why are black suits/sport-coats specifically a "going to the club" thing? i mean, why is black better in that instance than charcoal or navy?
there are various explanations - that black was considered unsophisticated and rural (like, i guess amish people and hasidics and farmers), that black is considered too severe, that lincoln was killed in a black suit and people cast them away out of respect or something.
but whatever the reason, i def advise against them. suits cost enough that you don't generally want an expensive wardrobe piece that you can wear only in narrow contexts and that people "in the know" might kind of look down on
eh, it depends on what you'll be using it for, and the cut. I wouldn't advise against them entirely.
Again, if you're getting a suit with a fashion/modern cut that you're going to be using for going out, not going to work, then a black suit is just fine, and can look pretty sharp.
But I agree with moniker that it should be down on the list of suit priorities.
Probably shouldn't have spent the $120, but on Nov 3 I'll make $150 in bets if Ted Strickland loses his re-election bid, and frankly I'm pretty comfortable taking that to the bank.
The anti-black suit thing is going to be pretty much limited to people who have been trained to dislike it. Like the whole thing about leaving the lowest button undone.
People who are going purely on visual response rather than tradition aren't likely to spaz.
The anti-black suit thing is going to be pretty much limited to people who have been trained to dislike it. Like the whole thing about leaving the lowest button undone.
People who are going purely on visual response rather than tradition aren't likely to spaz.
It's also a thing which seems to be localised to the states (and possibly Canada). Over here, around 50% of people in suits are wearing black ones. Perhaps a shade more in France, and I've never seen a suited Italian man in anything but black.
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The anti-black suit thing is going to be pretty much limited to people who have been trained to dislike it. Like the whole thing about leaving the lowest button undone.
People who are going purely on visual response rather than tradition aren't likely to spaz.
It's also a thing which seems to be localised to the states (and possibly Canada). Over here, around 50% of people in suits are wearing black ones. Perhaps a shade more in France, and I've never seen a suited Italian man in anything but black.
Right, well, that's sort of what we're saying, isn't it? Yes, it looks slick, but it has social connotations that make it not the best choice in certain circumstances? Fashion is about more than the simple aesthetics of clothes -- it's also about context and social signaling. Otherwise you'd see Wall St bankers wearing Dior 19cm jeans, Martin Margiela sneakers, and a Rick Owens jacket.
Is it worth it to get fashionable before weight loss?
Can you sew? Do you know a tailor? If the answer to either of these two questions is yes, then it is definitely worth it to get a couple of pieces (obviously not a whole wardrobe) before setting out to lose weight, because you can get your clothes taken in as you go.
If the answer to both questions is no, then maybe. It depends on your motivation level and your dissatisfaction with your current wardrobe, I'd say. You want to look presentable no matter how big you are even if you're planning on trimming down. Plus weight loss is a gradual process, you're going to need clothes for the interim. If your current wardrobe is fine then stick with it, but if you want to update don't hold out just because you are planning on losing x pounds over the next y months.
The anti-black suit thing is going to be pretty much limited to people who have been trained to dislike it. Like the whole thing about leaving the lowest button undone.
People who are going purely on visual response rather than tradition aren't likely to spaz.
It's also a thing which seems to be localised to the states (and possibly Canada). Over here, around 50% of people in suits are wearing black ones. Perhaps a shade more in France, and I've never seen a suited Italian man in anything but black.
Right, well, that's sort of what we're saying, isn't it? Yes, it looks slick, but it has social connotations that make it not the best choice in certain circumstances? Fashion is about more than the simple aesthetics of clothes -- it's also about context and social signaling. Otherwise you'd see Wall St bankers wearing Dior 19cm jeans, Martin Margiela sneakers, and a Rick Owens jacket.
A lot of it comes down to how many of us actually will encounter anyone who knows or cares about such conventions versus how many people will simply enjoy our appearance.
If you hang out with Will you'd better get on your grandpa suit, but otherwise?
A lot of it comes down to how many of us actually will encounter anyone who knows or cares about such conventions versus how many people will simply enjoy our appearance.
If you hang out with Will you'd better get on your grandpa suit, but otherwise?
fair point, but I think what's being said is that people may be underestimating how many people will find a black suit in the workplace to be a bit off, for example.
Also, there's something to be said for knowing the convention but breaking it anyway -- but it's one thing to break it purposefully (I wear all kinds of shit at work that other people don't, and aren't terribly conventional), and it's another to look like you don't know what's up.
Breaking convention and owning it can be awesome, but you should know what you're getting into in the first place, and add the necessary touches of intentionality. Like what I said about getting your black suit in a modern, fashion-forward cut. That helps add to the "yes I know I'm breaking with convention, but I look good so step off my nuts, old man" factor.
fair point, but I think what's being said is that people may be underestimating how many people will find a black suit in the workplace to be a bit off, for example.
Also, there's something to be said for knowing the convention but breaking it anyway -- but it's one thing to break it purposefully (I wear all kinds of shit at work that other people don't, and aren't terribly conventional), and it's another to look like you don't know what's up.
Breaking convention and owning it can be awesome, but you should know what you're getting into in the first place, and add the necessary touches of intentionality. Like what I said about getting your black suit in a modern, fashion-forward cut. That helps add to the "yes I know I'm breaking with convention, but I look good so step off my nuts, old man" factor.
Oh definately. Knowledge is always better than ignorance, especially if someone tries to call you on it.
Ideally anyone with a black suit should keep a pair of shades around so they can slide them on all smooth-like when someone tries to question their attire.
fair point, but I think what's being said is that people may be underestimating how many people will find a black suit in the workplace to be a bit off, for example.
Also, there's something to be said for knowing the convention but breaking it anyway -- but it's one thing to break it purposefully (I wear all kinds of shit at work that other people don't, and aren't terribly conventional), and it's another to look like you don't know what's up.
Breaking convention and owning it can be awesome, but you should know what you're getting into in the first place, and add the necessary touches of intentionality. Like what I said about getting your black suit in a modern, fashion-forward cut. That helps add to the "yes I know I'm breaking with convention, but I look good so step off my nuts, old man" factor.
Oh definately. Knowledge is always better than ignorance, especially if someone tries to call you on it.
Ideally anyone with a black suit should keep a pair of shades around so they can slide them on all smooth-like when someone tries to question their attire.
Also, a slick tie-clip, fly shoes, and a skinny tie.
Is it worth it to get fashionable before weight loss?
Can you sew? Do you know a tailor? If the answer to either of these two questions is yes, then it is definitely worth it to get a couple of pieces (obviously not a whole wardrobe) before setting out to lose weight, because you can get your clothes taken in as you go.
If the answer to both questions is no, then maybe. It depends on your motivation level and your dissatisfaction with your current wardrobe, I'd say. You want to look presentable no matter how big you are even if you're planning on trimming down. Plus weight loss is a gradual process, you're going to need clothes for the interim. If your current wardrobe is fine then stick with it, but if you want to update don't hold out just because you are planning on losing x pounds over the next y months.
If you do want to get things that are more fashionable in the interim go as cheap as humanly possible since you most likely won't be wearing those items in the future. Also if you do hit some target weight make sure you are able to stay at it for a while before buying a ton of clothes.
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Is it worth it to get fashionable before weight loss?
Can you sew? Do you know a tailor? If the answer to either of these two questions is yes, then it is definitely worth it to get a couple of pieces (obviously not a whole wardrobe) before setting out to lose weight, because you can get your clothes taken in as you go.
If the answer to both questions is no, then maybe. It depends on your motivation level and your dissatisfaction with your current wardrobe, I'd say. You want to look presentable no matter how big you are even if you're planning on trimming down. Plus weight loss is a gradual process, you're going to need clothes for the interim. If your current wardrobe is fine then stick with it, but if you want to update don't hold out just because you are planning on losing x pounds over the next y months.
I've never seen a tailor before but due to my small frame a lot of the sleeves on my t-shirts are way too big. is this a thing a tailor would be able to fix or is it not worth it?
Double breasted suits can look great. They don't have to make you look huge, they're just most often cut in that big shouldered boxy nineties kind of style. You just need to find a trim modern cut a la John Cho in GQ:
Black suits work for the evening, and for extra-formal occasions. They're less versatile than a lot of other stuff, but if it's reasonably dark out you're fine wearing one.
it kind of begs the question, though, why not just buy a charcoal or navy suit instead?
people on this board are really attached to black suits
here's my theory:
the japanese are big on black suits and i think that the weeaboo quotient is high enough on this board that they've kind of picked up fashion tips through their animes
and also the matrix probably
I love you Irond Will. You say things so anti-weeaboo that I'm jealous I didn't think of them first.
Black suits work for the evening, and for extra-formal occasions. They're less versatile than a lot of other stuff, but if it's reasonably dark out you're fine wearing one.
it kind of begs the question, though, why not just buy a charcoal or navy suit instead?
people on this board are really attached to black suits
here's my theory:
the japanese are big on black suits and i think that the weeaboo quotient is high enough on this board that they've kind of picked up fashion tips through their animes
and also the matrix probably
I love you Irond Will. You say things so anti-weeaboo that I'm jealous I didn't think of them first.
I only wish my casual-but-justified bigotry could be as off the cuff and obvious.
Seriously though, Fartacus if I met you, my eyes--one of which would be twitching--would probably be glued to that pocket.
...it's a ticket pocket. How have none of you ever heard of it before?
because ticket pockets haven't really been a thing on suits in the US since the age of automobiles
edit: which isn't to say that i completely hate it, actually. the biggest offender on that suit is the bizarre highwater pants. the color looks more charcoal than black in the photo, but that might be the flash.
i like trim cuts, but not when the length is cropped. it just ends up looking like you're wearing a little boy's suit. long and trim does it better IMO
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eh, it depends on what you'll be using it for, and the cut. I wouldn't advise against them entirely.
Again, if you're getting a suit with a fashion/modern cut that you're going to be using for going out, not going to work, then a black suit is just fine, and can look pretty sharp.
But I agree with moniker that it should be down on the list of suit priorities.
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Especially Ken Watanabe's
Probably shouldn't have spent the $120, but on Nov 3 I'll make $150 in bets if Ted Strickland loses his re-election bid, and frankly I'm pretty comfortable taking that to the bank.
I'm a single-vent man myself. Matter of preference, really.
it looks weird to me
Heh, me too!
People who are going purely on visual response rather than tradition aren't likely to spaz.
I look great with it when I manage to lose my tiny gut.
It's also a thing which seems to be localised to the states (and possibly Canada). Over here, around 50% of people in suits are wearing black ones. Perhaps a shade more in France, and I've never seen a suited Italian man in anything but black.
Right, well, that's sort of what we're saying, isn't it? Yes, it looks slick, but it has social connotations that make it not the best choice in certain circumstances? Fashion is about more than the simple aesthetics of clothes -- it's also about context and social signaling. Otherwise you'd see Wall St bankers wearing Dior 19cm jeans, Martin Margiela sneakers, and a Rick Owens jacket.
Can you sew? Do you know a tailor? If the answer to either of these two questions is yes, then it is definitely worth it to get a couple of pieces (obviously not a whole wardrobe) before setting out to lose weight, because you can get your clothes taken in as you go.
If the answer to both questions is no, then maybe. It depends on your motivation level and your dissatisfaction with your current wardrobe, I'd say. You want to look presentable no matter how big you are even if you're planning on trimming down. Plus weight loss is a gradual process, you're going to need clothes for the interim. If your current wardrobe is fine then stick with it, but if you want to update don't hold out just because you are planning on losing x pounds over the next y months.
A lot of it comes down to how many of us actually will encounter anyone who knows or cares about such conventions versus how many people will simply enjoy our appearance.
If you hang out with Will you'd better get on your grandpa suit, but otherwise?
fair point, but I think what's being said is that people may be underestimating how many people will find a black suit in the workplace to be a bit off, for example.
Also, there's something to be said for knowing the convention but breaking it anyway -- but it's one thing to break it purposefully (I wear all kinds of shit at work that other people don't, and aren't terribly conventional), and it's another to look like you don't know what's up.
Breaking convention and owning it can be awesome, but you should know what you're getting into in the first place, and add the necessary touches of intentionality. Like what I said about getting your black suit in a modern, fashion-forward cut. That helps add to the "yes I know I'm breaking with convention, but I look good so step off my nuts, old man" factor.
Oh definately. Knowledge is always better than ignorance, especially if someone tries to call you on it.
Ideally anyone with a black suit should keep a pair of shades around so they can slide them on all smooth-like when someone tries to question their attire.
Also, a slick tie-clip, fly shoes, and a skinny tie.
If you do want to get things that are more fashionable in the interim go as cheap as humanly possible since you most likely won't be wearing those items in the future. Also if you do hit some target weight make sure you are able to stay at it for a while before buying a ton of clothes.
only problem is that they're 50% off and they're still $400
I've never seen a tailor before but due to my small frame a lot of the sleeves on my t-shirts are way too big. is this a thing a tailor would be able to fix or is it not worth it?
silly extra pocket is silly and will look sillier in two years
Pants need length.
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I love you Irond Will. You say things so anti-weeaboo that I'm jealous I didn't think of them first.
I only wish my casual-but-justified bigotry could be as off the cuff and obvious.
Seriously though, Fartacus if I met you, my eyes--one of which would be twitching--would probably be glued to that pocket.
because ticket pockets haven't really been a thing on suits in the US since the age of automobiles
edit: which isn't to say that i completely hate it, actually. the biggest offender on that suit is the bizarre highwater pants. the color looks more charcoal than black in the photo, but that might be the flash.
i like trim cuts, but not when the length is cropped. it just ends up looking like you're wearing a little boy's suit. long and trim does it better IMO
You should. They have fat ladies.
Did you purposely capitalize the first letter in his quote moniker?
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