wait why are you blaming johnny depp for any of those shit movies
blame tim burton
People didn't like Depp's performance?
but burton directed him into those performances
We can certainly place blame, a lot of it, towards the director but an actor can't use that completely as an excuse.
Even George Lucas got good performances out of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid.
I mean we have seen Depp perform well in other Burton films, so what happened? Did Burton's directing get significantly worse or did Depp get significantly lazier when working with a director who'd let me slack off?
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OkamiOn the internet nobody knows you're a dog. Nobody.Land of Ports, OreganoRegistered Userregular
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I honestly also blame Tim Burton for the more awful installments of Depp's career, I've mostly liked what he's been in otherwise.
I stayed away from Alice In Wonderland for as long as I could until I watched it on netflix earlier this year and I just really didn't see the appeal in it at all. Everything about it was just off in the entirely wrong way and I think that's more Burton's fault that Depp's.
I'm saying that at least then, you would have known it would have been terrible from the start, expected a B-movie of epic proportions, not been disappointed, and would have loved it, but known it shouldn't have been compared to the original in any way.
Man depp's wonka wasn't a child rapist he was a man-child
he is so far from raping children
hes basically asexual and socially broken because he was a crazy weirdo who lived in a chocolate factory by himself
If you went into Willy Wonka expecting it to be an amazing movie that blows Wilder out of the water and is considered A calibre then you probably went into it wrong
Now, if Dwayne Johnson had been there, ok, yeah, cinematic masterpiece. Alas...
If you went into Willy Wonka expecting it to be an amazing movie that blows Wilder out of the water and is considered A calibre then you probably went into it wrong
This is what I said about Depp
Of course Depp isn't better than Wilder. Of course the movie wasn't gonna be better than the original.
If you expected anything close to that, you were gonna be disappointed as hell.
I didn't, and I still found some good things out of the new one, critics be damned.
I actually expected Scorpion King to be kinda good.
Then I was watching it in theaters opening weekend, and half an hour in had my face in my palm thinking to myself "Jesus Christ, why did I think this would be a good idea"
Man depp's wonka wasn't a child rapist he was a man-child
he is so far from raping children
hes basically asexual and socially broken because he was a crazy weirdo who lived in a chocolate factory by himself
Burton's Charlie And The Chocolate Factory was actually a thinly-veiled speculative biography of Michael Jackson
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
Just saw the Tooth Fairy...mostly as a joke, and it was awful and cheesy for a bit but went down a pretty dark path.
Like, the movie starts like in the trailers. He's an old bad-ass (but washed up) hockey player and he gets sent to fairy training school or whatever, but around midway through, it goes down a really dark alley.
He gets fairy-summoned from a big game to get a tooth from a little girl. He is fucking pissed (end of his career basically), and gets the tooth all annoyed and shit. Than he sees the little girl and this massive bruise on her face, and you get the idea that she had been hit. The girl wakes up, and is kind of startled but he hushes and asks what happened to her face (says that 'I'm the Tooth Fairy' line from the trailer). Then from downstairs (off-screen) you hear a man and a woman arguing really loudly and than you hear the man beating the shit out of her. The girl starts to quietly cry.
The Rock gets pissed and is about to go down to save the day, but he gets fairy-magic-summoned back to Fairyland and is pretty much told that he can't interfere in the lives of humans, or there would be consequences. He doesn't take that, and there is a pseudo fight/escape from fairyland and he gets back to Earth. He's kind of on the run now, and can't use his powers or they'll be able to find him.
He goes back to the little girl's house, and the dad (fucking big guy) is drunk and about to head up to the girl's room to do something (beat her?). Rock appears, and they fight. Its like something out of the Rundown....but with fairy powers. Shit is being broken, and the Rock is flying around dodging being. The bad dad pulls a gun, and shit kind of gets real. The Rock is able to use flying and a combination of fairy magic to deflect/dodge bullets.
Julie Andrews' character (like...queen of the tooth fairies?) gets a lock on the Rock's magic signal and pulls the plug on his magic.
The Rock drops to the ground, stands back up and is immediately shot. He goes down, doesn't get back up.
All the commotion and gunshots had gotten the police's attention and they storm the place and take down the bad dad. The mom is crying, and the daughter comes down and sees the dead Rock (who she knew was the Tooth Fairy) and just starts sobbing. Like...The Rock had made her believe in something amazing and magical when her life was nothing but shit and then (indirectly, I guess) gotten her horrible father taken out of the picture, so she could be happy. And as cliche and corny as it may sound, he also allowed her to be free to be a child and believe in fantasy even though her reality had been so bitter and awful.
It was insanely heartbreaking. I was crying. I did not expect the movie to turn down that path.
It ain't gonna win any awards, but its pretty intense.
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I loved Willy Wonka. Both of them!
This is what I said earlier in the thread
I truthfully don't think Depp has ever made a bad film where he and his acting has been the problem
For example, Secret Window.
Steam
at the same time?
but burton directed him into those performances
only in my wildest fantasies
he wouldnt have done those performances if tim burton didnt make those movies
We can certainly place blame, a lot of it, towards the director but an actor can't use that completely as an excuse.
Even George Lucas got good performances out of Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid.
I mean we have seen Depp perform well in other Burton films, so what happened? Did Burton's directing get significantly worse or did Depp get significantly lazier when working with a director who'd let me slack off?
I stayed away from Alice In Wonderland for as long as I could until I watched it on netflix earlier this year and I just really didn't see the appeal in it at all. Everything about it was just off in the entirely wrong way and I think that's more Burton's fault that Depp's.
so comparison is completely deserved
Just imagine.
WHAT?! What did you just say to me?
because oh my gosh
See!
No matter how bad something appears, it can always, always be worse.
Steam
The Rock is awesome
Get the fuck outta here
You are a monster
If by worse you mean better than yeah!
At least The Rock would have possibly gone another way as opposed to the stupid, pseudo-child rapist performance of Depp.
I'm saying that at least then, you would have known it would have been terrible from the start, expected a B-movie of epic proportions, not been disappointed, and would have loved it, but known it shouldn't have been compared to the original in any way.
Steam
he is so far from raping children
hes basically asexual and socially broken because he was a crazy weirdo who lived in a chocolate factory by himself
That was the best part of the entire movie
I'm saying that The Rock as Willy Wonka would automatically make Willy Wonka a B-movie which people would maybe love.
There's no way Rock could play Wonka and people would compare it to Wilder's Wonka.
Steam
Now, if Dwayne Johnson had been there, ok, yeah, cinematic masterpiece. Alas...
This is what I said about Depp
Of course Depp isn't better than Wilder. Of course the movie wasn't gonna be better than the original.
If you expected anything close to that, you were gonna be disappointed as hell.
I didn't, and I still found some good things out of the new one, critics be damned.
Steam
The Scorpion King sucked.
Other than that, I agree with you.
Steam
how can you say something i agree with then be so horribly, horribly wrong immediately afterward
Then I was watching it in theaters opening weekend, and half an hour in had my face in my palm thinking to myself "Jesus Christ, why did I think this would be a good idea"
Steam
Burton's Charlie And The Chocolate Factory was actually a thinly-veiled speculative biography of Michael Jackson
I absolutely love the Rock but he is not without his flaws.
But he is always awesome. He is a glowing beacon of goodness no matter how deeply mired in poodoo
Edit: And the Scorpion King is intensely funny if you know that at the end of everything, the dude just ends up as a mindlessly evil CG scorptaur
Damn right!