car that we have to depend on for a lot miles, so. Give me a break here. It's a Ford Edge Btw. Judge me how you will)
Water: $80 ($30 of this are "Katrina Fees". No. Nobody knows what that is.
Power: $200 (And I live in a super energy efficient house and keep vents closed doors closed etc. I am actually pretty green)
Cellphones: $130 (no home phones.)
Gas: $200
Cable/Internet: $150 (No premium channels. CableOne sucks.)
Groceries: Lets say $1000 for a month.
So yeah that would be all my paycheck. No room for entertainment. I'd have to cut off netflix/WoW.
you realize all that only comes to 43k right?
my paycheck after taxes is all that matters to reality though. and we're talking if my wife lost her job.
yeah, I mean I get that. But I am fairly certain you could cut groceries and the cable/internet and most likely the cell phone bills down a LOT if it came to it
so can we consider [chat] more or less saved, or is the vulture shadow of Tube still circling? have we shaped up?
I feel that we have shaped up.
they say i'm really sexy
the boys they wanna sex me
they always standin next to me
tryna feel my hump, hump
lookin at my lump, lump
you can look but you can't touch it
if you touch it i'ma start some drama
you don't want no drama
no no drama, no no no no drama
so don't pull on my hand boy
you ain't my man boy
i'm just tryna [chat] boy
and move my hump
Just shy of $500 for two people and two cats here.
And we tend to eat pretty lavishly.
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The air and space on the mall is pretty lame and dirty, but goddamn if I don't feel all warm and tingly looking at the moon capsule and the Spirit of St. Louis.
Gonna give you my average Bills just so you guys will stop giving me the stank eye
House: $1300
Car: $525 (we have ONE car that we have to depend on for a lot miles, so. Give me a break here. It's a Ford Edge Btw. Judge me how you will)
Water: $80 ($30 of this are "Katrina Fees". No. Nobody knows what that is.
Power: $200 (And I live in a super energy efficient house and keep vents closed doors closed etc. I am actually pretty green)
Cellphones: $130 (no home phones.)
Gas: $200
Cable/Internet: $150 (No premium channels. CableOne sucks.)
Groceries: Lets say $1000 for a month.
So yeah that would be all my paycheck. No room for entertainment. I'd have to cut off netflix/WoW.
2 things. 1 I'm surprised you don't have enough in savings considering your earnings to own a car outright since that's otherwise wasted money. B what in the hell do you eat? ~$1k was basically my monthly living expenses in total while in DC. Which included a lot of stuff I had to throw out because they don't sell salt in small enough containers. Also, I ate out a hell of a lot and at semi-fancy places somewhat regularly because of socializing. Granted I wasn't paying rent or utilities, but still.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
man I went to the grocery store the other day and bought stuff for our puppy, and like..some drinks (non alcoholic) and some meat and it was like $90. I cried inside.
When I get a job I'mma bee spendin' money like crazy. You can buhlee dat.
One man stimulus package up in the hizee.
Dude the 3 months after I landed my job were like being on the price is right and winning all the time. Except with spending money too.
And then I bought all the stuff I wanted and now I feel empty!
OK, not really. But it's all upgrades now or something.
That's how I'm going to be. I will briefly consider making larger payments on my student loans and then I'll be all "Fuck that shit, big-ass TV HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
man I went to the grocery store the other day and bought stuff for our puppy, and like..some drinks (non alcoholic) and some meat and it was like $90. I cried inside.
yeah, you live in a crazyland, Ludious
try to keep this in mind in the future when discussions of income and shit come up, not everybody lives in a price-inflated hell-hole
To allow for thermal expansion at the high operational temperatures, the fuselage panels were manufactured to fit only loosely on the ground. Proper alignment was only achieved when the airframe heated due to air resistance at high speeds, causing the airframe to expand several inches. Because of this, and the lack of a fuel sealing system that could handle the thermal expansion of the airframe at extreme temperatures, the aircraft would leak JP-7 jet fuel onto the runway before it took off. The aircraft would quickly make a short sprint, meant to warm up the airframe, and was then refueled in the air before departing on its mission. Cooling was carried out by cycling fuel behind the titanium surfaces at the front of the wings (chines). On landing after a mission the canopy temperature was over 300 °C (572 °F), too hot to approach. Non-fibrous asbestos with high heat tolerance was used in high-temperature areas
The SR-71 was the world's fastest and highest-flying operational manned aircraft throughout its career. On 28 July 1976, SR-71 serial number 61-7962 broke the world record for its class: an "absolute altitude record" of 85,069 feet (25,929 m).[63][7][64][65] Several aircraft exceeded this altitude in zoom climbs but not in sustained flight.[66] That same day SR-71, serial number 61-7958 set an absolute speed record of 1,905.81 knots (2,193.2 mph; 3,529.6 km/h).[7][67]
The SR-71 also holds the "Speed Over a Recognized Course" record for flying from New York to London distance 5,645 kilometres (3,508 mi), 1,435.587 miles per hour (2,310.353 km/h), and an elapsed time of 1 hour 54 minutes and 56.4 seconds, set on 1 September 1974 while flown by U.S. Air Force Pilot Maj. James V. Sullivan and Maj. Noel F. Widdifield, reconnaissance systems officer (RSO).[68] This equates to an average velocity of about Mach 2.68, including deceleration for in-flight refueling. Peak speeds during this flight were probably closer to the declassified top speed of Mach 3.2+. For comparison, the best commercial Concorde flight time was 2 hours 52 minutes, and the Boeing 747 averages 6 hours 15 minutes.
Pilot and RSO,
6 March 1990
Last SR-71 Senior Crown flightWhen the SR-71 was retired in 1990, one Blackbird was flown from its birthplace at United States Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale, California, to go on exhibit at what is now the Smithsonian Institution's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Virginia. On 6 March 1990, Lt. Col. Raymond "Ed" E. Yielding and Lt. Col. Joseph "Jt" T. Vida piloted SR-71 S/N 61-7972 on its final Senior Crown flight and set 4 new speed records in the process.
Los Angeles, Ca. to Washington, D.C., distance 2,299.7 miles (3,701.0 km), average speed 2,144.8 miles per hour (3,451.7 km/h), and an elapsed time of 64 minutes 20 seconds.[68]
West Coast to East Coast, distance 2,404 miles (3,869 km), average speed 2,124.5 miles per hour (3,419.1 km/h), and an elapsed time of 67 minutes 54 seconds.
Kansas City, Missouri to Washington D.C., distance 942 miles (1,516 km), average speed 2,176 miles per hour (3,502 km/h), and an elapsed time of 25 minutes 59 seconds.
St. Louis, Missouri to Cincinnati, Ohio, distance 311.4 miles (501.1 km), average speed 2,189.9 miles per hour (3,524.3 km/h), and an elapsed time of 8 minutes 32 seconds.
an excerpt from Sled Driver:
Written by Brian Schul - former sled (SR-71 Blackbird) driver
There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the
fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of
this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun
to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to
describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there
was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it
was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.
It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We
needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain
Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the
century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was
performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we
were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because
we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a
great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping
across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see
the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after
many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.
I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There
he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us,
tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice
for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority
transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult,
too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire
flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part
of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I
still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground,
however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my
expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been
honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest
radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed
me that luxury.
Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the
radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him.
The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below
us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on
their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and
normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their
airspace.
We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for
a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: "November Charlie 175,
I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground."
Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether
they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One,
they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone
that made one feel important. I referred to it as the " Houston Center
voice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on
this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct
voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since
then wanted to sound like that, and that they basically did.
And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in,
it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that
tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots
everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure
that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least
like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.
Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on
frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed. "I
have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed." Boy, I
thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna
brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore
came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because
he sounded very cool on the radios. "Center, Dusty 52 ground speed
check". Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty
52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why
is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol' Dusty here is
making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave
knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today,
and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his
new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with
more distinct alliteration than emotion: "Dusty 52, Center, we have
you at 620 on the ground."
And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand
instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that
Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done -
in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be
lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our
Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew
and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity
of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn.
Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside
his space helmet. Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from
the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had
become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke:
"Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?"
There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday
request. "Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and
forty-two knots, across the ground."
I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate
and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation,
and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I
knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long
time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most
fighter-pilot-like voice: "Ah, Center, much thanks, we're showing
closer to nineteen hundred on the money."
For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in
the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A.came back with, "Roger
that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You
boys have a good one."
It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable
sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal
airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and
more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a
crew. A fine day's work. We never heard another transmission on that
frequency all the way to the coast.
For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.
LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
Eggs? I'll have to look. I don't buy eggs a lot. And I padded that $1000 with some wiggle room for eating out at lunch etc. if I brown bagged it and supplemented I could get it down to $800.
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LudiousI just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
I mean I COULD live on $200 grocery wise if I wanted to eat red beans and rice for a month and then kill myself. I'm sure my wife could get sustenance off of me for at least 6 months.
the "Doctor Lakra" stuff i saw on thursday at the ICA
i don't remember the dude who did the little clothes
Saw the shepard fairey exhibit there last year
and uh composers i guess i know philip glass and john cage. i'm not really sure when their "era" was supposed to be.
Do you think that I would be misrepresenting you if I said you were ignorant of the the music and artworld post WWII?
well, I would recognize and could characterize Rothko and Matisse and Duchamp and Modnrian and O'Keefe and Dali and Magritte and Hopper and Kahlo and Warhol and Lichtenstein and Ansel Adams and Pollock.
I mean, I'd probably put myself at least at the 90% mark of Americans in terms of famliarity and literacy with "modern art," esp the visual arts.
I've been to a Stravinsky opera and the Threepenny Opera.
I dunno dude. I definitely am not as knowledgable as someone who got a degree in art history, but I'm definitely above the threshold of "a guy who is ignorant of the art world after WWII relative to the broad population"
Eggs? I'll have to look. I don't buy eggs a lot. And I padded that $1000 with some wiggle room for eating out at lunch etc. if I brown bagged it and supplemented I could get it down to $800.
that still says to me the cost of groceries in your area is really high
you live in a place with a stupid cost of living, ludious. this is pretty much fact. there's factors as to why this is the case (people in your area seem to like using Katrina as a scapegoat for why they gouge you)
i live in Toronto, the biggest city in Canada. and not in the burbs, either, i live right smack in the city and i'm actually moving further in to the city next week
and my living expenses for being in a similar situation to yours (got a woman and some pets) is less than half of yours
some of that is lifestyle stuff (you have a car, i use public transit) but some of that seems to be just you live in a shitty place that is too expensive.
Which included a lot of stuff I had to throw out because they don't sell salt in small enough containers.
I call this "the single tax" and I fucking hate it.
No, it's the 'temporary living arrangement' tax. I can go through a grinder of salt eventually, just not in 2 months. Even with 3 other people using it as well.
Now, not being able to buy meat in sizes of smaller than a 1.3lbs...
Gonna give you my average Bills just so you guys will stop giving me the stank eye
House: $1300
Car: $525 (we have ONE car that we have to depend on for a lot miles, so. Give me a break here. It's a Ford Edge Btw. Judge me how you will)
Water: $80 ($30 of this are "Katrina Fees". No. Nobody knows what that is.
Power: $200 (And I live in a super energy efficient house and keep vents closed doors closed etc. I am actually pretty green)
Cellphones: $130 (no home phones.)
Gas: $200
Cable/Internet: $150 (No premium channels. CableOne sucks.)
Groceries: Lets say $1000 for a month.
So yeah that would be all my paycheck. No room for entertainment. I'd have to cut off netflix/WoW.
2 things. 1 I'm surprised you don't have enough in savings considering your earnings to own a car outright since that's otherwise wasted money. B what in the hell do you eat? ~$1k was basically my monthly living expenses in total while in DC. Which included a lot of stuff I had to throw out because they don't sell salt in small enough containers. Also, I ate out a hell of a lot and at semi-fancy places somewhat regularly because of socializing. Granted I wasn't paying rent or utilities, but still.
Yeah, the car and the groceries really stick out to me. Either by buying the car outright, or if the fear of being poor is so crippling, I'd think about buying a cheaper used car. I'd be surprised if the location factor affected cars significantly.
However, if these two categories were much less, someone similar to him could theoretically add student loans to the mix and make up all or most of it. Of course, they can be deferred, and would an unemployed wife of someone making $43,000 still get unemployment to cover some of these costs? I don't know very much about it.
Also, savings in general, considering half of the income does basically just cover ALL costs.
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edited August 2010
Gooey why is Sled Driver so fucking expensive? I've read that excerpt so many times, and god I'd love to read the book, but not for over four-hundred-fucking-dollars.
guh the instant I can, I am making bigger payments on my student loans gundam
Honestly, I'm going to be exactly where fww is. After a handful of purchases, I'll probably have everything I want but can't get right now. And then I'm going to be making a lot of extra payments on loans.
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right, and we're two people with two cats, and we pay about $400-$500, so that follows
Ludious doesn't have kids, but I think he has dogs? still, $1000 a month for groceries either means he and his wife are disgusting people or just that groceries are retarded expensive there
i'm willing to bet on the latter, especially since he apparently lives in the Desolation of Katrina
yeah, I mean I get that. But I am fairly certain you could cut groceries and the cable/internet and most likely the cell phone bills down a LOT if it came to it
I love this post.
And we tend to eat pretty lavishly.
If I recall correctly, Atomic Ross got jailed for holding such a viewpoint.
hmmmmm i spend about 300/month for two people + cat
depending, but we don't usually eat out
we used to get by on a lot less in school
It's hard to decide! Living in a city would be awesome but I also like living where it's spread out and there isn't a lot of light pollution.
Well none of this is happening for a few years yet so I am getting a head of myself.
same here
shit, last night i had BBQ ribs for dinner!
ludious what is the cost of a dozen eggs at your grocery store? (i use a dozen eggs as a pretty good measure for inflated grocery costs)
2 things. 1 I'm surprised you don't have enough in savings considering your earnings to own a car outright since that's otherwise wasted money. B what in the hell do you eat? ~$1k was basically my monthly living expenses in total while in DC. Which included a lot of stuff I had to throw out because they don't sell salt in small enough containers. Also, I ate out a hell of a lot and at semi-fancy places somewhat regularly because of socializing. Granted I wasn't paying rent or utilities, but still.
That's how I'm going to be. I will briefly consider making larger payments on my student loans and then I'll be all "Fuck that shit, big-ass TV HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
Are you kidding? Shit, I'd break a leg trying to ride the fucker into town!
Neither do we, but we tend to buy a lot of fish, and stuff like organic eggs and free-range/organic meat.
We could probably cut our food bill pretty dramatically by going for cheaper versions of the same things we buy now.
yeah, you live in a crazyland, Ludious
try to keep this in mind in the future when discussions of income and shit come up, not everybody lives in a price-inflated hell-hole
yeah I suspect I would spend more if I actually ate meat considering I would only buy organinc and free range yadda yadda
So uh
winnar is me?
an excerpt from Sled Driver:
also,
awesome story.
I call this "the single tax" and I fucking hate it.
It's nifty. Also, they have a Norman Rockwell exhibit in the other half of the building. At least, I think it's still going on.
well, I would recognize and could characterize Rothko and Matisse and Duchamp and Modnrian and O'Keefe and Dali and Magritte and Hopper and Kahlo and Warhol and Lichtenstein and Ansel Adams and Pollock.
I mean, I'd probably put myself at least at the 90% mark of Americans in terms of famliarity and literacy with "modern art," esp the visual arts.
I've been to a Stravinsky opera and the Threepenny Opera.
I dunno dude. I definitely am not as knowledgable as someone who got a degree in art history, but I'm definitely above the threshold of "a guy who is ignorant of the art world after WWII relative to the broad population"
that is amazing
so cool
that still says to me the cost of groceries in your area is really high
you live in a place with a stupid cost of living, ludious. this is pretty much fact. there's factors as to why this is the case (people in your area seem to like using Katrina as a scapegoat for why they gouge you)
i live in Toronto, the biggest city in Canada. and not in the burbs, either, i live right smack in the city and i'm actually moving further in to the city next week
and my living expenses for being in a similar situation to yours (got a woman and some pets) is less than half of yours
some of that is lifestyle stuff (you have a car, i use public transit) but some of that seems to be just you live in a shitty place that is too expensive.
you can use any USB drive
also you can replace the internal drive with any bog standard 2.5" drive
humidity. It gets clumpy. Though I don't see why you just can't let it dry. I can't see anything growing in fucking salt.
No, it's the 'temporary living arrangement' tax. I can go through a grinder of salt eventually, just not in 2 months. Even with 3 other people using it as well.
Now, not being able to buy meat in sizes of smaller than a 1.3lbs...
Yeah, the car and the groceries really stick out to me. Either by buying the car outright, or if the fear of being poor is so crippling, I'd think about buying a cheaper used car. I'd be surprised if the location factor affected cars significantly.
However, if these two categories were much less, someone similar to him could theoretically add student loans to the mix and make up all or most of it. Of course, they can be deferred, and would an unemployed wife of someone making $43,000 still get unemployment to cover some of these costs? I don't know very much about it.
Also, savings in general, considering half of the income does basically just cover ALL costs.