I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
urban canvas is a finite resource
and there is always someone looking to paint over something
it's often a question of which area has the least money preventing it from being whitewashed
not particularly
it is a question of who the middle class identifies with the least
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
urban canvas is a finite resource
and there is always someone looking to paint over something
it's often a question of which area has the least money preventing it from being whitewashed
not particularly
it is a question of who the middle class identifies with the least
predicated on that group not having more money/political influence than the middle class
(which in America amounts to the same thing)
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
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like, i understand what the metaphor is trying to convey
but we don't have to get rid of paintings (masterpieces or otherwise) to make room for the new ones
which is distinctly what the whole process of decay and renewal is about
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
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jakobaggerLO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTOREDRegistered Userregular
edited April 2014
there are other choices than A) bulldozing all cultural heritage or B ) unbridled urban sprawl
it is possible to grow a city in ways that does not compromise aesthetics, livability etc
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
there are other choices than A) bulldozing all cultural heritage or B ) unbridled urban sprawl
it is possible to grow a city in ways that does not compromise aesthetics, livability etc
for most cities at least
Counterpoint - Nuh uh
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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VanguardBut now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERSregular
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
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Apothe0sisHave you ever questioned the nature of your reality?Registered Userregular
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
Well for San Francisco just wait for 'the big one' it is supposed to be along soon.
Did my taxes.... did you know you can't deduct student loan interest at a certain income level? Not the end of the world but kinda BS. Sucks for MDs with 600K in student debt
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
ok, I get it now
it is still a useful metaphor
not really
if you're trying to build a metaphor around the concept of limited resources and how they get reused
I am extremely skeptical of the 'daily routines' infographic that was posted earlier this thread.
Is it their stated routine? Their actual routine? If it is there actual routine how was it deduced? How strictly was it adhered to? At what age and period of their life was this routine maintained and for how long?
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
ok, I get it now
it is still a useful metaphor
not really
if you're trying to build a metaphor around the concept of limited resources and how they get reused
it helps if the metaphor is similarly limited
I didn't invoke paintings or canvases, Elldren did
the incongruity is the point
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Apothe0sisHave you ever questioned the nature of your reality?Registered Userregular
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
ok, I get it now
it is still a useful metaphor
not really
if you're trying to build a metaphor around the concept of limited resources and how they get reused
it helps if the metaphor is similarly limited
you pointed out that painting over another painting reduces the quality of your work
which is an extremely useful parallel
that literal canvas is not in short supply is why it's a metaphor
I am extremely skeptical of the 'daily routines' infographic that was posted earlier this thread.
Is it their stated routine? Their actual routine? If it is there actual routine how was it deduced? How strictly was it adhered to? At what age and period of their life was this routine maintained and for how long?
pretty much this
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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jakobaggerLO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTOREDRegistered Userregular
there are other choices than A) bulldozing all cultural heritage or B ) unbridled urban sprawl
it is possible to grow a city in ways that does not compromise aesthetics, livability etc
for most cities at least
this is a classic bullshit dodge
because it assumes that the cost of "possible ways" is nil
you count the cost in either more sprawl or less heritage
I guess you're using a broader definition of sprawl than me then, something like any expansion of the city at all
which is not how I'd use it but on the other hand I'm not sure I can, at this point, give a more coherent explanation of my definition of sprawl than "the bad kind of expansion which is not the only kind though for real"
so I should probably just go to sleep instead of pseudo-participating in this discussion through agrees and throwaway comments
I am extremely skeptical of the 'daily routines' infographic that was posted earlier this thread.
Is it their stated routine? Their actual routine? If it is there actual routine how was it deduced? How strictly was it adhered to? At what age and period of their life was this routine maintained and for how long?
what infographic?
fuck gendered marketing
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
someone is whining about Obamacare and "100 million murdered by socialism" on a friend's Facebook wall
grease me up, coach
Are they going to offer another extension for signing up since the website has had problems today?
how the fuck would I know
I realize this is a complicated and challenging concept, but not all of us wait with bated breath by the radio for the latest dispatches from Central Command
Did my taxes.... did you know you can't deduct student loan interest at a certain income level? Not the end of the world but kinda BS. Sucks for MDs with 600K in student debt
Yup. It scales off.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
ok, I get it now
it is still a useful metaphor
not really
if you're trying to build a metaphor around the concept of limited resources and how they get reused
it helps if the metaphor is similarly limited
I didn't invoke paintings or canvases, Elldren did
the incongruity is the point
my point was that the resource isn't that limited in most circumstances
I have a feeling that international cities like Vienna and London suffer infrastructurally from the weight of their heritage
they only develop insofar as they can locate areas of urban decay to replace, and these areas must have decayed so badly that there are no hand-wringing artists or frightened ethnic residents to displace
there's no point in painting over the mona lisa
conversely, most paintings are not the mona lisa
and there's very little point in painting over those either
what if you need canvases
well you wouldn't do that still
you need a reasonably fresh surface to paint on to develop the textures and colors you want
a used canvas is not that
(this is an elaborate metaphor for urban redevelopment and gentrification)
i understand
but it doesn't work
you can't possibly be suggesting urban sprawl for the aesthetic value
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
ok, I get it now
it is still a useful metaphor
not really
if you're trying to build a metaphor around the concept of limited resources and how they get reused
it helps if the metaphor is similarly limited
you pointed out that painting over another painting reduces the quality of your work
which is an extremely useful parallel
that literal canvas is not in short supply is why it's a metaphor
Right, but in the metaphor, painting over something is an analog for urban renewal
I don't think urban renewal is a reduced quality of work since it's most likely improving the infrastructure
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Everything is mitts up
not particularly
it is a question of who the middle class identifies with the least
no i'm saying that your metaphor is broken
suggesting the process of urban decay and renewal is comparable to having to repaint over old canvases because there is a canvas shortage doesn't work
because there is not a canvas shortage
see what i'm saying?
predicated on that group not having more money/political influence than the middle class
(which in America amounts to the same thing)
but we don't have to get rid of paintings (masterpieces or otherwise) to make room for the new ones
which is distinctly what the whole process of decay and renewal is about
where does one find fresh urban canvas in Manhattan?
or in San Francisco?
it is possible to grow a city in ways that does not compromise aesthetics, livability etc
for most cities at least
Hence the metaphor being broken.
Counterpoint - Nuh uh
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
you realize when i say there is no canvas shortage
i'm talking about the kind stretched around a wooden frame
right?
To kick the bouquet.
Well for San Francisco just wait for 'the big one' it is supposed to be along soon.
this is a classic bullshit dodge
because it assumes that the cost of "possible ways" is nil
you count the cost in either more sprawl or less heritage
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
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oh I see
someone is whining about Obamacare and "100 million murdered by socialism" on a friend's Facebook wall
grease me up, coach
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Alternatively: to kick the bobcat.
why?
ok, I get it now
it is still a useful metaphor
this thread has really humped the shark
Are they going to offer another extension for signing up since the website has had problems today?
not really
if you're trying to build a metaphor around the concept of limited resources and how they get reused
it helps if the metaphor is similarly limited
Is it their stated routine? Their actual routine? If it is there actual routine how was it deduced? How strictly was it adhered to? At what age and period of their life was this routine maintained and for how long?
http://how-i-met-your-mother.wikia.com/wiki/83
I didn't invoke paintings or canvases, Elldren did
the incongruity is the point
So, meta.
I think they are implausible but these are some of the greatest minds of the human race we're talking about
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
you pointed out that painting over another painting reduces the quality of your work
which is an extremely useful parallel
that literal canvas is not in short supply is why it's a metaphor
pretty much this
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I guess you're using a broader definition of sprawl than me then, something like any expansion of the city at all
which is not how I'd use it but on the other hand I'm not sure I can, at this point, give a more coherent explanation of my definition of sprawl than "the bad kind of expansion which is not the only kind though for real"
so I should probably just go to sleep instead of pseudo-participating in this discussion through agrees and throwaway comments
what infographic?
how the fuck would I know
I realize this is a complicated and challenging concept, but not all of us wait with bated breath by the radio for the latest dispatches from Central Command
Yup. It scales off.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
my point was that the resource isn't that limited in most circumstances
clearly I need to stick to my niche of nonsensical phrases from the New York Times
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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Right, but in the metaphor, painting over something is an analog for urban renewal
I don't think urban renewal is a reduced quality of work since it's most likely improving the infrastructure