Whenever I see ghosts in my PvT's I cower in fear. No other unit has the ability to make my army feel so... impotent (Except for maybe a raven if I have too many stalkers).
I mean if I'm rolling a pretty standard Collosus/Zealot/Sentry mix, it completely nullifies my ability to zone off enemies with forcefields which is the main reason collosus are so damn powerful.
The worst army I can even imagine would be composed of a ton of marauders and like, 2-3 ghosts.
i tried 4 gating a high diamond. He destroyed everything with 12 marauders and 2 ghosts, not even cloaked.
Playing protoss with 60% health on all your units sucks ass.
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
While Protoss units tend to do more damage than any of the other races, the real reason they seem so strong is the fact that they have so much health/shield. Removing that advantage really puts them in a bind given how expensive Toss units are.
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
This. While templars might be the direct counter to ghosts, you have to be playing so damn fast to be able to snipe them before they get an emp off. The fact that Templar are such an enormous investment combined with the fact that they can be so easily nullified by a misclick just makes ghosts one of the scariest things for protoss.
You can give roaches a run for their money with lots of speedlings. I think early roach is the best way to stay alive and/or get a quick kill, though.
If you want to defend against early roaches without roaches, you'll need a good amount of lings, 1-2 queens, maybe a crawler.
Once you have speed researched, speedlings have some significant tactical advantages over roaches. They do pretty good in an even-food fight (depends quite a bit on placement of units, lings out in the open with speed are murderous, at a choke where they can't surround they're wasted), the big advantage of speedlings is if you have enough production / defense to hold off a roach rush, you can keep the roach player stuck in their base with the threat of speedling raids. Without a good number of roaches on defense or a blocked choke, a group of speedlings can run into a base, kill a queen and whatever tiny amount of random defenses are present, murder workers, and escape in the time it takes a group of roaches to get 2/3rds of the way to someone's base.
The big risk when doing speedlings is the roach player will absolutely murder you at chokes and can walk over you once they have a few banelings out. You're basically trying to marshall whatever advantage you get from speedlings into enough of an advantage to win the game when the roach player has banelings. Maybe with fast mutas, maybe with expansions, infestors, whatever. Roach + baneling will murder somewhere around infinity zerglings.
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
That always seemed off to me, as though a ghost should take off a combination of 100 shields and energy inclusive, rather than drain both pools.
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Maybe Day realized that all his Fundays have sucked <(^-^<)
Well team Monobattle is by far the best thing.
Except the funday-mondays have actually produced viable strategies and insights into the game.
No-Queens really showed me how Z production actually worked and made me appreciate queens as units and not just a production building. I'm sure I would have gotten more out of it if I were better with Z at the time.
Carrier-Rush demonstrated a lot of the power of carriers. I didn't recognize how powerful they were. They're now my go-to unit for any game that lasts long enough. While doing it, I also learned to appreciate motherships and learn how to use them.
Terran No-marine/marauder/tank helped develop Hellion-Thor for TvZ. Again, I'm sure I would have gotten more out of it if I were a terran, but it certainly helps for those times I get random.
Yeah, some of them sucked, but a lot of the funday mondays were really good for learning. Which is the whole point.
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
That always seemed off to me, as though a ghost should take off a combination of 100 shields and energy inclusive, rather than drain both pools.
let's just make it fair for everyone and have EMP have the same properties it did in Brood War, alright guys?
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
That always seemed off to me, as though a ghost should take off a combination of 100 shields and energy inclusive, rather than drain both pools.
let's just make it fair for everyone and have EMP have the same properties it did in Brood War, alright guys?
Put it on ravens make the radius bigger and have it strip all shields/energy?
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
That always seemed off to me, as though a ghost should take off a combination of 100 shields and energy inclusive, rather than drain both pools.
let's just make it fair for everyone and have EMP have the same properties it did in Brood War, alright guys?
Put it on ravens make the radius bigger and have it strip all shields/energy?
I don't know if that'd be fair trade. God, I shudder to think what lockdown would be able to do in a ghost heavy TvP.
edit: And I was being facetious. It was better in Brood War but Ghosts are way earlier on the tech tree, and it shoots off faster now too.
it doesn't really matter anyway, EMP drains 100 shields and ALL energy which is the perfect amount for what you want to use it on most (immortals, sentries, and HTs)
More importantly than the lose of your shields would have been that your sentries wouldn't have had the energy for forcefields which means he can kite you all day long.
That always seemed off to me, as though a ghost should take off a combination of 100 shields and energy inclusive, rather than drain both pools.
let's just make it fair for everyone and have EMP have the same properties it did in Brood War, alright guys?
Put it on ravens make the radius bigger and have it strip all shields/energy?
only if you give it the Monty Burns voice and make EMP a 200/200 upgrade that takes 120s to make, oh yeh, and irradiate and Defensive Matrix.
That wouldn't fix anything Olorin!!!11!! Zerg just doesn't have any good scouting options. Those units are useless when banshees suddenly come out (what a ridiculous unit. Banshees are pretty much flying collossi without splash and the ability to cloak. How is that balanced?)
Actually, can you imagine banelings that didn't suicide? That would be crazy!
That wouldn't fix anything Olorin!!!11!! Zerg just doesn't have any good scouting options. Those units are useless when banshees suddenly come out (what a ridiculous unit. Banshees are pretty much flying collossi without splash and the ability to cloak. How is that balanced?)
Actually, can you imagine banelings that didn't suicide? That would be crazy!
That wouldn't fix anything Olorin!!!11!! Zerg just doesn't have any good scouting options. Those units are useless when banshees suddenly come out (what a ridiculous unit. Banshees are pretty much flying collossi without splash and the ability to cloak. How is that balanced?)
Flying DTs. Cloaked Banshees, don't ever change.
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God the kids are whiny nowadays. Midgame I realize i have too much cash and make 12 mutas to harass this Terran with. This is the only batch I make and they are slowly whittled down because I don't really care. I then roll in with 30 roaches and 30 hydras and roflstomp him from my 4 bases vs 2. His respons is "GG mass muta asshole". I...ah...wut?
Another dude said to me "Meh, If I had only had more bases and played better I would have won". Well...yes?
Now that my race-experimenting college days are over and I'm back in camp Zerg again I can't wait to climb back up to diamond. The hood down here has gone straight to hell.
I remember back in the beta that I played a PvP and this guy tried to cannon rush me. Actually, he caught me off guard and put me pretty far behind, but I did fend it off. I figured he was guarding his front with cannons (he was) so I scouted him with an observer and saw he was fast teching to collossi - so I went with void rays and zealots and took my lolrays behind his base and wrecked him (he didn't build any stalkers...) and he was all like "You're so cheap. Fuckin' noob, void ray spam, real original"
Don't Zerg have the best scouting options in the game? Creep spread, overlords, speed zerglings? If you're playing zerg and don't see the whole map, i think you're doing it wrong.
But my fingers are too stupid to use them so I play Terran! IMBA baby, yeah.
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God the kids are whiny nowadays. Midgame I realize i have too much cash and make 12 mutas to harass this Terran with. This is the only batch I make and they are slowly whittled down because I don't really care. I then roll in with 30 roaches and 30 hydras and roflstomp him from my 4 bases vs 2. His respons is "GG mass muta asshole". I...ah...wut?
Another dude said to me "Meh, If I had only had more bases and played better I would have won". Well...yes?
Now that my race-experimenting college days are over and I'm back in camp Zerg again I can't wait to climb back up to diamond. The hood down here has gone straight to hell.
I remember back in the beta that I played a PvP and this guy tried to cannon rush me. Actually, he caught me off guard and put me pretty far behind, but I did fend it off. I figured he was guarding his front with cannons (he was) so I scouted him with an observer and saw he was fast teching to collossi - so I went with void rays and zealots and took my lolrays behind his base and wrecked him (he didn't build any stalkers...) and he was all like "You're so cheap. Fuckin' noob, void ray spam, real original"
I usually get a kick out of watching people type things like that. I was playing some 3v3 the other day with two friends. We were Random/Random/Random so we never really knew what our strategy was going to be until kickoff. We start the game, roll Z/Z/Z, and here's the chat on the screen:
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i tried 4 gating a high diamond. He destroyed everything with 12 marauders and 2 ghosts, not even cloaked.
Playing protoss with 60% health on all your units sucks ass.
Joe's Stream.
This. While templars might be the direct counter to ghosts, you have to be playing so damn fast to be able to snipe them before they get an emp off. The fact that Templar are such an enormous investment combined with the fact that they can be so easily nullified by a misclick just makes ghosts one of the scariest things for protoss.
If you want to defend against early roaches without roaches, you'll need a good amount of lings, 1-2 queens, maybe a crawler.
Once you have speed researched, speedlings have some significant tactical advantages over roaches. They do pretty good in an even-food fight (depends quite a bit on placement of units, lings out in the open with speed are murderous, at a choke where they can't surround they're wasted), the big advantage of speedlings is if you have enough production / defense to hold off a roach rush, you can keep the roach player stuck in their base with the threat of speedling raids. Without a good number of roaches on defense or a blocked choke, a group of speedlings can run into a base, kill a queen and whatever tiny amount of random defenses are present, murder workers, and escape in the time it takes a group of roaches to get 2/3rds of the way to someone's base.
The big risk when doing speedlings is the roach player will absolutely murder you at chokes and can walk over you once they have a few banelings out. You're basically trying to marshall whatever advantage you get from speedlings into enough of an advantage to win the game when the roach player has banelings. Maybe with fast mutas, maybe with expansions, infestors, whatever. Roach + baneling will murder somewhere around infinity zerglings.
That always seemed off to me, as though a ghost should take off a combination of 100 shields and energy inclusive, rather than drain both pools.
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Except the funday-mondays have actually produced viable strategies and insights into the game.
No-Queens really showed me how Z production actually worked and made me appreciate queens as units and not just a production building. I'm sure I would have gotten more out of it if I were better with Z at the time.
Carrier-Rush demonstrated a lot of the power of carriers. I didn't recognize how powerful they were. They're now my go-to unit for any game that lasts long enough. While doing it, I also learned to appreciate motherships and learn how to use them.
Terran No-marine/marauder/tank helped develop Hellion-Thor for TvZ. Again, I'm sure I would have gotten more out of it if I were a terran, but it certainly helps for those times I get random.
Yeah, some of them sucked, but a lot of the funday mondays were really good for learning. Which is the whole point.
let's just make it fair for everyone and have EMP have the same properties it did in Brood War, alright guys?
Put it on ravens make the radius bigger and have it strip all shields/energy?
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I don't know if that'd be fair trade. God, I shudder to think what lockdown would be able to do in a ghost heavy TvP.
edit: And I was being facetious. It was better in Brood War but Ghosts are way earlier on the tech tree, and it shoots off faster now too.
it doesn't really matter anyway, EMP drains 100 shields and ALL energy which is the perfect amount for what you want to use it on most (immortals, sentries, and HTs)
only if you give it the Monty Burns voice and make EMP a 200/200 upgrade that takes 120s to make, oh yeh, and irradiate and Defensive Matrix.
Joe's Stream.
Actually, can you imagine banelings that didn't suicide? That would be crazy!
do they fly and can cloak?
Joe's Stream.
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Flying DTs.
It's not that he's dumb... it's that he's neural parasited by a retarded infestor.
I remember back in the beta that I played a PvP and this guy tried to cannon rush me. Actually, he caught me off guard and put me pretty far behind, but I did fend it off. I figured he was guarding his front with cannons (he was) so I scouted him with an observer and saw he was fast teching to collossi - so I went with void rays and zealots and took my lolrays behind his base and wrecked him (he didn't build any stalkers...) and he was all like "You're so cheap. Fuckin' noob, void ray spam, real original"
But my fingers are too stupid to use them so I play Terran! IMBA baby, yeah.
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Hhhhhmmmmm.... lemme think about that..... ZERGRUSH!!!!!!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3388673/SC2Replays/1288640084717.gif
I laugh whenever I see it.
I usually get a kick out of watching people type things like that. I was playing some 3v3 the other day with two friends. We were Random/Random/Random so we never really knew what our strategy was going to be until kickoff. We start the game, roll Z/Z/Z, and here's the chat on the screen:
Me(All): gl hf
Friend 1(All): glhf
Friend 2(All): gl
Opponent 1: Fuck you.
Me(Allies): 10-pool ling rush?
Friend 1(Allies): You know it
Friend 2(Allies): Definitely
(insert 4 minutes of gameplay)
Opponent 1: Gayest thing ever.
Friend 1(All): Nah, I've seen gayer.
Me(All): I once saw a rainbow fuck a unicorn.
At that point, all three opponents left the game.
-Z
Yeah, what's up?
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It's amazing how much you can say in a 6 second animation
His drones still have inertia, you can't not have inertia unless you have no mass. :P
they pretty much did back in alpha, they had that splash line upgrade they get in SP
I want to try that version of the game, with warping cannons and reapers that can kill 20 SCVs instantly
I don't get it