HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
I remember an old Knights of the Dinner Table strip in which the avaricious Steve Jackson Gaming Company created a random sample pack miniature line. The joke was that this was a totally insane business model that relied on their customers being obsessive collectors with no financial sense. Of course this meant that Bob spent hundreds of dollars on miniatures trying to find the exact right one.
I'm not saying screw them for trying to make money... I'm saying screw the idea of offering a product that requires you bleed money out of people to sustain it.
I don't recall a single set that was comprised of commonly used creatures. They all have been a couple commonly used creatures and a bunch of really specific creatures that aren't useful in day-to-day campaigns.
That's why they don't sell. Only collectors are willing to throw a bunch of money away for stuff they won't use.
I agree--every pack I see seems to have a bunch of garbage & a goblin & an orc. Why not just make the goblins and orcs... have a few "greenskins" packs. You want an ettin? sorry. Just use an ogre and say, "it's an ettin"
I don't recall a single set that was comprised of commonly used creatures. They all have been a couple commonly used creatures and a bunch of really specific creatures that aren't useful in day-to-day campaigns.
That's why they don't sell. Only collectors are willing to throw a bunch of money away for stuff they won't use.
They're changing the mini ratio so you get minis that are more useful day to day in greater quantities.
I don't recall a single set that was comprised of commonly used creatures. They all have been a couple commonly used creatures and a bunch of really specific creatures that aren't useful in day-to-day campaigns.
That's why they don't sell. Only collectors are willing to throw a bunch of money away for stuff they won't use.
They're changing the mini ratio so you get minis that are more useful day to day in greater quantities.
Oh hey, I bug you guys for advice a lot, I know, I'm still a fledgling DM in a way. Every week I encounter something new. In fact, I recently learned that a 22 attack roll beats 22 AC and not the other way around
Anyways, my party is hitting paragon pretty soon (Level 9 now, almost 10) what should I prepare for? A couple of them are capable of doing this all their own with minimal guidance from me but a couple are incredibly clueless when it comes to this sort of thing and it will test every ounce of my patience.
Paragon tier check list (so far):
- Paragon paths
- Paragon Feats
- Upgrade certain class features and powers (like Healing Word)
- Feats which upgrade at paragon (Weapon Expertise for example)
- +1 to all abilities
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HachfaceNot the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking ofDammit, Shepard!Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
One day, 3D printing will be economically feasible for home use, and our miniature problems will be solved.
Oh hey, I bug you guys for advice a lot, I know, I'm still a fledgling DM in a way. Every week I encounter something new. In fact, I recently learned that a 22 attack roll beats 22 AC and not the other way around
Anyways, my party is hitting paragon pretty soon (Level 9 now, almost 10) what should I prepare for? A couple of them are capable of doing this all their own with minimal guidance from me but a couple are incredibly clueless when it comes to this sort of thing and it will test every ounce of my patience.
Paragon tier check list (so far):
- Paragon paths
- Paragon Feats
- Upgrade certain class features and powers (like Healing Word)
- Feats which upgrade at paragon (Weapon Expertise for example)
dresdenphileWatch out for snakes!Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
Did they ever confirm if all of the PHB I and II races would get erratted to have one stat at +2 and your choice of +2 to another stat like the PHBIII races? It seems like I heard that a while back, but nothing more about it since.
I think the whole scope of miniatures has been handled quite poorly by WotC.
You know what set they need to make?
A handful of goblins, hobgoblins, orcs, kobolds, ogres, wolves, and undead.
Why they can't make a set of minis for level 1-10 characters that is all in one place and doesn't require spending hundreds of dollars on random boxes from multiple sets is beyond me.
You could always just buy a box of warhammer orcs and paint half green and half orange for all the orcs and hobgoblins you could possibly ever need.
One day, 3D printing will be economically feasible for home use, and our miniature problems will be solved.
Yeah, you can get minifacturing printers for cheap, but they really stick it to you on the plastic blocks. That's when the gray market block refilling stations will pop up at staples and office depot.
One day, 3D printing will be economically feasible for home use, and our miniature problems will be solved.
Yeah, you can get minifacturing printers for cheap, but they really stick it to you on the plastic blocks. That's when the gray market block refilling stations will pop up at staples and office depot.
I'm holding out for the omni tool.
Lucky Dragons are installing a machine right now which should help with this.
For classes like Fighter, though, that's kind of a sophie's choice situation. That save bonus would be incredibly useful, but you've got to give up one of those sweet, sweet at will options to take it.
I'm not saying screw them for trying to make money... I'm saying screw the idea of offering a product that requires you bleed money out of people to sustain it.
I don't recall a single set that was comprised of commonly used creatures. They all have been a couple commonly used creatures and a bunch of really specific creatures that aren't useful in day-to-day campaigns.
That's why they don't sell. Only collectors are willing to throw a bunch of money away for stuff they won't use.
I agree--every pack I see seems to have a bunch of garbage & a goblin & an orc. Why not just make the goblins and orcs... have a few "greenskins" packs. You want an ettin? sorry. Just use an ogre and say, "it's an ettin"
is it wrong that I started to look at warhammer fantasy for my greenskins and multipacks of the same creatures? and tyrannids for creepy bug and abberant things?
For classes like Fighter, though, that's kind of a sophie's choice situation. That save bonus would be incredibly useful, but you've got to give up one of those sweet, sweet at will options to take it.
It can be pretty nice for wizards, too, since you can get an attack that targets each NAD.
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TurksonNear the mountains of ColoradoRegistered Userregular
For classes like Fighter, though, that's kind of a sophie's choice situation. That save bonus would be incredibly useful, but you've got to give up one of those sweet, sweet at will options to take it.
I didn't know that it replaced the 3rd at will. I'd still take it regardless of class.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
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A CS has referred a rules clarification I emailed them to Wizards, so there's a possibility it might get changed/clarified in errata! Yipee!
For all you guys complaining about minis, remember how WotC released sets of "Player's Handbook Heroes" that came with three minis (and you saw the minis and knew exactly what you were getting?). Well, apparently they sold incredibly poorly, which is why they are now discontinued.
When it comes to minis, there seems to only be two options: randomized booster packs, or no minis at all.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
For all you guys complaining about minis, remember how WotC released sets of "Player's Handbook Heroes" that came with three minis (and you saw the minis and knew exactly what you were getting?). Well, apparently they sold incredibly poorly, which is why they are now discontinued.
When it comes to minis, there seems to only be two options: randomized booster packs, or no minis at all.
Possibly because no one needs to buy more than one Female Dragonborn Rogue and most people need to buy zero of them.
They need to make packs of Random player character mini's and organized packs of monsters. Create encounters in a box with all the stats you need to run the encounter. Maybe even include a paper map or dungeon tile or two.
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TurksonNear the mountains of ColoradoRegistered Userregular
For all you guys complaining about minis, remember how WotC released sets of "Player's Handbook Heroes" that came with three minis (and you saw the minis and knew exactly what you were getting?). Well, apparently they sold incredibly poorly, which is why they are now discontinued.
When it comes to minis, there seems to only be two options: randomized booster packs, or no minis at all.
Do I want to pay $3+ per mini for three guys, who I may never ever use? Or spend less than $2 per for a random batch of 8 or more mini's that I can probably find some use for?
Maybe even include a paper map or dungeon tile or two.
They did this with the Star Wars minis, dunno why they don't do it with D&D.
I bought some of those packs for the maps alone.
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dresdenphileWatch out for snakes!Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
The fact the PHB Hero packs were like $12 each didn't help matters much.
My group just bit the bullet and bought a few of those packs for PC's and just create paper tokens in TokenTool for monsters. It works out pretty well.
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Teach your players to fear the little man.
And then it all came true.
I think they get halflings.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Was the sorcerer king in this area the one who wiped out all the gnomes?
If so, halfling genocide might be next on his/her list.
Face-Eating dudes might want to be a part of that.
My hope is that at least one player wants to be a templar from either of the two city-states.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Shame this wasn't in a Deadlands game. You could really eff with him if he started becoming canabalistic.
I agree--every pack I see seems to have a bunch of garbage & a goblin & an orc. Why not just make the goblins and orcs... have a few "greenskins" packs. You want an ettin? sorry. Just use an ogre and say, "it's an ettin"
They're changing the mini ratio so you get minis that are more useful day to day in greater quantities.
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Well, that's good news.
Anyways, my party is hitting paragon pretty soon (Level 9 now, almost 10) what should I prepare for? A couple of them are capable of doing this all their own with minimal guidance from me but a couple are incredibly clueless when it comes to this sort of thing and it will test every ounce of my patience.
Paragon tier check list (so far):
- Paragon paths
- Paragon Feats
- Upgrade certain class features and powers (like Healing Word)
- Feats which upgrade at paragon (Weapon Expertise for example)
- +1 to all abilities
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
You could always just buy a box of warhammer orcs and paint half green and half orange for all the orcs and hobgoblins you could possibly ever need.
Yeah, you can get minifacturing printers for cheap, but they really stick it to you on the plastic blocks. That's when the gray market block refilling stations will pop up at staples and office depot.
I'm holding out for the omni tool.
A.) I kind of don't like this, as it steals human thunder. Do they get anything out of the change?
B.) Are any of them the long-lost int/con we've been waiting for?
Lucky Dragons are installing a machine right now which should help with this.
There's kits you can get for making your own 3d printer. Though I suppose getting info to print the objects then becomes the hard part.
Humans are getting an encounter power. +4 on a attack roll or a saving throw. You may use this after the roll has happened.
So Humans are getting the best out of this deal.
Holy shit! Suck on that, mythical people! Does that stack with action surge?
Oh god. Action surge was the only thing that made my low-level wizard bearable. (By mid-heroic he was fine.)
That extra at will is the main reason I'd ever pick the race.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
is it wrong that I started to look at warhammer fantasy for my greenskins and multipacks of the same creatures? and tyrannids for creepy bug and abberant things?
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It can be pretty nice for wizards, too, since you can get an attack that targets each NAD.
I didn't know that it replaced the 3rd at will. I'd still take it regardless of class.
A CS has referred a rules clarification I emailed them to Wizards, so there's a possibility it might get changed/clarified in errata! Yipee!
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When it comes to minis, there seems to only be two options: randomized booster packs, or no minis at all.
Possibly because no one needs to buy more than one Female Dragonborn Rogue and most people need to buy zero of them.
Of course they're going to sell poorly.
Do I want to pay $3+ per mini for three guys, who I may never ever use? Or spend less than $2 per for a random batch of 8 or more mini's that I can probably find some use for?
This is my surprise face.
They did this with the Star Wars minis, dunno why they don't do it with D&D.
I bought some of those packs for the maps alone.
My group just bit the bullet and bought a few of those packs for PC's and just create paper tokens in TokenTool for monsters. It works out pretty well.