Well @Munkus Beaver to be fair IF the studio decided they liked the multi-Bond theory then those two lines could be easily handwaved away ALA "Geeze Bond stop telling everyone your REAL cover namewhich is how we refer to you in the organization and so would still be guarded even if it isn't your real name"
Second one would be tougher but they could just ignore it
ALSO GreyGhost already acknowledged that this would never happen because the studio has directly stated that they don't buy into the whole Multi-Bond thing and that there is only one James Bond. So... he probably didn't miss those details you pointed out!
Either way I like this idea, but yeah it does sound a bit fanfiction-y
Roger Moore was to Bond what Adam West was to Batman; he didn't take it seriously and all of the movies are super campy. Craig is personally my favorite, because he is the most plausible guy to be a globe trotting super spy. Brosnan had potential that was squandered following Tomorrow Never Dies (if you treat it as a neo-Roger Moore episode). I need to rewatch the Dalton ones, but I agree he was underrated. Lazenby's entry was "meh," for me. Connery had some good ones and not-so-good ones and feel like he is put on a pedestal too often.
Also Duran Duran's A view to a kill is indeed awesome. Live and Let Die doesn't do much for me - probably from hearing the overblown guns n roses cover too much.
Also I think GG's idea is neat and could give a rats ass about splitting hairs with the "canon" in a film series that basically defines retconning.
The many Bonds theory is out-and-out bullshit simply because it's been declared as such
Anything else is just an exercise in IMAGINATION TIME, but frankly when it involves Connery as a embittered former superspy out against his old agency I don't give a damn
Hell, if you ask me that premise would hold its own even if he wasn't specifically a former Bond and was just a Cold War era golden boy who turned sour
The Guns n Roses version of Live and Let Die is atrocious
in fact lately I've just decided I don't like Guns n Roses at all
I can understand people not liking them, but I still enjoy appetite for destruction almost in its entirety. That whole use your illusion debacle though... "grunge," didn't kill the band - the band managed to do that swimmingly all by itself. Also I dig the (original) bassist who has done some neat projects here and there (this does not include the whole velvet revolver thing), and he recently published a memoir that was actually written by himself and is a pretty good "life of a rock star" read.
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Munkus you are a grumpy butt.
'sides you could always say James Bond is a code name for upper, but not 00 agents.
Also Timothy Dalton would be Connery's right-hand man, because I always felt Dalton was the angriest of the bunch and if anyone went rogue it would be him
For Dalton, this would more or less be him reprising his guest starring role on Chuck.
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The original Mario Party was fun as shit but the game where they had you twirl the controller using the palm of your hand ripped the fuck out of my skin
My mom took it away from my brother and me because it looked like we were burn victims :<
I remember Nintendo Power (LOOK I WAS LIKE TEN OKAY) had a special offer for people who owned Mario Party: A glove to keep you from ripping your palm to shreds
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@Didgeridoo, that palm wound was a mark of honor at my school.
I still need to find Mario Party 5, my favorite and easily the pinnacle of the series in its ability to ruin friendships.
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Man, the only support for the 'multiple bonds' thing is that literally multiple people have played the guy.
I can't think of a single thing that goes toward the idea other than fanfiction hopes.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
There's also the fact that the plots of each of the movies have literally nothing to do with each other and the different actors portray them in completely different ways!
Munkus pistols at dawn because I cannot live in a world where Dalton is supposed to be the same person as Craig
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Look, it makes about as much sense as a Jackie Chan fighting game with multiple Jackie Chans.
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There's also the fact that the plots of each of the movies have literally nothing to do with each other and the different actors portray them in completely different ways!
Munkus pistols at dawn because I cannot live in a world where Dalton is supposed to be the same person as Craig
I'll tell Jack that you love him, don't worry
Nah, I just consider each Bond to be its own continuity.
Like Batman 1989, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
In On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Lazenby looks right at the camera and says "this never happened to the other guy"
Granted this is a fourth-wall-breaking joke but I think it's the genesis of the initial idea
There are a couple of points indicating continuity between films, such as the multiple appearances of Blofeld (even antagonizing multiple Bonds, indicating that these events take place in a continuum and each film is not a separate continuity, nor even each subset of films featuring each actor) and the retention of Judi Dench as M when the reboot happened
So if we establish that the films are all taking place in the same universe and happening in the same year they're released, you can either surmise that Bond can fight a cold war for 40 some odd years, never age, and change his appearance multiple times, or go the route that they're all different guys
One route is for when you just want to shut up and watch some spy movies
The other route is for when you get really bored in class and start thinking of a way to tell a fun story
And that's all I'm doing, fucking around and having fun with a story
There's also the fact that the plots of each of the movies have literally nothing to do with each other and the different actors portray them in completely different ways!
Munkus pistols at dawn because I cannot live in a world where Dalton is supposed to be the same person as Craig
I'll tell Jack that you love him, don't worry
Nah, I just consider each Bond to be its own continuity.
Like Batman 1989, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.
Wait what damn indication do you have that Batman '89 and Batman Forever are different continuities
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There's also the fact that the plots of each of the movies have literally nothing to do with each other and the different actors portray them in completely different ways!
Munkus pistols at dawn because I cannot live in a world where Dalton is supposed to be the same person as Craig
I'll tell Jack that you love him, don't worry
Nah, I just consider each Bond to be its own continuity.
Like Batman 1989, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.
Wait what damn indication do you have that Batman '89 and Batman Forever are different continuities
I tend to put Forever and B*R into a box where nightmares goes
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
There's also the fact that the plots of each of the movies have literally nothing to do with each other and the different actors portray them in completely different ways!
Munkus pistols at dawn because I cannot live in a world where Dalton is supposed to be the same person as Craig
I'll tell Jack that you love him, don't worry
Nah, I just consider each Bond to be its own continuity.
Like Batman 1989, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.
OH okay I getcha, like each time there's a new bond you view it as a reboot, and the older films are not considered to have happened in the same 'world.'
To me personally (although not apparently to the bond execs!!) It makes a lot of sense for the "Bond" identity to be a cover applied to whatever agent is M's 'pet' at the time (with multiple M s as well, considering the secrecy and time periods covered!).
Where GreyGhost and I differ is that I wouldn't think a new Bond would be assigned until the old one got killed in the line of duty. That would sadly preclude the sort of awesome Bondfest he has in mind
The thing about both your idea and the multi-bond theory is that there isn't really any evidence to support or deny either! You've just got to pick the one you like best. As GG pointed out there are little things to support the multi-bond theory, and as you pointed out there are little things to support the reboot theory
In fact it's almost as if the company re-released Bond in whatever form they thought would be the most profitable at whatever time they thought it would be best received without much thought as to how everything fit together...???
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The only reason why the reboots don't go all 'origin story' on us is because Bond never had one in popular culture. He was just introduced as Bond, master spy.
Exclude origin stories from super hero movies, and you don't see much overlap.
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I meant merit in terms of "an interesting narrative" and I'm fully aware that the studios dismissed the theory as hollow
Do me a big favour and give us the slightest, tiniest iota of credit.
Second one would be tougher but they could just ignore it
ALSO GreyGhost already acknowledged that this would never happen because the studio has directly stated that they don't buy into the whole Multi-Bond thing and that there is only one James Bond. So... he probably didn't miss those details you pointed out!
Either way I like this idea, but yeah it does sound a bit fanfiction-y
I said in the other thread where we were discussing this in that I'm aware there's as much or more evidence that contradicts the theory as supports it
I didn't come up with the original theory, I just thought I could use it to have a fun little bullshit session
And it was fun, Munkus, it was
Good god GG how can you live with yourself
Thank goodness Munkus was on hand with little-known facts about James Bond to stop me from further humiliating myself by endorsing an imaginary story!
Also Duran Duran's A view to a kill is indeed awesome. Live and Let Die doesn't do much for me - probably from hearing the overblown guns n roses cover too much.
Also I think GG's idea is neat and could give a rats ass about splitting hairs with the "canon" in a film series that basically defines retconning.
for what it's worth though, CIA officers are traditionally given a number of code identities, including field names and ones for internal use only
I don't know if MI6 uses a similar practice but it's not without precedent, is all I'm saying
in fact lately I've just decided I don't like Guns n Roses at all
Anything else is just an exercise in IMAGINATION TIME, but frankly when it involves Connery as a embittered former superspy out against his old agency I don't give a damn
Hell, if you ask me that premise would hold its own even if he wasn't specifically a former Bond and was just a Cold War era golden boy who turned sour
"He'll shoot anyone!" especially cracks me up
the man has been a field agent since the height of the cold war until at least 2001, and yet he doesn't look a day over 85!
I can understand people not liking them, but I still enjoy appetite for destruction almost in its entirety. That whole use your illusion debacle though... "grunge," didn't kill the band - the band managed to do that swimmingly all by itself. Also I dig the (original) bassist who has done some neat projects here and there (this does not include the whole velvet revolver thing), and he recently published a memoir that was actually written by himself and is a pretty good "life of a rock star" read.
'sides you could always say James Bond is a code name for upper, but not 00 agents.
Satans..... hints.....
I did not know this
somehow I am now more hype than before
That Skyfall trailer is divine. I am officially hype.
And as rubbish as the movie was, I think this qualified as 2nd favorite theme (behind Live and Let Die):
played
goldeneye
For Dalton, this would more or less be him reprising his guest starring role on Chuck.
me either
Played a tiny bit.
The N64 controller is bad enough for games that aren't FPSs.
Why I fear the ocean.
DK64 and Star Wars Episode 1 Racer were fantastic
Turning or adjusting aim was soooooooooo slooooooooooooow
it was pretty good for its time
and then someone went and designed a phenomenally better way of doing things with the dual joysticks and now I can never go back
How did we ever accept such a system
The original Mario Party was fun as shit but the game where they had you twirl the controller using the palm of your hand ripped the fuck out of my skin
My mom took it away from my brother and me because it looked like we were burn victims :<
I remember Nintendo Power (LOOK I WAS LIKE TEN OKAY) had a special offer for people who owned Mario Party: A glove to keep you from ripping your palm to shreds
I still need to find Mario Party 5, my favorite and easily the pinnacle of the series in its ability to ruin friendships.
I can't think of a single thing that goes toward the idea other than fanfiction hopes.
Munkus pistols at dawn because I cannot live in a world where Dalton is supposed to be the same person as Craig
I'll tell Jack that you love him, don't worry
Nah, I just consider each Bond to be its own continuity.
Like Batman 1989, Batman Forever, and The Dark Knight.
Granted this is a fourth-wall-breaking joke but I think it's the genesis of the initial idea
There are a couple of points indicating continuity between films, such as the multiple appearances of Blofeld (even antagonizing multiple Bonds, indicating that these events take place in a continuum and each film is not a separate continuity, nor even each subset of films featuring each actor) and the retention of Judi Dench as M when the reboot happened
So if we establish that the films are all taking place in the same universe and happening in the same year they're released, you can either surmise that Bond can fight a cold war for 40 some odd years, never age, and change his appearance multiple times, or go the route that they're all different guys
One route is for when you just want to shut up and watch some spy movies
The other route is for when you get really bored in class and start thinking of a way to tell a fun story
And that's all I'm doing, fucking around and having fun with a story
Wait what damn indication do you have that Batman '89 and Batman Forever are different continuities
I tend to put Forever and B*R into a box where nightmares goes
These are stories told by campfire, friends
Really badass, and also racist stories
OH okay I getcha, like each time there's a new bond you view it as a reboot, and the older films are not considered to have happened in the same 'world.'
To me personally (although not apparently to the bond execs!!) It makes a lot of sense for the "Bond" identity to be a cover applied to whatever agent is M's 'pet' at the time (with multiple M s as well, considering the secrecy and time periods covered!).
Where GreyGhost and I differ is that I wouldn't think a new Bond would be assigned until the old one got killed in the line of duty. That would sadly preclude the sort of awesome Bondfest he has in mind
The thing about both your idea and the multi-bond theory is that there isn't really any evidence to support or deny either! You've just got to pick the one you like best. As GG pointed out there are little things to support the multi-bond theory, and as you pointed out there are little things to support the reboot theory
In fact it's almost as if the company re-released Bond in whatever form they thought would be the most profitable at whatever time they thought it would be best received without much thought as to how everything fit together...???
Exclude origin stories from super hero movies, and you don't see much overlap.
At the very least I will state that each Bond actor is not his own continuity
They even mention Vicky Vale knowing who batman is.
Satans..... hints.....