The way to teach a child is to have a couple of test children you can murder, and then make certain your real child knows the consequences of disappointing you.
This is sort of what my parents did.
My brother and I had an older sibling named "Billy", who suffered all sorts of various fates by defying the rules mom and dad put in place.
He was never introduced with any seriousness, but was always useful to provide context for any lesson they were teaching us!
We 'used to have an oldest brother'!
"More fish for Kunta!"
--LeVar Burton
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
Apparantly Bioware has also come out and said the indoctrination theory is wrong, which is a real dick move IMO.
I haven't seen the post where they said it was wrong, so I don't know how dickish it actually was. But generally speaking, the best authors do not go back through their work and correct people's interpretations.
In fact, there are quite a few authors who are infamous for turning away any requests for demystification with blistering silence.
Do you think if T.S. Eliot had internets he would have hung around telling people how silly their take on Waste Land was?
If Bioware wants to be all "artistic freedom and integrity" about their game, they should realize that people are going to start treating it like art. Interpretation and criticism, get used to it, you entitled spoiled little devs.
The way to teach a child is to have a couple of test children you can murder, and then make certain your real child knows the consequences of disappointing you.
This is sort of what my parents did.
My brother and I had an older sibling named "Billy", who suffered all sorts of various fates by defying the rules mom and dad put in place.
He was never introduced with any seriousness, but was always useful to provide context for any lesson they were teaching us!
We 'used to have an oldest brother'!
Poor Billy.
He drowned a lot and got hit by several cars in his time.
Giving control of a cloaked banshee harass to one of my friends so I can stir up trouble.
Donkey Kong [all]: Come on purple, you have detection, why aren't you helping out your friend?
Donkey Kong [all]: Oh no his shit is all on fire
Donkey Kong [all]: He's dying, squirtle
Donkey Kong [all]: You know what, you're right. Letting him get knocked out is for the best.
Monobattles is the best for this
The rage when you're against a team that has a good banshee/reaper player who effectively delays all four of you until 40 collosus knock your face in, the exaltation when you successfully sneak 2 barracks into their naturals without them seeing and attack with a pile of marines from behind their wall in or cannon rush two of them at once
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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spool, have you looked at any of the Pioneer Woman recipes? She does like a whole thing with pictures and giving tricks on how to cut onions or whatever and you can see what things are supposed to look like at each step.
Hitting a child doesn't make them learn the lesson you are trying to teach them. It just teaches them to fear and resent you. among other things.
This is too simplistic a statement to be useful except to people who don't have any concept of the difference between a swat on the butt and a punch in the face.
Also it presupposes that children altering bad behavior because they fear punishment is always undesirable, and I don't believe that is the case.
If all they're avoiding is punishment then they're not internalizing WHY said behavior is bad. And once the threat of punishment is gone they no longer feel bound by the resteriction
there's a reason kids with ultra-strict parents go crazy in college.
Like when I was a teenager I got drunk and came home very ill one morning. You know what my parents did? they let me sleep then when I woke up they laughed at me because I was hungover as shit.. No punishment because it was obvious I had learned why doing that was a bad idea on my own.
Would you believe we had to institute a rule "no touching food on anyone else's plate"?
They will steal from each other despite plenty of food available for everyone at the table!
edit: mostly dessert and / or drink because it's too much trouble to get up and get a refill.
just like dogs!
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Running is hard.
Bless your heart.
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
a random observation (im not really in the mood to try and type up some unifying theory of parentingm as if such a thing exists)
i was at a small gathering of my wife's mom friends. maybe 6-8 kids present mostly between 1.5 and 3 years. at one point a girl that looked maybe 3 years old got mad that another kid was doing something she didn't like, so she went up to him and swatted him on the butt.
now is that a problem? i don't know. but it was interesting.
i dont really intend to go the spanking route with my kids simply because i know how poorly things spiralled out of control with me and my parents. but again, everyone is different yadda yadda
Please consider the environment before printing this post.
Would you believe we had to institute a rule "no touching food on anyone else's plate"?
They will steal from each other despite plenty of food available for everyone at the table!
edit: mostly dessert and / or drink because it's too much trouble to get up and get a refill.
is possible
twin bro always tried to steal my coca cola beverage when i was young and i would be like UR BAD @ THIS and he would look sheepish then try it again while not looking but id be like DETECTED SUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Appreciating the fact that Henroid's rallying appeal to end bigotry in gaming is "hit more children." 8->
I'm able to mentally distinguish the difference between a swat on the butt / smack in the mouth vs. full on punches and kicks. If people want to disagree with disciplinary actions, that's fine, but don't turn my take (which is very specific and narrow) into "you child abuser." That's a real low bar to set and a real extreme reaction, akin to idiots who say "marijuana is a gateway drug!" Or maybe things do stop right then and there and don't go further.
All I'm saying is you advocate hitting children as a means of teaching empathy and/or (at the very least) decent manners.
Giving control of a cloaked banshee harass to one of my friends so I can stir up trouble.
Donkey Kong [all]: Come on purple, you have detection, why aren't you helping out your friend?
Donkey Kong [all]: Oh no his shit is all on fire
Donkey Kong [all]: He's dying, squirtle
Donkey Kong [all]: You know what, you're right. Letting him get knocked out is for the best.
i have mastered good natured shit talk in lol
i die and my team murders them all
OH HEY GUYS LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A FIVE FOR ONE DEAL AT WALMART TODAY
they try to take a buff and i stop them
ARE YOU MY OLD HOUSE KEEPER? CAUSE YOU TRY TO STOLE BUT YOU GOT CAUGHT
[Edit: Oh wait, no! I remember now, the worst is when I had impacted ear wax removed with a hook. Felt like my ear drum was being ripped out.
my ear drum burst on the day I did my driving test for my license
blood leaking out of ear
test proctor guy talking to me as I try to parallel park, couldn't hear out of half my head
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
I dunno. I came up in an old-fashioned way. I wasn't physically damaged or abused. I resent my parents, but it has shit-all to do with being disciplined in that manner. My resentment toward my parents has to do with things like being told to do better in school, and when I bring home straight-A's my father tells me it wasn't good enough and asked why I didn't get extra credit to make them into A+'s. There was no "good job," there was no congratulations. When I wanted to learn how to drive? Ask a friend. When I needed direction on how to do taxes or who to go to for taxes? Ask a friend. When I needed to open a bank account? Ask a friend (and specific manipulation to prevent me from opening my own account, for that matter). My mother is no better. The privacy of my mail isn't respected, no discussions can be had without things becoming a mad rant about Obama (a discussion I tried to start about Star Wars quickly turned into "OBAMA"). When a friend's friend died and she was distraught, which made me distraught, I was told, "So what?! WHAT IF I DIE?!" Oh, and when I did live with my mother as a child, she would also smoke indoors constantly, sending us to school smelling heavily of cigarettes. She didn't give one damn about that right there, even when the schools pried.
Getting smacked on the ass as a kid, for me? Big deal, I did dumb shit sometimes and had it coming. But as far as abuse? No, it never went there. The abuses and wrongs my parents have done and do to me are beyond all that. It's not rooted in me having "violence" brought on by me. My position is, I took a swat on the ass. Others took it. And we all manage with it. We function. We are not damaged goods. Not everyone ends up okay from it. But the extreme opposite results in people not growing up with their complete faculties either, I observe. Any way imaginable to raise kids, any formula you come up with, will have applications where it fails the child (and the parent) and works. If you want to suggest I was physically abused, that's your prerogative.
spool, have you looked at any of the Pioneer Woman recipes? She does like a whole thing with pictures and giving tricks on how to cut onions or whatever and you can see what things are supposed to look like at each step.
Also all of her recipes are delicious.
I have not, but I'll check it out.
lso I feel that a "before & after" photo of the kitchen would help sometimes in deciding what to cook for dinner.
For example, my kitchen is a disaster after making that gumbo! I need a bigger pot.
Corporal punishment can be extremely useful. But not because it's painful; because it's an expression of disapproval turned up to eleven. When my twins were ~18 months the younger one wanted to put his mouth on outlets. Well, I've only successfully made them upset through scolding them about twice, so I swatted his noggin. Worked great; no more suicidal toddler.
P.S. As I started writing this, he climbed down off my lap, and then promptly smacked me in the balls. I think he might be psychic.
"More fish for Kunta!"
--LeVar Burton
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Donkey KongPutting Nintendo out of business with AI nipsRegistered Userregular
They didn't put the whole song in the episode. In the original, it's all about how Marceline's dad was never there for her, always working, never took her out for fries and a shake, how she felt abandoned. Then when she was finally old enough to do it herself, he came home from work one night and and ate her food. It was probably a little too sad.
Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
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Damn, already. I was totally going to teach myself how to play again before it came out so I wouldn't be terribad. Not sure how many of my friends plan on gettting it though
I dunno. I came up in an old-fashioned way. I wasn't physically damaged or abused. I resent my parents, but it has shit-all to do with being disciplined in that manner. My resentment toward my parents has to do with things like being told to do better in school, and when I bring home straight-A's my father tells me it wasn't good enough and asked why I didn't get extra credit to make them into A+'s. There was no "good job," there was no congratulations. When I wanted to learn how to drive? Ask a friend. When I needed direction on how to do taxes or who to go to for taxes? Ask a friend. When I needed to open a bank account? Ask a friend (and specific manipulation to prevent me from opening my own account, for that matter). My mother is no better. The privacy of my mail isn't respected, no discussions can be had without things becoming a mad rant about Obama (a discussion I tried to start about Star Wars quickly turned into "OBAMA"). When a friend's friend died and she was distraught, which made me distraught, I was told, "So what?! WHAT IF I DIE?!" Oh, and when I did live with my mother as a child, she would also smoke indoors constantly, sending us to school smelling heavily of cigarettes. She didn't give one damn about that right there, even when the schools pried.
Getting smacked on the ass as a kid, for me? Big deal, I did dumb shit sometimes and had it coming. But as far as abuse? No, it never went there. The abuses and wrongs my parents have done and do to me are beyond all that. It's not rooted in me having "violence" brought on by me. My position is, I took a swat on the ass. Others took it. And we all manage with it. We function. We are not damaged goods. Not everyone ends up okay from it. But the extreme opposite results in people not growing up with their complete faculties either, I observe. Any way imaginable to raise kids, any formula you come up with, will have applications where it fails the child (and the parent) and works. If you want to suggest I was physically abused, that's your prerogative.
ok here is how this goes
you turned out ok, and that tells us one thing. it tells us that physical chastisement of children does not necessarily fuck them up. but thats not actually what we care about
what we are interested in is if, on average, children who are physically disciplined turn out to have problems later on. and there has been more than a little study of this. almost without exception physical punishment, of any strength or severity, is found to be associated with problems (most commonly aggression, delinquency of various forms and depression). this type of punishment SIMPLY DOESNT WORK.
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We 'used to have an oldest brother'!
--LeVar Burton
eat their foodz
It was a gangbang, tho.
I haven't seen the post where they said it was wrong, so I don't know how dickish it actually was. But generally speaking, the best authors do not go back through their work and correct people's interpretations.
In fact, there are quite a few authors who are infamous for turning away any requests for demystification with blistering silence.
Do you think if T.S. Eliot had internets he would have hung around telling people how silly their take on Waste Land was?
If Bioware wants to be all "artistic freedom and integrity" about their game, they should realize that people are going to start treating it like art. Interpretation and criticism, get used to it, you entitled spoiled little devs.
Poor Billy.
He drowned a lot and got hit by several cars in his time.
Monobattles is the best for this
The rage when you're against a team that has a good banshee/reaper player who effectively delays all four of you until 40 collosus knock your face in, the exaltation when you successfully sneak 2 barracks into their naturals without them seeing and attack with a pile of marines from behind their wall in or cannon rush two of them at once
I bet you like all the old-timey things
some of dis
soma dis
whole lotta dis
maybe some corn...
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Also all of her recipes are delicious.
If all they're avoiding is punishment then they're not internalizing WHY said behavior is bad. And once the threat of punishment is gone they no longer feel bound by the resteriction
there's a reason kids with ultra-strict parents go crazy in college.
Like when I was a teenager I got drunk and came home very ill one morning. You know what my parents did? they let me sleep then when I woke up they laughed at me because I was hungover as shit.. No punishment because it was obvious I had learned why doing that was a bad idea on my own.
Would you believe we had to institute a rule "no touching food on anyone else's plate"?
They will steal from each other despite plenty of food available for everyone at the table!
edit: mostly dessert and / or drink because it's too much trouble to get up and get a refill.
And that feeling when that person is you.
just like dogs!
i was at a small gathering of my wife's mom friends. maybe 6-8 kids present mostly between 1.5 and 3 years. at one point a girl that looked maybe 3 years old got mad that another kid was doing something she didn't like, so she went up to him and swatted him on the butt.
now is that a problem? i don't know. but it was interesting.
i dont really intend to go the spanking route with my kids simply because i know how poorly things spiralled out of control with me and my parents. but again, everyone is different yadda yadda
Although it does pose the question, what if indoctrination theory is only correct if you
Are narratives of player choice retroactively flexible? My instinct is no, not without precedent in the game.
is possible
twin bro always tried to steal my coca cola beverage when i was young and i would be like UR BAD @ THIS and he would look sheepish then try it again while not looking but id be like DETECTED SUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAA
All I'm saying is you advocate hitting children as a means of teaching empathy and/or (at the very least) decent manners.
That is hilarious.
i have mastered good natured shit talk in lol
i die and my team murders them all
OH HEY GUYS LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A FIVE FOR ONE DEAL AT WALMART TODAY
they try to take a buff and i stop them
ARE YOU MY OLD HOUSE KEEPER? CAUSE YOU TRY TO STOLE BUT YOU GOT CAUGHT
and so on
my ear drum burst on the day I did my driving test for my license
blood leaking out of ear
test proctor guy talking to me as I try to parallel park, couldn't hear out of half my head
Getting smacked on the ass as a kid, for me? Big deal, I did dumb shit sometimes and had it coming. But as far as abuse? No, it never went there. The abuses and wrongs my parents have done and do to me are beyond all that. It's not rooted in me having "violence" brought on by me. My position is, I took a swat on the ass. Others took it. And we all manage with it. We function. We are not damaged goods. Not everyone ends up okay from it. But the extreme opposite results in people not growing up with their complete faculties either, I observe. Any way imaginable to raise kids, any formula you come up with, will have applications where it fails the child (and the parent) and works. If you want to suggest I was physically abused, that's your prerogative.
i have a good 8 hours until bedtime
*cracks fingers*
*mountain dew enema*
are you my old house keeper, because your english is bad
I think it works with all endings, but retroactively changed endings would be cool as hell
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I have not, but I'll check it out.
lso I feel that a "before & after" photo of the kitchen would help sometimes in deciding what to cook for dinner.
For example, my kitchen is a disaster after making that gumbo! I need a bigger pot.
This is why at the end of red Shepard lies in the middle of London rubble and takes a breath - he or she never went up to talk to starkid
bitch you aint paying me
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
"What did you just say to me, young man? I think you need to eat a cookie."
"Por favor, padre, no la galleta!"
HotS is out next month
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P.S. As I started writing this, he climbed down off my lap, and then promptly smacked me in the balls. I think he might be psychic.
--LeVar Burton
They didn't put the whole song in the episode. In the original, it's all about how Marceline's dad was never there for her, always working, never took her out for fries and a shake, how she felt abandoned. Then when she was finally old enough to do it herself, he came home from work one night and and ate her food. It was probably a little too sad.
This has me thinking of Hot Fuzz for some reason.
Damn, already. I was totally going to teach myself how to play again before it came out so I wouldn't be terribad. Not sure how many of my friends plan on gettting it though
twitch.tv/tehsloth
ok here is how this goes
you turned out ok, and that tells us one thing. it tells us that physical chastisement of children does not necessarily fuck them up. but thats not actually what we care about
what we are interested in is if, on average, children who are physically disciplined turn out to have problems later on. and there has been more than a little study of this. almost without exception physical punishment, of any strength or severity, is found to be associated with problems (most commonly aggression, delinquency of various forms and depression). this type of punishment SIMPLY DOESNT WORK.