No one in congress actually cares about ending the shutdown anymore, do they
basically no
its gonna come up to the debt limit unless something amazing happens in the next week that averts the shutdown before then
i really do not need this
then turn off the news and read a book?
because, barring a miracle, there is another week of shutdown and then things either get way worse or become only as bad as they were a month ago
you need to do something with your time because you're gonna drive yourself crazy if you just sit around stressing out more and more and more
I suggest reading A Song of Ice and Fire.
At best you'll have a shit ton to read, at worst you'll be prepared for the breakdown of society and whatnots.
I've done nothing all morning but try to get through the line-busy beeping noises to nevada unemployment this is not conducive to reducing stress but I can't just ignore it
so keeping things just about as dysfunctional as they can be without a total meltdown
depressing
it takes a true leader to get nothing done even though both parties have huge agendas a mile long of things they would do in a heartbeat if only they had absolute control of the government
my thoughts
Boehner didn't want a shutdown, but Cruz and his relatively small legion of congressional allies have brought them here. But now that Boehner has crossed the Rubicon, he's not going back empty handed
Establishment GOP has been working overtime to make sure the public knows that "this is all Cruz's fault" to try and take some of the sting out of the likely electoral repercussions
Obama has a giant toolbox of things he can offer Boehner at any time he wanted to but hasn't, because he prefers to play politics at every opportunity possible. He knows that a few weeks of shutdown will not end the United States, and all of the ire and blame about the heartfelt personal tragedies of government workers lives being interrupted can be so predictably redirected to the Republicans that anyone who pays attention to this stuff can mouth his stump speeches as he's giving them without an advanced copy
He has next to no political incentive to act quickly and every day he delays is a chance that the GOP will surrender. Obama will only do something when the state is at risk, which is roughly the debt limit plus or minus a couple of weeks.
The GOP will get something significant as a going-away present and suffer political consequences which they will attempt to redirect toward the Tea Party in hopes of vanquishing them once and for all... which would be a positive for both parties.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Except that if he gives Boehner any of those things, even if they are trivial, it will allow for this exact same situation to occur next CR or Debt Ceiling time. This is not good governance.
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Except that if he gives Boehner any of those things, even if they are trivial, it will allow for this exact same situation to occur next CR or Debt Ceiling time. This is not good governance.
If the congress wasn't routinely ignored up until the moment of crisis, then maybe these things wouldn't have to play out like an episode of 24 all the time
you can take stuff like the debt limit and wrap it up into all kiiiinds of legislation at any point you desire
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The stakes are a bit out of balance.
If Boehner caves, he catches electoral flak, maybe loses his seat or Speakership.
If Obama caves, he legitimizes the hostage tactic being played, crippling the Senate and Executive branch for the foreseeable future and allowing the government to be shut down any time a vocal House minority wants a cookie.
Except that if he gives Boehner any of those things, even if they are trivial, it will allow for this exact same situation to occur next CR or Debt Ceiling time. This is not good governance.
If the congress wasn't routinely ignored up until the moment of crisis, then maybe these things wouldn't have to play out like an episode of 24 all the time
you can take stuff like the debt limit and wrap it up into all kiiiinds of legislation at any point you desire
Man
Can I hire you to come up with a crazy rationalization next time I don't want to go in to work or something?
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
Every time being twice?
Last time they got something. So they did it again.
If they get something this time, they'll do it again. And this time it's not even "durr debt is budget spending is bad", it's "there's an unrelated law we don't like."
So if this works, they get to pick every law they don't like but can't actually repeal and shut down the government until it gets taken out.
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
There is murder in the city slums. Despite meager enforcement and some hand waved actions to stop it, murders are still occurring.
Do we:
1) Give the murderer's steak dinners with expensive wine
2) Stop the murderers from getting food (short term)
Just because it is possible it will happen again doesn't give reason to reward that action. Anyone who has dealt with a pet or child knows this intuitively.
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
Not with the debt ceiling though. If I remember correctly nobody ever threatened to deny raising it until this crop of tea partiers rose to power.
Prior to 1995 there was a rule where every time the budget passed the ceiling raised, it was repealed, and then we had a shutdown.. which was resolved for the rest of Clinton's term
and since then, this is the first era there has been a GOP house and a Democratic president at the same time
It's expected that you'll only see debt limit controversy when the President wants to spend money and the party that doesn't want to spend money controls the house
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
There is murder in the city slums. Despite meager enforcement and some hand waved actions to stop it, murders are still occurring.
Do we:
1) Give the murderer's steak dinners with expensive wine
2) Stop the murderers from getting food (short term)
Just because it is possible it will happen again doesn't give reason to reward that action. Anyone who has dealt with a pet or child knows this intuitively.
the issue with your comparison is only dyed in the wool liberals think that's a valid comparison at all in any way
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
Not with the debt ceiling though. If I remember correctly nobody ever threatened to deny raising it until this crop of tea partiers rose to power.
Prior to 1995 there was a rule where every time the budget passed the ceiling raised, it was repealed, and then we had a shutdown.. which was resolved for the rest of Clinton's term
and since then, this is the first era there has been a GOP house and a Democratic president at the same time
It's expected that you'll only see debt limit controversy when the President wants to spend money and the party that doesn't want to spend money controls the house
democrats don't exactly care
You just proved the point that it is only the GOP which wants to damage America through hostage governance.
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
Not with the debt ceiling though. If I remember correctly nobody ever threatened to deny raising it until this crop of tea partiers rose to power.
Prior to 1995 there was a rule where every time the budget passed the ceiling raised, it was repealed, and then we had a shutdown.. which was resolved for the rest of Clinton's term
and since then, this is the first era there has been a GOP house and a Democratic president at the same time
It's expected that you'll only see debt limit controversy when the President wants to spend money and the party that doesn't want to spend money controls the house
democrats don't exactly care
You just proved the point that it is only the GOP which wants to damage America through hostage governance.
I proved that the GOP is the only party who has any reason to challenge a president against increasing spending. Obama doesn't have to let it go to Sudden Death Overtime. He chooses to.
I hear this "legitimize hostage tactic" thing parroted all the time
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
Not with the debt ceiling though. If I remember correctly nobody ever threatened to deny raising it until this crop of tea partiers rose to power.
Prior to 1995 there was a rule where every time the budget passed the ceiling raised, it was repealed, and then we had a shutdown.. which was resolved for the rest of Clinton's term
and since then, this is the first era there has been a GOP house and a Democratic president at the same time
It's expected that you'll only see debt limit controversy when the President wants to spend money and the party that doesn't want to spend money controls the house
democrats don't exactly care
You just proved the point that it is only the GOP which wants to damage America through hostage governance.
I proved that the GOP is the only party who has any reason to challenge a president against increasing spending. Obama doesn't have to let it go to Sudden Death Overtime. He chooses to.
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Woah Woah Woah
Suicide by boredom isn't the answer!
it'll let them get worked up over fictional bullshit as an alternative to real bullshit
and who's going to blink?
What are we going to do once this thread is closed?
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Man fuck these dudes, beltway is terrible enough.
Uh
That also sounds like they are planning kidnappings
Awesome?
If Larlar and the mods don't meet our demands to raise the thread limit then we're going to shut the entire forum down.
I think the most likely outcome to this is no changes to Obamacare, but another sequester-like deal that takes place after the 2014 elections
depressing
Rockin' through the night.
Yeah, we got a great big convoy,
Ain't she a beautiful sight?
it takes a true leader to get nothing done even though both parties have huge agendas a mile long of things they would do in a heartbeat if only they had absolute control of the government
my thoughts
Boehner didn't want a shutdown, but Cruz and his relatively small legion of congressional allies have brought them here. But now that Boehner has crossed the Rubicon, he's not going back empty handed
Establishment GOP has been working overtime to make sure the public knows that "this is all Cruz's fault" to try and take some of the sting out of the likely electoral repercussions
Obama has a giant toolbox of things he can offer Boehner at any time he wanted to but hasn't, because he prefers to play politics at every opportunity possible. He knows that a few weeks of shutdown will not end the United States, and all of the ire and blame about the heartfelt personal tragedies of government workers lives being interrupted can be so predictably redirected to the Republicans that anyone who pays attention to this stuff can mouth his stump speeches as he's giving them without an advanced copy
He has next to no political incentive to act quickly and every day he delays is a chance that the GOP will surrender. Obama will only do something when the state is at risk, which is roughly the debt limit plus or minus a couple of weeks.
The GOP will get something significant as a going-away present and suffer political consequences which they will attempt to redirect toward the Tea Party in hopes of vanquishing them once and for all... which would be a positive for both parties.
I am looking forward to the 1-3 arrested truckers while no one else takes part in this hilarious bullshit
If the congress wasn't routinely ignored up until the moment of crisis, then maybe these things wouldn't have to play out like an episode of 24 all the time
you can take stuff like the debt limit and wrap it up into all kiiiinds of legislation at any point you desire
If Boehner caves, he catches electoral flak, maybe loses his seat or Speakership.
If Obama caves, he legitimizes the hostage tactic being played, crippling the Senate and Executive branch for the foreseeable future and allowing the government to be shut down any time a vocal House minority wants a cookie.
Man
Can I hire you to come up with a crazy rationalization next time I don't want to go in to work or something?
tell me, if the "hostage tactic" becomes legitimized, exactly what is the perceptible difference between that and what we have now
it happens almost every time
Not with the debt ceiling though. If I remember correctly nobody ever threatened to deny raising it until this crop of tea partiers rose to power.
Every time being twice?
Last time they got something. So they did it again.
If they get something this time, they'll do it again. And this time it's not even "durr debt is budget spending is bad", it's "there's an unrelated law we don't like."
So if this works, they get to pick every law they don't like but can't actually repeal and shut down the government until it gets taken out.
There is murder in the city slums. Despite meager enforcement and some hand waved actions to stop it, murders are still occurring.
Do we:
1) Give the murderer's steak dinners with expensive wine
2) Stop the murderers from getting food (short term)
Just because it is possible it will happen again doesn't give reason to reward that action. Anyone who has dealt with a pet or child knows this intuitively.
Prior to 1995 there was a rule where every time the budget passed the ceiling raised, it was repealed, and then we had a shutdown.. which was resolved for the rest of Clinton's term
and since then, this is the first era there has been a GOP house and a Democratic president at the same time
It's expected that you'll only see debt limit controversy when the President wants to spend money and the party that doesn't want to spend money controls the house
democrats don't exactly care
"Yes sir right away but first, are you a murderer?"
"...
...
...yes. "
"Then I'm afraid I can't serve you sir"
"I'LL KILL YOU"
"OH NO THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I REFUSED TO SERVE YOU"
the issue with your comparison is only dyed in the wool liberals think that's a valid comparison at all in any way
You just proved the point that it is only the GOP which wants to damage America through hostage governance.
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You are welcome
I proved that the GOP is the only party who has any reason to challenge a president against increasing spending. Obama doesn't have to let it go to Sudden Death Overtime. He chooses to.
Bruno Mars is shit
And I like pop music
why is paris hilton trending?
miley cyrus is the trainwreck of the month
Nope.