Hedgie, almost every human being has things which they are uncomfortable with for stupid reasons, many of those reasons being based on horrible societal bullshit. That does not mean that discomfort is not to be put into consideration.
Doesn't mean it should be, either.
As for the person who pointed out he brought up his faith, I find that to be a strike against him, to be honest. I'd like to know where, exactly, it says for him to not compete against women.
It's unfortunate that his sexist upbringing has led him to make an unfortunate decision, and it's unfortunate that religion is part of his personal belief system, since that tends to enforce sexism. Thing is, he's not acting in malice, and his actions are not of the sort with any real importance, and he's not being an asshole about it, so while I cannot respect his opinion, I don't feel it's reasonable to get up in arms about his decision.
I also don't get upset at people for wearing headscarves out of a notion of religious modesty even though I dislike their reasons for doing so and find that it's connected to an overall negative system.
Hedgie, almost every human being has things which they are uncomfortable with for stupid reasons, many of those reasons being based on horrible societal bullshit. That does not mean that discomfort is not to be put into consideration.
Doesn't mean it should be, either.
As for the person who pointed out he brought up his faith, I find that to be a strike against him, to be honest. I'd like to know where, exactly, it says for him to not compete against women.
People aren't allowed to opt out of voluntary things based on their religion?
And if you can't see how wrestling a woman might be in conflict with a christian faith you should probably watch a match.
Yes, I should watch a wrestling match...oh wait, no, I don't need to, because of my two fucking varsity letters in the sport.
I'm not saying he can't opt out. But I think that him doing so is shameful.
Respectfully bowing out of a match because he was uncomfortable with the idea of going through with it. What a twat that guy is.
Yeah he even respected their accomplishments, what a bastard lets string him up!
No, he doesn't respect their accomplishments. Because if he did, he wouldn't have forfeited.
Did you read the article?
Yes, I did. I also wrestled throughout high school as well.
It's funny - if we were to make this about, say, debate - I think everyone would immediately see the point.
yeah if it weren't an extremely intimate and close quarters physical competition the male student might feel differently about competing with a female student.
Hedgie, almost every human being has things which they are uncomfortable with for stupid reasons, many of those reasons being based on horrible societal bullshit. That does not mean that discomfort is not to be put into consideration.
Doesn't mean it should be, either.
As for the person who pointed out he brought up his faith, I find that to be a strike against him, to be honest. I'd like to know where, exactly, it says for him to not compete against women.
I interpreted more as a values situation. Guy feels uncomfortable participating in a violent sport with a girl as his opponent, was probably brought up with the "don't hit girls" mantra. Additionally, as has been mentioned earlier, some of the stuff in wrestling is kind of gay, but there's an attitude in sports where that's ignored because, well, it's a sport, and the context isn't sexual in nature. But when your opponent is a girl it is harder to ignore the sexual undertones of a sport like wrestling. Groping a strange girl you've just met isn't exactly in line with Christian values.
But you're ignoring the fact that the guy defaulted from the match respectfully. I still don't think you've read the article.
Here are some choice quotes.
"I have a tremendous amount of respect for Cassy and Megan and their accomplishments. However, wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times," wrote Northup. "As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner. It is unfortunate that I have been placed in a situation not seen in most other high school sports in Iowa."
In a text message to The Associated Press, her father, Bill Herkelman, said he understands Northup's decision.
"It's nice to get the first win and have her be on the way to the medal round," Bill Herkelman wrote. "I sincerely respect the decision of the Northup family especially since it was made on the biggest stage in wrestling. I have heard nothing but good things about the Northup family and hope Joel does very well the remainder of the tourney."
Consider for a moment that Northup defaulted at a major wrestling event. His discomfort at the prospect of fighting a girl was great enough for him to jeopardize his chances. Obviously it bothered him a great deal, and he bowed out as gracefully as you can in that situation.
Respectfully bowing out of a match because he was uncomfortable with the idea of going through with it. What a twat that guy is.
Yeah he even respected their accomplishments, what a bastard lets string him up!
No, he doesn't respect their accomplishments. Because if he did, he wouldn't have forfeited.
Did you read the article?
Yes, I did. I also wrestled throughout high school as well.
It's funny - if we were to make this about, say, debate - I think everyone would immediately see the point.
yeah if it weren't an extremely intimate and close quarters physical competition the male student might feel differently about competing with a female student.
what a fucking genius.
I want to know what the point is that we're failing to see. Apparently it's so important it renders context irrelevant.
Because out-of-state interest groups spent millions of dollars to prevent their reelection. Yet another reason why judges should not be elected. It never leads to anything good.
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But is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man?
It's unfortunate that his sexist upbringing has led him to make an unfortunate decision, and it's unfortunate that religion is part of his personal belief system, since that tends to enforce sexism. Thing is, he's not acting in malice, and his actions are not of the sort with any real importance, and he's not being an asshole about it, so while I cannot respect his opinion, I don't feel it's reasonable to get up in arms about his decision.
I also don't get upset at people for wearing headscarves out of a notion of religious modesty even though I dislike their reasons for doing so and find that it's connected to an overall negative system.
What that people's concerns and what they're uncomfortable with should be dismissed if we don't agree with them?
Yes, I should watch a wrestling match...oh wait, no, I don't need to, because of my two fucking varsity letters in the sport.
I'm not saying he can't opt out. But I think that him doing so is shameful.
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
*checks wiki*
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Sorry
there's no need to be like that.
yeah if it weren't an extremely intimate and close quarters physical competition the male student might feel differently about competing with a female student.
what a fucking genius.
Maybe you don't.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Man this would make for the nerdiest porn.
Man now feel really awkard about seeing John Boehnor crying after leaving the house chamber.
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I interpreted more as a values situation. Guy feels uncomfortable participating in a violent sport with a girl as his opponent, was probably brought up with the "don't hit girls" mantra. Additionally, as has been mentioned earlier, some of the stuff in wrestling is kind of gay, but there's an attitude in sports where that's ignored because, well, it's a sport, and the context isn't sexual in nature. But when your opponent is a girl it is harder to ignore the sexual undertones of a sport like wrestling. Groping a strange girl you've just met isn't exactly in line with Christian values.
But you're ignoring the fact that the guy defaulted from the match respectfully. I still don't think you've read the article.
Here are some choice quotes.
Consider for a moment that Northup defaulted at a major wrestling event. His discomfort at the prospect of fighting a girl was great enough for him to jeopardize his chances. Obviously it bothered him a great deal, and he bowed out as gracefully as you can in that situation.
I think it's common sense / spergie thing
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Yeah at least PETA sees the other sides point.
Oh wait.
That was unexpected.
My use of the phrase "liberal echo chamber" was meant to be ironic.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The reasons he gave might be legitimate. She might have stood no chance. Even so, you know he'd never be able to live that down. Not in Iowa.
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So that's how you rose to the position of captain of the debate team. :winky:
iron...ironic? What is this word
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I want to know what the point is that we're failing to see. Apparently it's so important it renders context irrelevant.
It's like making a song about irony then having nothing ironic in the song.
That was a pretty fun night, but yeah I didn't dig RDR's multiplayer enough to play more of it.
You getting MvC3? I suck at fighting games but if you do too then hey why not.
What the hell happened? PSOne and PS2 sold like gangbusters. PS3 ... *tumbleweeds*
it's kind of worrisome.
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Overpriced, mis-advertised, and mishandled.
huh
And then one-third of said court disappeared.
Probably not.