Jimmy tells Nucky he wants to help make things right after trying to screw him over for the whole season. He and Richard go to the interim treasurer, make him sign a confession that it was Nucky's brother who ordered the murder of Margaret's husband, then shoot the treasurer and make it look like a suicide. Nucky and Margaret get married, because as his wife she can't be compelled to testify against him. Thus, the case against Nucky falls apart.
Nucky tells Jimmy that he knows where Manny Horvitz is, and he'll bring him to a particular spot so Jimmy can have his revenge for his wife. When they meet it turns out to be a setup and Nucky personally shoots Jimmy dead
Jimmy tells Nucky he wants to help make things right after trying to screw him over for the whole season. He and Richard go to the interim treasurer, make him sign a confession that it was Nucky's brother who ordered the murder of Margaret's husband, then shoot the treasurer and make it look like a suicide. Nucky and Margaret get married, because as his wife she can't be compelled to testify against him. Thus, the case against Nucky falls apart.
Nucky tells Jimmy that he knows where Manny Horvitz is, and he'll bring him to a particular spot so Jimmy can have his revenge for his wife. When they meet it turns out to be a setup and Nucky personally shoots Jimmy dead
Jimmy tells Nucky he wants to help make things right after trying to screw him over for the whole season. He and Richard go to the interim treasurer, make him sign a confession that it was Nucky's brother who ordered the murder of Margaret's husband, then shoot the treasurer and make it look like a suicide. Nucky and Margaret get married, because as his wife she can't be compelled to testify against him. Thus, the case against Nucky falls apart.
Nucky tells Jimmy that he knows where Manny Horvitz is, and he'll bring him to a particular spot so Jimmy can have his revenge for his wife. When they meet it turns out to be a setup and Nucky personally shoots Jimmy dead
is there any way that it is a fake out/he's not dead/it was my twin brother?
I mean, I don't expect it from this show, just making sure.
Not really
He was calmly telling Nucky this whole thing about what it's like to kill a man and how will he cope with it once the booze runs out and he's left all alone, and Nucky shot him once and he fell down in the mud, still alive
Nucky stands over him and says "I'm not looking for forgiveness" and shoots him again, right in the forehead
I feel like this show is very well made and I really love pretty much every actor in it, but the writers need to find a way to tell a satisfying story arc.
Like, I get the idea of trying to portray a gritty realistic depiction of prohibition mobsters, but you still need to satisfy the audience to a certain extent with your character arcs. Otherwise, there's no investment.
Maybe it was to show us that, like Jimmy, we thought we knew Nucky, knew what kind of person he was. But we really don't, and didn't realize how much of a ruthless bastard he can be?
Maybe it was to show us that, like Jimmy, we thought we knew Nucky, knew what kind of person he was. But we really don't, and didn't realize how much of a ruthless bastard he can be?
without seeing this specific episode, I don't think so? I mean, I am not surprised at all that nucky would do that at this point in the show, from a character perspective. Not only that, from a pragmatic and retributive sense, he's not wrong. Jimmy completely fucked him, and was attempting to ruin his life and everything he had worked for (and again, there are mitigating factors from Jimmy's perspective but I'm just talking about what Nucky thinks). It was a complete betrayal, and then Jimmy (once everything has gone south with his plan) comes back looking to say he's sorry?
Yeah. Fucking. Right. Just like with Eli, it's too little, too late. That part makes complete sense to me as a viewer. What is shocking is the writers actually following through with that line of thought. There are plenty of ways Jimmy could have survived. He could have backed off, gone back to Chicago with Capone, come up with some sort of collateral or leverage with which to protect himself, etc. In fact, that seems like the most likely thing, since supposedly the whole point of his arc was that he was a smart guy who nucky was grooming for succession.
Moves that subvert audience expectation can work really well, but it's a tricky thing to do, and if you don't satisfy the audience in other ways, with other arcs, then your story loses focus and becomes just a bunch of people doing things, rather than a group of characters in which you are invested emotionally. Sometimes that calls for characters not being killed when maybe in reality they would be, but a skillful writer can make that adjustment look natural.
I feel like this show is very well made and I really love pretty much every actor in it, but the writers need to find a way to tell a satisfying story arc.
Like, I get the idea of trying to portray a gritty realistic depiction of prohibition mobsters, but you still need to satisfy the audience to a certain extent with your character arcs. Otherwise, there's no investment.
Yeah. There's a lot of interesting stuff going on. Unfortunately all of that is denigrated by the lack of any real direction for anyone (besides maybe Nucky) and what the website Pajiba calls "The Hammer of the Week," which is when the plot or theme is hammered upon by music, framing, or first draft dialogue from a Creative Greek Tragedy 203 class.
Maybe it was to show us that, like Jimmy, we thought we knew Nucky, knew what kind of person he was. But we really don't, and didn't realize how much of a ruthless bastard he can be?
without seeing this specific episode, I don't think so? I mean, I am not surprised at all that nucky would do that at this point in the show, from a character perspective. Not only that, from a pragmatic and retributive sense, he's not wrong. Jimmy completely fucked him, and was attempting to ruin his life and everything he had worked for (and again, there are mitigating factors from Jimmy's perspective but I'm just talking about what Nucky thinks). It was a complete betrayal, and then Jimmy (once everything has gone south with his plan) comes back looking to say he's sorry?
Yeah. Fucking. Right. Just like with Eli, it's too little, too late. That part makes complete sense to me as a viewer. What is shocking is the writers actually following through with that line of thought. There are plenty of ways Jimmy could have survived. He could have backed off, gone back to Chicago with Capone, come up with some sort of collateral or leverage with which to protect himself, etc. In fact, that seems like the most likely thing, since supposedly the whole point of his arc was that he was a smart guy who nucky was grooming for succession.
Moves that subvert audience expectation can work really well, but it's a tricky thing to do, and if you don't satisfy the audience in other ways, with other arcs, then your story loses focus and becomes just a bunch of people doing things, rather than a group of characters in which you are invested emotionally. Sometimes that calls for characters not being killed when maybe in reality they would be, but a skillful writer can make that adjustment look natural.
The only thing I could really think of is that the writers decided to take a page from Game of Thrones.
Jimmy decided to try and do what he thought was right and got killed for it. And it is sad cause I felt there was a lot more that could have been done with the character. Before this episode I was pretty enthusiastic for season 3 but now not so much?
Eh, this is kind of just a 2 episode arc starting from last week, I feel like
Last week's episode: Jimmy's character spirals irrevocably out of control due to events both in the past and present
This week: Jimmy goes down so we don't have to go through the entire series with all that shit swirling around him
I worry sometimes that some of the writing decisions in the 11th hour have just been kneejerk responses to people complaining about the show not being spicy enough. Granted, this was at least more natural than last week, but it almost felt like damage control.
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So that's the face you make when that happens.
Also the Commodore is a spry mother fucker for a stroke victim and this is going to be one hell of a season finale I tell you what.
I don't think we can help
Don't impregnate 12 year old girls.
shit
I really hope this lets Richard grow to be a bigger badass, start taking action instead of being just a lackey.
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right
now
Just watch the show!
Nucky tells Jimmy that he knows where Manny Horvitz is, and he'll bring him to a particular spot so Jimmy can have his revenge for his wife. When they meet it turns out to be a setup and Nucky personally shoots Jimmy dead
I am unable to at the moment
is there any way that it is a fake out/he's not dead/it was my twin brother?
I mean, I don't expect it from this show, just making sure.
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Not really
Nucky stands over him and says "I'm not looking for forgiveness" and shoots him again, right in the forehead
Like, I get the idea of trying to portray a gritty realistic depiction of prohibition mobsters, but you still need to satisfy the audience to a certain extent with your character arcs. Otherwise, there's no investment.
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Yeah. Fucking. Right. Just like with Eli, it's too little, too late. That part makes complete sense to me as a viewer. What is shocking is the writers actually following through with that line of thought. There are plenty of ways Jimmy could have survived. He could have backed off, gone back to Chicago with Capone, come up with some sort of collateral or leverage with which to protect himself, etc. In fact, that seems like the most likely thing, since supposedly the whole point of his arc was that he was a smart guy who nucky was grooming for succession.
Moves that subvert audience expectation can work really well, but it's a tricky thing to do, and if you don't satisfy the audience in other ways, with other arcs, then your story loses focus and becomes just a bunch of people doing things, rather than a group of characters in which you are invested emotionally. Sometimes that calls for characters not being killed when maybe in reality they would be, but a skillful writer can make that adjustment look natural.
Jimmy decided to try and do what he thought was right and got killed for it. And it is sad cause I felt there was a lot more that could have been done with the character. Before this episode I was pretty enthusiastic for season 3 but now not so much?
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Eh, this is kind of just a 2 episode arc starting from last week, I feel like
This week: Jimmy goes down so we don't have to go through the entire series with all that shit swirling around him
I worry sometimes that some of the writing decisions in the 11th hour have just been kneejerk responses to people complaining about the show not being spicy enough. Granted, this was at least more natural than last week, but it almost felt like damage control.