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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Podly wrote: »
    that's not what "deconstruct" means

    Deconstruct doesn't have to refer to Derrida or post structural whatevers.

    It can just mean "to disassemble or break down."

    I mean we already have analyze, but that's a more positive synonym

    I am not interested in fighting about my misapplying a word.

    I just wanted to clarify if Podly understood what I was trying to say, or if my misusing this word was so confusing that it ruined my whole post.

    If that happened, I can try to clarify.

    If this is just LOL THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS U R DUMB

    I have zero interest in entertaining that.

    I am not defending the position of these authors (like 8 of them so far) who wrote essays about the novel being racist.

    But I felt it important to say that these people didn't post essays written in crayon, these are serious academic essays that got published and peer reviewed.

    I'm glad that their view isn't completely dominant (as it would seem to be from the essays that are available to me) but I that doesn't mean these people are idiots or wrote bad essays. These essays are carefully constructed, researched with way more sources than I'm going to use, and basically thoughtful.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    "No Job, Stupid Cat" is a good title for a poem

    Or a four word novel.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Fuck!

    Can't even get myself to write anything, just a lazy lump

    what are you trying to write, sig?

    Anything really

    Just something so I don't feel like such a failure, at least I'd be producing a thing

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    Feral wrote: »
    @Podly @Evil Multifarious

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    The actually proper way?

    Inverting the inherent power structure of binaries in a logocentric structure to reveal either the inherent need of the slave by the master or reveal the founding power of presence in Western thought.

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJ9Ggs3Dkk

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    I also noted the poetry in sig's post

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    Write a story about a stupid fucking cat.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    I hope the cool "Sculpting tool" MediaMolecule showed off at the Sony Thing ends up for sale at a small price... I'd pay $5 for that, even if I can't use it to make stuff for the next LBP-ish game.

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    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    The private insurance system is the cause of this.

    For ever doctor doing work you need like 2 people filling out paperwork and yelling at the insurance companies to get paid.

    This is why even though it pays less doctors like Medicare, because the government just pays their damn bills.

    That's a big part of it, yeah.

    Also the situation is, to a certain degree, similar to the situation with universities.

    There's less pressure on the institutions to keep costs down because the people who benefit from services aren't the people negotiating prices.

    The people who benefit from services don't have the expertise to understand what makes for better service and what does not, so they have to make decisions based on proxy factors like the quality of the food or the prettiness of the facilities. (Atomic Ross will talk your ear off about this.)

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    The working title for Iron Man 3 was Caged Heat

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    Ballooning administrative costs and overutilization are the least controversial drivers. (But of course no two people will ever agree on what exactly constitutes "over"utilization versus appropriate utilization.)

    Rising costs were masked for a little while in the 90s by insurance companies profiting more off of float via stock market investments.

    Poor record-keeping and inter-provider coordination cause more medical errors, which can be ameliorated by better use of electronic health records, but the adoption of EHR usually turns out to be much more expensive in the short-run than the medical errors that it prevents, which is why Medicare is offering incentives for it.

    I also firmly believe that the AMA and the AAMC are flagrantly rent-seeking by trying to keep the supply of MDs artificially low and their value artificially high, but I recognize that this is a controversial interpretation.

    right but the point is that these are costs generated by institutional rent-seeking

    because there are weak pressures on cost control at a managerial, rather than individual, level. hence individual staff feel pressurized and cost-constrained yet the money seems to disappear.

    so the question is why there is no pressure to control costs at an institutional level, and my speculative answer is because of a duty to treat that keeps incrementally forcing budgets up; ED being the first to be cut and last to be funded.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    The working title for Iron Man 3 was Caged Heat

    P sure that is the name of a Cinemax After Hours movie.

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    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Podly Evil Multifarious

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    I see how it is

    *gets Feral tattoo adjusted to have a big X over the thundercat logo*

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    i kind of wish i had no job

    but then id have no money

    poo
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    @Eddy

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Podly Evil Multifarious

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    I see how it is

    *gets Feral tattoo adjusted to have a big X over the thundercat logo*

    you're exegesis of deleuze was found wanting

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    The working title for Iron Man 3 was Caged Heat

    P sure that is the name of a Cinemax After Hours movie.

    It's a semi-famous women in prison sexploitation flick

    directed by none other than Jonathan Demme

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Ugggghh

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    Ballooning administrative costs and overutilization are the least controversial drivers. (But of course no two people will ever agree on what exactly constitutes "over"utilization versus appropriate utilization.)

    Rising costs were masked for a little while in the 90s by insurance companies profiting more off of float via stock market investments.

    Poor record-keeping and inter-provider coordination cause more medical errors, which can be ameliorated by better use of electronic health records, but the adoption of EHR usually turns out to be much more expensive in the short-run than the medical errors that it prevents, which is why Medicare is offering incentives for it.

    I also firmly believe that the AMA and the AAMC are flagrantly rent-seeking by trying to keep the supply of MDs artificially low and their value artificially high, but I recognize that this is a controversial interpretation.

    right but the point is that these are costs generated by institutional rent-seeking

    because there are weak pressures on cost control at a managerial, rather than individual, level. hence individual staff feel pressurized and cost-constrained yet the money seems to disappear.

    so the question is why there is no pressure to control costs at an institutional level, and my speculative answer is because of a duty to treat that keeps incrementally forcing budgets up; ED being the first to be cut and last to be funded.

    i think that kind of dovetails with what I said above

    but I think I might be misunderstanding what you mean by "duty to treat" in this context

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Podly wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    @Podly @Evil Multifarious

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    The actually proper way?

    Inverting the inherent power structure of binaries in a logocentric structure to reveal either the inherent need of the slave by the master or reveal the founding power of presence in Western thought.

    You forgot the important, fun part! When you invert the power structure and read thing in the "backward" way it's like reversing all of the colors in a room.

    After you've destabilized that structure, you get to enjoy ping ponging back and forth between normative power dynamics, their inversion, and the wonky, wire-crossing that happens.

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    @Eddy

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    comic.php?date=12202007

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    Hahaha I found this when I was playing Torchlight 2.

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    EVERYBODY FLEES AT THE SIGHT OF @Podly 's WANG!

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Podly wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    that's not what "deconstruct" means

    Can you tell what I meant by what I said though?

    Was I clear enough for you?

    It was. But if you are discussing English Literary Criticism and you use the word "deconstruct" as analogous to "critique/analyze" you are adding to a big big big problem of people co-opting very specific and abstruse philosophical tools and using them willy-nillly to spew bullshit.

    Don't do that.


    As long as you could tell what I meant I'm G2G
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    i fucking quoted structure sign and play in here last night

    where were you podly

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    @Podly @Evil Multifarious

    What is the proper way to use the word 'deconstruct?'

    The actually proper way?

    Inverting the inherent power structure of binaries in a logocentric structure to reveal either the inherent need of the slave by the master or reveal the founding power of presence in Western thought.

    You forgot the important, fun part! When you invert the power structure and read thing in the "backward" way it's like reversing all of the colors in a room.

    After you've destabilized that structure, you get to enjoy ping ponging back and forth between normative power dynamics, their inversion, and the wonky, wire-crossing that happens.

    That's not the important part, and that's where my beloved Derrida gets in a lot of trouble. Yes, it is INCREDIBLY interesting and full of life and perhaps the most vibrant philosophy since Plato, but it's an auxiliary. Deconstruction is the critique of Platonic univocal logocentrism by a program of elucidating the inherence of presence in all logics and speculation.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    Where else do they do it?

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    at least you didn't have to try hard to get nowhere

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    How is your job hunt going?

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    ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Phone talking or whatever is awkward.

    But I don't think I fucked that up. Too bad the guy can't really do much for me getting in >.>

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Personally I think the per procedure model of healthcare is a shitty one that encourages overtesting, over utilization and profits over actual results.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    Ballooning administrative costs and overutilization are the least controversial drivers. (But of course no two people will ever agree on what exactly constitutes "over"utilization versus appropriate utilization.)

    Rising costs were masked for a little while in the 90s by insurance companies profiting more off of float via stock market investments.

    Poor record-keeping and inter-provider coordination cause more medical errors, which can be ameliorated by better use of electronic health records, but the adoption of EHR usually turns out to be much more expensive in the short-run than the medical errors that it prevents, which is why Medicare is offering incentives for it.

    I also firmly believe that the AMA and the AAMC are flagrantly rent-seeking by trying to keep the supply of MDs artificially low and their value artificially high, but I recognize that this is a controversial interpretation.

    right but the point is that these are costs generated by institutional rent-seeking

    because there are weak pressures on cost control at a managerial, rather than individual, level. hence individual staff feel pressurized and cost-constrained yet the money seems to disappear.

    so the question is why there is no pressure to control costs at an institutional level, and my speculative answer is because of a duty to treat that keeps incrementally forcing budgets up; ED being the first to be cut and last to be funded.

    i think that kind of dovetails with what I said above

    but I think I might be misunderstanding what you mean by "duty to treat" in this context

    You mean it's not the massive inefficiency of multiple, layered monopolies?

    fuck gendered marketing
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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    Ballooning administrative costs and overutilization are the least controversial drivers. (But of course no two people will ever agree on what exactly constitutes "over"utilization versus appropriate utilization.)

    Rising costs were masked for a little while in the 90s by insurance companies profiting more off of float via stock market investments.

    Diversion of patients from low-cost primary care offices into high-cost emergency departments due to lack of health insurance is a cost driver. On an overall national scale it's not that big of a cost driver, but when looking at public expenditures specifically it's important because EDs receive a disproportionate share of public funds.

    Poor record-keeping and inter-provider coordination cause more medical errors, which can be ameliorated by better use of electronic health records, but the adoption of EHR usually turns out to be much more expensive in the short-run than the medical errors that it prevents, which is why Medicare is offering incentives for it.

    I also firmly believe that the AMA and the AAMC are flagrantly rent-seeking by trying to keep the supply of MDs artificially low and their value artificially high, but I recognize that this is a controversial interpretation.
    Is it really controversial? I mean, I guess if you're completely ignorant.

    They also rent-seek by trying to keep going to an MD as your only option. Being a GP shouldn't involve having to put on pants on most days. Most days, a GP should be able to sit at home at his computer, and just wait for calls to come in from the large group of PAs and nurses he or she consults for. But we don't want more PAs or nurses, because that would reduce the need for MDs, and would reduce the incredible amount of money they cost.

    I should not need to see a fucking MD when I have an ear infection or strep throat and need some antibiotics, unless there is some sort of strange complication going on that requires more advanced knowledge.

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    Ballooning administrative costs and overutilization are the least controversial drivers. (But of course no two people will ever agree on what exactly constitutes "over"utilization versus appropriate utilization.)

    Rising costs were masked for a little while in the 90s by insurance companies profiting more off of float via stock market investments.

    Poor record-keeping and inter-provider coordination cause more medical errors, which can be ameliorated by better use of electronic health records, but the adoption of EHR usually turns out to be much more expensive in the short-run than the medical errors that it prevents, which is why Medicare is offering incentives for it.

    I also firmly believe that the AMA and the AAMC are flagrantly rent-seeking by trying to keep the supply of MDs artificially low and their value artificially high, but I recognize that this is a controversial interpretation.

    right but the point is that these are costs generated by institutional rent-seeking

    because there are weak pressures on cost control at a managerial, rather than individual, level. hence individual staff feel pressurized and cost-constrained yet the money seems to disappear.

    so the question is why there is no pressure to control costs at an institutional level, and my speculative answer is because of a duty to treat that keeps incrementally forcing budgets up; ED being the first to be cut and last to be funded.

    i think that kind of dovetails with what I said above

    but I think I might be misunderstanding what you mean by "duty to treat" in this context

    there's a duty to treat in ED

    ED might not be the bulk of costs, but that doesn't matter - hospitals have discretion over internal allocation of budgets, so if they put ED first in line to be cut, and ED has a duty to treat, then budget control closes the hospital. that's not popular, so there is no call to control budgets

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    You'll find something good

    in the mean time enjoy the ability to be naked all day and play vija games or something

    try to relax and not get too down about it

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I could totally see how someone could think Huckleberry Finn was hell of racist if they didn't finish it. And it is a long book.

    But all of that is just the nescessary buildup to the main character realizing how deeply shitty and racist his culture and religion and everything he had been brought up to think was good really was. That just because someone does the right and Christian thing doesn't mean they aren't terrible people.

    It is worth slogging through that long, long book just for this if nothing else.
    "All right, then, I'll GO to hell"--and tore it up.”

    No no, these papers I'm talking about are not written by silly or stupid people.

    They have very, very specific examples and opinions and they deconstruct every single moment where Huck Finn is supposedly 'doing the right thing' or having a moral crisis moment and explain why he hasn't changed a bit and is still really racist and sort of awful.

    If I were allowed to write about the book like they are, these would actually be very good papers.

    But the essay topics are like "discuss the symbolism of the river as it relates to social constraints."

    And none of these essays care to talk about any of that, they are all interested in breaking down Huck and/or Twain's racism.

    Jeep, the river isn't really about the river. The awfulness and racism is what they want you to talk about.

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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    Vanguard wrote: »
    i fucking quoted structure sign and play in here last night

    where were you podly

    you would quote structure sign play

    call me when you're ready to talk Speech and Phenomena

    edit* and so help me god if you come at me without having devoured the Husserl first

    SO HELP ME GOD

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    hello friends

    i am le tired

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    Where else do they do it?

    we's doin it right nao

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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