The HR player has the Under Empire upgrade... The Under Empire - You treat all regions with Skaven tokens as adjacent regions. When a region is ruined, you may immediately move any number of your figures from that region into one adjacent region.
The OWC says a token is placed in X region and 1 adjacent region, for example... The Grail Is Found - Remove all Event tokens from the board and remove any Old World cards bearing the Twin-tailed Comet icon from the Old World track. Then, place one Event token in Bretonnia and one Event token in any single region adjacent to Bretonnia. - In the end phase when Old World cards are resolved, all corruption tokens are removed from every region where there is at least one Event token.
The HR is to make decisions which is often the case. Does this mean that he can place the token anywhere that is adjacent for him, as per UE, or normally adjacent? I ask as the HR player is to make any decisions, but wasn't sure if the upgrade was in effect here.
Can't see a reason why it wouldn't be, but wanted guidence on it.
Be interesting to see the grail turn up in Norsca for a change!
Sorry about that! I've tucked you back in after displaced quasar and on the newbie list.
@Cerberus - I don't see anything in the text of the Under Empire upgrade limiting when it takes effect, so by Rules as Written, as long as the Rat himself is placing the tokens I guess he can put it wherever is adjacent for him. Thematically, though, that feels off; the Old World cards are looking for physical adjacency, but I suppose a group looking for the grail could end up wandering through the underdark* and end up popping back out someplace else.
*Yes, I realize that's the DnD term, but you know what I mean.
I don't think its come up in a game yet but thought it worth asking. I had the same feeling as you, from the wording it seemed the HR could do it, but the OWC made me feel it was restricted adjacency for a reason.
The Rat Messiah was in Norsca.
or
The Grail was stolen by rats.
This answer seem right thematically, linguistically & in a rules lawyer-y nitpicking way.
I like the Idea of "Yes" as the default answer to anything.
Darian "the Old World cards are looking for physical adjacency"
- Sure, and the Underempire breaking that rule is it's thang. Explicitly connecting regions that are not physically adjacent is EXACTLY what it is about. How could any answer other than "YES" be justified?
blahmcblahYou pick your side and you stick - you don't cut and run when things get ugly.Registered Userregular
I thought that Nurgle and Tzeentch would both be trying to force the Old World victory once they were out of the game, so I was surprised to see those Plaguebearers in Kislev, knowing that if one died in battle the game was sure to be won by someone, but was even more shocked by the Havoc that sealed it for not-Old-World.
I was really pulling for the Old World, and not just so I could beat Darian to 5 wins. Congrats on that too, by the way!
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
Naw, at the end I was going for "how many points can I get" so I tried for ruination.
Game 71 has ended in a Slaanesh VP victory for Darian, congratulation.
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FlimflammeryThere's always money in the banana stand...Oxford, UKRegistered Userregular
Hi,
I'm new to the forum, and wondering if it would be possible to get in on a game at some point. However, I would like to do a base game if possible - I only fairly recently got hold of the boardgame in RL, and, despite loving it to pieces, I don't seem to be able to get groups together to play it very often - so I'd like a chance to get better at the base game. Since the general trend at the moment here is apparently Horned Rat games, I'm not too optimistic about my chances, but please count me in if anyone fancies getting a base game together!
FlimflammeryThere's always money in the banana stand...Oxford, UKRegistered Userregular
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Either would suit me fine; I've not played with the Horned Rat yet, but I do love me a bit of Skaven (massive fan of playing Blood Bowl with the little buggers).
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blahmcblahYou pick your side and you stick - you don't cut and run when things get ugly.Registered Userregular
@Flimflammery - If you wanted a four-player strictly base game, I'd say @stever777 is your man, but I think he's currently taking a break from hosting stuff. Either way, I highly recommend playing with the expansion, even if you don't have a ton of experience with the base game. It's not a huge leap, and while there may be... a few more balance issues, I think it's generally more interesting and less obvious. If you're open to it, I'll invite you to the game I was planning on starting tonight. I tend to put to a vote among the players what cards/upgrades are used in my games, so we can try to convince the others to play with base cards and upgrades. If we're unsuccessful, you can decide to either just play or decline until the next chance comes around.
@blahmcblah -- make sure you invite the forgotten new one (Telnaior), as well. I somehow missed his signup a while back.
I'm thinking my next game should be our first Morrslieb Game of Champions, but I'm not sure what we should do for the bloodletter upgrade for it. Thoughts?
I thought that Nurgle and Tzeentch would both be trying to force the Old World victory once they were out of the game, so I was surprised to see those Plaguebearers in Kislev, knowing that if one died in battle the game was sure to be won by someone, but was even more shocked by the Havoc that sealed it for not-Old-World.
I was really pulling for the Old World, and not just so I could beat Darian to 5 wins. Congrats on that too, by the way!
Yeah, as soon as I saw more plaguebearers go down, I basically thought, "Well, Nurgle has no interest in helping the Old World win, so I may as well do some kingmaking." That didn't work out as well as I hoped though.
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blahmcblahYou pick your side and you stick - you don't cut and run when things get ugly.Registered Userregular
@Darian - I presume that your view on Daemonic Subtlety is that if two are played in the same region each warrior and greater daemon drops two corruption? I know you ruled that this wouldn't happen for Havoc due to the fact it is instead of battle dice. Came up in a RL game so thought I would check what you thought.
(M) Daemonic Subtlety - 0 - Your Warriors and Greater Daemons in this region each place one corruption during the corruption phase.
Also I was about to offer to help keep the spreadsheet updated on the games played, but I notice that you've just updated it all. If you still want help updating moving forward I am happy to do so.
Also I looked at the Morrslieb stats for the games we have played here so far... Pretty interesting.
Also I was about to offer to help keep the spreadsheet updated on the games played, but I notice that you've just updated it all. If you still want help updating moving forward I am happy to do so.
Also I looked at the Morrslieb stats for the games we have played here so far... Pretty interesting.
Things that would be fun updates for the spreadsheet:
* specific sortable column showing which version of the bloodletter upgrade is in use for each Morrslieb game, whether it was chosen, and how many VP it gave. (I've done that a bit in the notes field, but we could use someone going back through the earlier games for it and putting it into its own column would free us up to note other interesting things again.)
* links to all of the games (easy enough to pull from the Index, but I just haven't done it)
* columns to list all of the players and host for each game (probably a separate column for each god; this would be good for things like looking through all of magic geek's games as Khorne)
* anything else that would be useful for analyzing the games
If you want to work on it, send me a PM with an email address that I can give rights to.
Keep in mind that 37% Khorne win rate was including all the early games where people still tried to play him for a dial victory and always took vengeance first. I imagine it's even higher in later games with unnerfed bloodletters and a Khorne player who knows to fully exploit them.
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I count 5 wins for Khorne coming as a direct result of the unnerfed Bloodletter upgrade.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
Not surprised at Nurgle's current win percentage. A bit surprised at Slaanesh's since I've personally thought she has a certain string of skills and cards that give her quite an advantage. Tzeentch's seems about right and the Rat is being the Rat and otherwise still is mysterious.
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The HR player has the Under Empire upgrade...
The Under Empire - You treat all regions with Skaven tokens as adjacent regions. When a region is ruined, you may immediately move any number of your figures from that region into one adjacent region.
The OWC says a token is placed in X region and 1 adjacent region, for example...
The Grail Is Found - Remove all Event tokens from the board and remove any Old World cards bearing the Twin-tailed Comet icon from the Old World track. Then, place one Event token in Bretonnia and one Event token in any single region adjacent to Bretonnia. - In the end phase when Old World cards are resolved, all corruption tokens are removed from every region where there is at least one Event token.
The HR is to make decisions which is often the case. Does this mean that he can place the token anywhere that is adjacent for him, as per UE, or normally adjacent? I ask as the HR player is to make any decisions, but wasn't sure if the upgrade was in effect here.
Can't see a reason why it wouldn't be, but wanted guidence on it.
Be interesting to see the grail turn up in Norsca for a change!
Sorry about that! I've tucked you back in after displaced quasar and on the newbie list.
@Cerberus - I don't see anything in the text of the Under Empire upgrade limiting when it takes effect, so by Rules as Written, as long as the Rat himself is placing the tokens I guess he can put it wherever is adjacent for him. Thematically, though, that feels off; the Old World cards are looking for physical adjacency, but I suppose a group looking for the grail could end up wandering through the underdark* and end up popping back out someplace else.
*Yes, I realize that's the DnD term, but you know what I mean.
The Rat Messiah was in Norsca.
or
The Grail was stolen by rats.
This answer seem right thematically, linguistically & in a rules lawyer-y nitpicking way.
I like the Idea of "Yes" as the default answer to anything.
Darian "the Old World cards are looking for physical adjacency"
- Sure, and the Underempire breaking that rule is it's thang. Explicitly connecting regions that are not physically adjacent is EXACTLY what it is about. How could any answer other than "YES" be justified?
Meanwhile I had a horrible, yet fun game that I am eager to bounce back from, namely by not playing Nurgle.
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I was really pulling for the Old World, and not just so I could beat Darian to 5 wins. Congrats on that too, by the way!
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
I'm new to the forum, and wondering if it would be possible to get in on a game at some point. However, I would like to do a base game if possible - I only fairly recently got hold of the boardgame in RL, and, despite loving it to pieces, I don't seem to be able to get groups together to play it very often - so I'd like a chance to get better at the base game. Since the general trend at the moment here is apparently Horned Rat games, I'm not too optimistic about my chances, but please count me in if anyone fancies getting a base game together!
I'm thinking my next game should be our first Morrslieb Game of Champions, but I'm not sure what we should do for the bloodletter upgrade for it. Thoughts?
Re: Morrslieb GoCs - Somehow I doubt many winners would vote for the unnerfed upgrade, if you put it to a vote.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one this happens to.
Still wasted. *hi5* drunkenbuddy.
I need to reevaluate how I make decisions.
Yeah, as soon as I saw more plaguebearers go down, I basically thought, "Well, Nurgle has no interest in helping the Old World win, so I may as well do some kingmaking." That didn't work out as well as I hoped though.
Put me back on the list!
Also I might host a game soon; have we had an all-hosts game recently?
(M) Daemonic Subtlety - 0 - Your Warriors and Greater Daemons in this region each place one corruption during the corruption phase.
Also I was about to offer to help keep the spreadsheet updated on the games played, but I notice that you've just updated it all. If you still want help updating moving forward I am happy to do so.
Also I looked at the Morrslieb stats for the games we have played here so far... Pretty interesting.
Out of 27 Games completed
Khorne = 10 wins = 37.0%
Nurgle = 4 wins = 14.8%
Tzeentch = 6 wins = 22.2%
Slaanesh = 4 wins = 14.8%
The Horned Rat = 3 wins = 11.1%
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Inquisitor77: Rius, you are Sisyphus and melee Wizard is your boulder
Tube: This must be what it felt like to be an Iraqi when Saddam was killed
Bookish Stickers - Mrs. Rius' Etsy shop with bumper stickers and vinyl decals.
Things that would be fun updates for the spreadsheet:
* specific sortable column showing which version of the bloodletter upgrade is in use for each Morrslieb game, whether it was chosen, and how many VP it gave. (I've done that a bit in the notes field, but we could use someone going back through the earlier games for it and putting it into its own column would free us up to note other interesting things again.)
* links to all of the games (easy enough to pull from the Index, but I just haven't done it)
* columns to list all of the players and host for each game (probably a separate column for each god; this would be good for things like looking through all of magic geek's games as Khorne)
* anything else that would be useful for analyzing the games
If you want to work on it, send me a PM with an email address that I can give rights to.
Currently DMing: None
Characters
[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12