KOTOR 2 is pretty much tailor made for people who hate Star Wars in execution but like Star Wars conceptually.
100% Agreed.
I love Star Wars as a concept but once you got down into the actual stuff they put out, it's the same old story of good vs evil eternally retold and it appears they tell it worse with each retelling.
KOTOR 2 is pretty much tailor made for people who hate Star Wars in execution but like Star Wars conceptually.
100% Agreed.
I love Star Wars as a concept but once you got down into the actual stuff they put out, it's the same old story of good vs evil eternally retold and it appears they tell it worse with each retelling.
At least it doesn't get bogged down in trite "nature of good and evil" bullshit
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Taris was way worse than that asteroid mining place, I'll give it that
Especially considering how fucking long you're on Taris before you even start your grand old quest!
Lies in the OP about blasters being useless. I used them exclusively in 1 and 2, partly because I prefer the sound effect to the light saber sound and partly because I thought the up-close combat animations were clumsy looking.
KOTOR 2 is pretty much tailor made for people who hate Star Wars in execution but like Star Wars conceptually.
100% Agreed.
I love Star Wars as a concept but once you got down into the actual stuff they put out, it's the same old story of good vs evil eternally retold and it appears they tell it worse with each retelling.
At least it doesn't get bogged down in trite "nature of good and evil" bullshit
Neither does KOTOR 2, it deals with your place in the universe and how you can use it to affect change on a grander scale, also how good and evil are just tools for this purpose, not an end in themselves.
Taris was way worse than that asteroid mining place, I'll give it that
Especially considering how fucking long you're on Taris before you even start your grand old quest!
after the first 10 or so times the cutscene of Taris getting bombed to cinders stops being dramatic and starts being satisfying.
"Good, fuck that place."
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I only ever played through Taris once (maybe twice?). I don't think it does much late in the game and I could just take that character and replay the rest of the game from there. I do lose a bit of DS/LS points this way, but you can get shitloads before the end anyway.
And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.
What I was trying to get you to process is that Kreia is not a Sith.
It's a useful role for manipulating events. She no more operates under their philosophy nor furthers their goals than you or I. Due in no small part to things like
She also wanted to kill the force. That is as much against the Dark Side stuff as it is against the Light Side stuff.
And the fact that destroying the Jedi Council was the exact opposite of her goal. Which is why she berates you for being a retard if you go the full Dark Side route.
Really. The concept of a dark and light side in the SW universe has been proven multiple times as being a load of shit in the EU, and even a few times in the official canon.
It's no surprise that someone who understands that there's no dark or light side, just "dicks" and "self righteous prigs", and is a manipulative [strike]old hag[/strike] person would use the beliefs of others to get the job done.
The whole "dark side makes you evil" thing makes me laugh, because as hard as Lucas tries to push it, almost none of the canon outside of his films actually demonstrates that.
I mean, they've got an entire canon series where a light sider points out and demonstrates that the only thing that's "dark" about the dark side is that it's more predisposed to looking appealing to people who are inherently assholes. A strong sense of conviction and a good moral compass is enough to let you use both powers, and as a result, be pretty much unstoppable so long as you don't swing too far into either moral direction.
When you give someone superpowers that are centered around hurting people and electrocuting them to death, and the person has a megomaniacal streak, it's no surprise they might go a bit stir crazy after they realize they can just end an arguement by using "force mind-fuck", or by just barbecuing them.
Really. The concept of a dark and light side in the SW universe has been proven multiple times as being a load of shit in the EU, and even a few times in the official canon.
The thing is that Lucas owns the franchise and doesn't have to care what anyone thinks outside of the films. He routinely proves that as well.
Edit: Dox: Dual Baragwain Assault blades. Solves everything as a soldier. Also yes, the best melee weapons aren't lightsabers.
Which is in turn made ok by the fact that pretty much noone that actually develops for Star Wars pays attention to Lucas nowadays. The only time someone stops and does what he says if he makes an executive order to veto or ban a concept from the canon.
Sometimes, I wonder if the real reason the Prequel trilogies turned out so badly (Except the third one, it was actually pretty good, but then, it added in a few of the concepts from the EU.) is because it was Lucas's way of trying to deal with the fact that the canon had gotten way out of his control.
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The "Midichlorians as spiting the EU" is a theory I've heard before actually.
Taris was way worse than that asteroid mining place, I'll give it that
Especially considering how fucking long you're on Taris before you even start your grand old quest!
But then after Peragus you get stuck on yet another space station for hours and you have to deal with those god damn Ithorians and Czerka and fuck I hate the whole first act of Kotor 2. At least after Taris you get to do your Jedi training which has some cool stuff.
Sometimes, on occasion, I think that KotOR 2 misses the point of Star Wars
Adding depth to the Force and treating it beyond simple black and white/light and dark/good and evil is not what swashbuckling space fantasy is all about
But I sort of like what they did with the Exile and Revan's character through that sequel, even if I hated Kreia and most of the supporting characters
So I don't really know how I feel about it I guess
Blargh, you beat me to it.
Kreia is trying to be a 3D character in a 2D world. She's preaching grey in a black-and-white world. She's a supporter of inaction in an action-movie universe. She's basically saying "you can't solve all your problems by hitting them with a lightsabre" when in actual fact you can and do.
I don't want to think about the long-term repercussions of my actions in a StarWars game, I want to chop the bad guys into pieces with my fucking laser-sword. This is a universe, remember, where you can tell everything about someone's moral alignment (or whether they're Samuel L Jackson) by looking at the colour of their lightsabre.
The good guys wear white, have blue lightsabres, and shit sunbeams and rainbows.
The badguys wear nothing but black, and kick every puppy they see on their way to burn down the orphanage, chewing the scenery all the way.
Has anyone had any luck with getting KOTOR 1 to run on Win7 with an NVIDIA card?
I've been dying to play it, but the damn thing crashes within minutes of starting up.
Also, Mr. Ray said it well. Kreia just flat pissed me off. Its a video game, worse yet, its an RPG, all she serves to do is remind me that I'm stuck with binary choices and maybe "do nothing". People like to bring out the notion that they were using that to subvert the entire idea of an RPG, but its hamfisted.
To be sure, I liked KOTOR2. Crashing on loading 7 out of 10 times was bullshit, but it was a fun game. Kreia was an awful, stupid character and I let that whiny witch stay in the cargo hold all day.
The half-finished nature of everything, and it was all so obviously half-finished, made the game unplayable after my second character. I'm tired of fighting assassin droids and not seeing their factory world.
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There are multiple layers. The Star Wars Christmas Special gets its own.
Even Lucas has enough sense to hate the christmas special.
I can't remember the precise quote, but Lucas was once heard saying that he wished he could "find every copy of it ever recorded, and smash them with a sledgehammer" to keep the world from ever having to experience it again.
Also, almost none of the actual Star Wars cast actually recalls starring in the thing. According to TVTropes, Carrie Fisher was visibly strung out when she did it, and has no recollection of doing the special.
Though, the special did bring us one thing of note.
Grampa Wookie was wanking it to a porno machine that a guest star celebrity brought him...In public..In front of the kids, both in the special, and in real life. How the fuck that got past the censors is beyond me. But it's pretty damn funny once you realize what he's doing.
Also, it brought us this hilarious semi-review of the thing:
There are multiple layers. The Star Wars Christmas Special gets its own.
Even Lucas has enough sense to hate the christmas special.
I can't remember the precise quote, but Lucas was once heard saying that he wished he could "find every copy of it ever recorded, and smash them with a sledgehammer" to keep the world from ever having to experience it again.
Also, almost none of the actual Star Wars cast actually recalls starring in the thing. According to TVTropes, Carrie Fisher was visibly strung out when she did it, and has no recollection of doing the special.
Though, the special did bring us one thing of note.
Grampa Wookie was wanking it to a porno machine that a guest star celebrity brought him...In public..In front of the kids, both in the special, and in real life. How the fuck that got past the censors is beyond me. But it's pretty damn funny once you realize what he's doing.
Also, it brought us this semi-review of the thing:
Both of these games had errors that deleted my save files, each time I played them. I tried playing through 1 twice and 2 like 4 times. I think that that says something about how much I liked them though.
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Sometimes, on occasion, I think that KotOR 2 misses the point of Star Wars
Adding depth to the Force and treating it beyond simple black and white/light and dark/good and evil is not what swashbuckling space fantasy is all about
But I sort of like what they did with the Exile and Revan's character through that sequel, even if I hated Kreia and most of the supporting characters
So I don't really know how I feel about it I guess
Blargh, you beat me to it.
Kreia is trying to be a 3D character in a 2D world. She's preaching grey in a black-and-white world. She's a supporter of inaction
The entire post falls to pieces right here. This could not be farther from the truth.
Since I have a bunch of Star Wars fans gathered in one place here:
Why the fuck do people like Boba Fett so much?
He has like two lines in Empire, then dies like a little bitch in Return of the Jedi
And somehow he was popular even when the films hit, before any Expanded Universe bullshit even had the chance to idolize him
His outfit was proper badass. That pretty much sums it up.
At least, as a kid, thats why I liked him. Before I knew about all the Mando crap, I just thought, like IG-88 and Bossk, he was a badass bounty hunter. I mean, wasn't that the whole point of the scene? A bunch of mean lookin' space baddies.
They pussified him and Mandalorian stuff pretty well over the years. Then again, they've done that to everything cool in the EU. Name something cool and they made it stupid. The Star Wars EU is one big Borg-style explain-away-the-coolness thing.
Since I have a bunch of Star Wars fans gathered in one place here:
Why the fuck do people like Boba Fett so much?
He has like two lines in Empire, then dies like a little bitch in Return of the Jedi
And somehow he was popular even when the films hit, before any Expanded Universe bullshit even had the chance to idolize him
Well he has cool armor and was as least portrayed as competent in Empire. They also hyped him up a lot in some now-obscure promotional materials during the lead up to Empire's release.
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I'm pretty sure the Christmas special is actually the highest canon.
If TOR doesn't have a Life Day quest I am going to be so angry.
Every winter. The entire game will be decorated too look like a snowy Kashyyk.
Life Day erryday.
Edit: Also, about Fett, despite the EU sucking, the one thing it got right is him escaping the Sarlaac. Because he's the Fett. Man needs a proper death, not a stick to the jet.
I'm pretty sure the Christmas special is actually the highest canon.
If TOR doesn't have a Life Day quest I am going to be so angry.
Every winter. The entire game will be decorated too look like a snowy Kashyyk.
Life Day erryday.
It's pretty funny that pretty much everyone at Lucasarts wants to forget about the Special, but yet, Lifeday has shown up in SWG, and in a few other sources.
Then again, the original script for the special was properly badass. Apparently the network executives demanded the "TV special" crap we got, rather then an awesome space opera adventure to save space-Christmas and kick imperial ass.
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100% Agreed.
I love Star Wars as a concept but once you got down into the actual stuff they put out, it's the same old story of good vs evil eternally retold and it appears they tell it worse with each retelling.
except for maybe Death Troopers.
(I like it more though)
At least it doesn't get bogged down in trite "nature of good and evil" bullshit
Especially considering how fucking long you're on Taris before you even start your grand old quest!
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Then again KotoR II takes forever to get a lightsaber.
But at least the lighsaber is the best melee weapon in the game.
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Neither does KOTOR 2, it deals with your place in the universe and how you can use it to affect change on a grander scale, also how good and evil are just tools for this purpose, not an end in themselves.
I'm tempted to buy it again and try it, it's been a few years
If it still has the game-breaking sound glitches, I'm coming for all of you who said it "runs fine"
after the first 10 or so times the cutscene of Taris getting bombed to cinders stops being dramatic and starts being satisfying.
"Good, fuck that place."
Really. The concept of a dark and light side in the SW universe has been proven multiple times as being a load of shit in the EU, and even a few times in the official canon.
It's no surprise that someone who understands that there's no dark or light side, just "dicks" and "self righteous prigs", and is a manipulative [strike]old hag[/strike] person would use the beliefs of others to get the job done.
The whole "dark side makes you evil" thing makes me laugh, because as hard as Lucas tries to push it, almost none of the canon outside of his films actually demonstrates that.
I mean, they've got an entire canon series where a light sider points out and demonstrates that the only thing that's "dark" about the dark side is that it's more predisposed to looking appealing to people who are inherently assholes. A strong sense of conviction and a good moral compass is enough to let you use both powers, and as a result, be pretty much unstoppable so long as you don't swing too far into either moral direction.
When you give someone superpowers that are centered around hurting people and electrocuting them to death, and the person has a megomaniacal streak, it's no surprise they might go a bit stir crazy after they realize they can just end an arguement by using "force mind-fuck", or by just barbecuing them.
I was never EVER good at the KOTOR boss fights :x
Edit: Dox: Dual Baragwain Assault blades. Solves everything as a soldier. Also yes, the best melee weapons aren't lightsabers.
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Which is in turn made ok by the fact that pretty much noone that actually develops for Star Wars pays attention to Lucas nowadays. The only time someone stops and does what he says if he makes an executive order to veto or ban a concept from the canon.
Sometimes, I wonder if the real reason the Prequel trilogies turned out so badly (Except the third one, it was actually pretty good, but then, it added in a few of the concepts from the EU.) is because it was Lucas's way of trying to deal with the fact that the canon had gotten way out of his control.
"Canon" are the films
this
seriously, these kind of arguments comes up on every starwars thread
Stop looking so far into it and enjoy
A lot
But the EU, in general, is worse
A lot worse
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Playing this at 60+ fps just doesn't fell right
There are multiple layers. The Star Wars Christmas Special gets its own.
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Blargh, you beat me to it.
Kreia is trying to be a 3D character in a 2D world. She's preaching grey in a black-and-white world. She's a supporter of inaction in an action-movie universe. She's basically saying "you can't solve all your problems by hitting them with a lightsabre" when in actual fact you can and do.
I don't want to think about the long-term repercussions of my actions in a StarWars game, I want to chop the bad guys into pieces with my fucking laser-sword. This is a universe, remember, where you can tell everything about someone's moral alignment (or whether they're Samuel L Jackson) by looking at the colour of their lightsabre.
The good guys wear white, have blue lightsabres, and shit sunbeams and rainbows.
The badguys wear nothing but black, and kick every puppy they see on their way to burn down the orphanage, chewing the scenery all the way.
And that's how I likes it.
*edit* Also, is it Lightsabre, or Lightsaber?
I've been dying to play it, but the damn thing crashes within minutes of starting up.
Also, Mr. Ray said it well. Kreia just flat pissed me off. Its a video game, worse yet, its an RPG, all she serves to do is remind me that I'm stuck with binary choices and maybe "do nothing". People like to bring out the notion that they were using that to subvert the entire idea of an RPG, but its hamfisted.
To be sure, I liked KOTOR2. Crashing on loading 7 out of 10 times was bullshit, but it was a fun game. Kreia was an awful, stupid character and I let that whiny witch stay in the cargo hold all day.
The half-finished nature of everything, and it was all so obviously half-finished, made the game unplayable after my second character. I'm tired of fighting assassin droids and not seeing their factory world.
Even Lucas has enough sense to hate the christmas special.
I can't remember the precise quote, but Lucas was once heard saying that he wished he could "find every copy of it ever recorded, and smash them with a sledgehammer" to keep the world from ever having to experience it again.
Also, almost none of the actual Star Wars cast actually recalls starring in the thing. According to TVTropes, Carrie Fisher was visibly strung out when she did it, and has no recollection of doing the special.
Though, the special did bring us one thing of note.
Also, it brought us this hilarious semi-review of the thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3fh8lJaag
Our GM for Saga loves that stuff, though. We had a session featuring caroling ewoks.
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Why the fuck do people like Boba Fett so much?
He has like two lines in Empire, then dies like a little bitch in Return of the Jedi
And somehow he was popular even when the films hit, before any Expanded Universe bullshit even had the chance to idolize him
The entire post falls to pieces right here. This could not be farther from the truth.
I have to admit, this has always baffled the fuck out of me.
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His outfit was proper badass. That pretty much sums it up.
At least, as a kid, thats why I liked him. Before I knew about all the Mando crap, I just thought, like IG-88 and Bossk, he was a badass bounty hunter. I mean, wasn't that the whole point of the scene? A bunch of mean lookin' space baddies.
They pussified him and Mandalorian stuff pretty well over the years. Then again, they've done that to everything cool in the EU. Name something cool and they made it stupid. The Star Wars EU is one big Borg-style explain-away-the-coolness thing.
If TOR doesn't have a Life Day quest I am going to be so angry.
He was a bounty hunter, which is like a cowboy, which is cool
He had a jetpack, which is cool, and a grappling hook, which is cooler
He also had a cool voice, before the prequels turned it into a bitch voice
And he had armor which did not show his face, which is a proven Cool Factor
He died like a bitch, though, but death never stopped fanfiction before
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Besides, bounty hunting is like +37 cool right out of the gate.
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Every winter. The entire game will be decorated too look like a snowy Kashyyk.
Life Day erryday.
Edit: Also, about Fett, despite the EU sucking, the one thing it got right is him escaping the Sarlaac. Because he's the Fett. Man needs a proper death, not a stick to the jet.
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It's pretty funny that pretty much everyone at Lucasarts wants to forget about the Special, but yet, Lifeday has shown up in SWG, and in a few other sources.
Then again, the original script for the special was properly badass. Apparently the network executives demanded the "TV special" crap we got, rather then an awesome space opera adventure to save space-Christmas and kick imperial ass.