I have no idea what the metal gear fandom even looks like
Yeah with all the weird, pervy stuff Kojima puts in his games after MGS made it big, I have no idea if that's to appease his fans or infuriate them. Both seem completely plausible
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I have no idea what any fandom for the things I enjoy is like I prefer to keep it that way.
I have no idea what the metal gear fandom even looks like
Yeah with all the weird, pervy stuff Kojima puts in his games after MGS made it big, I have no idea if that's to appease his fans or infuriate them. Both seem completely plausible
I get the feeling that Kojima makes stuff for Kojima.
That he has fans is just some happy accident that lets him keep being Kojima.
I have no idea what the metal gear fandom even looks like
So far as I can tell it's a much, much more conventional fanart/cosplay/discussion sort of fandom
Like, even on tumblr when I do see Metal Gear stuff (which is fairly often) it's basically just the sort of fanart and videos you'd get in the Metal Gear thread here
As an addendum to that post, and because tumblr seems to be such a common thread to this discussion, here's how I see the difference between the two different sorts of fandom (which are really more binary points with a gradient between them)
On one end, you have fandom as a confederacy of fans of something. These fans act individually, and can be fairly devoted. Therefore, these fans are "fans of x piece of media". This can still reach extremes very easily, but the sort of fans that reach these extremes are very devoted individuals.
On the other end, you have fandom as a near hive mind of fans who act a bit less individually, sharing their fandom's memetic information rapidly. Tumblr's microblogging format proved exceptionally useful for this - tumblr was never meant for such a purpose, but the appropriations worked out spectacularly. People can share ideas relevant to their fandoms instantly, and this can spread just as quickly. In this hive mentality, you also end up with a few niches like fanart blogs, roleplay blogs, and so on, which act as synapses for moving content efficiently.
Some fandoms are mostly exclusive to one end or the other. Some bridge the gap with ease. It's interesting to figure out which.
I'm trying to think of pre-tumblr rapid/memetic type fandoms and as far as I can think of, the really big examples are:
Fushigi Yuugi/Inuyasha/(put shipping-popular anime flavor of the year here) anime fangirls, which is almost certainly the direct ancestor to tumblr fan culture. It was just on Gaia, DeviantArt, and LiveJournal in the 2000s
Sonic fans
The furry fandom (tumblr isn't quite as huge of a fur haven as you'd think because there's still such a huge chunk of them that use FurAffinity)
The occasional other odd forum bubbles where that pattern of closed circle, infinite feedback loop arose on its own, like that weird Russian rescue rangers cult
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I have no idea what the metal gear fandom even looks like
It looks like you.
Fandom isn't the sum total of a group of people who like it. It isn't a specific internet community, it isn't a specific culture, it isn't even a specific type of person. If you like something, the fandom for that thing looks like you and you don't have to answer for what some grobnar on the internet who also likes the same thing does.
Look, there are jerks and assholes and, on the internet especially, perverts who like all sorts of things. That doesn't mean that that thing that they like is defined by what they do. If someone does something stupid, people are going to focus on their interests that make them seem like outsiders. So if someone acts like an asshole it's suddenly about how they're a Homestuck fan and not because they're an asshole. If someone is a pervert the story becomes that they're a Brony and not that they're a pervert. If someone shoots up a school it's because they're a gamer and not because they're mentally unstable. We don't need to wall off liking something because of the actions of someone else who likes something.
It's all the same story repeated over and over again. We don't need to do it to ourselves when we've already got the shitty media doing it for us, and we all agree and recognize that it's shitty already.
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderatormod
I'm trying to think of pre-tumblr rapid/memetic type fandoms and as far as I can think of, the really big examples are:
Fushigi Yuugi/Inuyasha/(put shipping-popular anime flavor of the year here) anime fangirls, which is almost certainly the direct ancestor to tumblr fan culture. It was just on Gaia, DeviantArt, and LiveJournal in the 2000s
Sonic fans
The furry fandom (tumblr isn't quite as huge of a fur haven as you'd think because there's still such a huge chunk of them that use FurAffinity)
The occasional other odd forum bubbles where that pattern of closed circle, infinite feedback loop arose on its own, like that weird Russian rescue rangers cult
Oh man I spent soooo much time on Fushigi Yuugi, though my attempts to take that to the internet only seemed to yield fanfiction and I was never into that. With my friends, we all liked different characters, so there wasn't a lot of hive-squeeing there so much as the narrowing of eyes whenever something supporting the other person's shipping came up. I did go to see Midorikawa at Otakon one year, back in the very early 2000s. Someone asked for a sound bite of him calling Miaka's name, and he did, and I swear a room full of hundreds of girls simultaneously orgasmed with a scream. That includes me.
Six or seven years in the future, I'm talking to my now-husband who was hanging out in some other part of the convention center at the time, and he says "Oh my God, I was at that con. Is THAT what that was?"
The very first shipping I ever did was Picard and Crusher (in the privacy of my own mind), and then Mulder and Scully with friends (and if you tell me you watched that show and didn't want to see them together I'll be pretty sure you're a lying bag of dicks).
Admittedly this was all in my younger years, and more recently I usually just think to myself that a couple people would be good together and then watch the show to see what happens. That is probably the healthier way.
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I'm trying to think of pre-tumblr rapid/memetic type fandoms and as far as I can think of, the really big examples are:
Fushigi Yuugi/Inuyasha/(put shipping-popular anime flavor of the year here) anime fangirls, which is almost certainly the direct ancestor to tumblr fan culture. It was just on Gaia, DeviantArt, and LiveJournal in the 2000s
Sonic fans
The furry fandom (tumblr isn't quite as huge of a fur haven as you'd think because there's still such a huge chunk of them that use FurAffinity)
The occasional other odd forum bubbles where that pattern of closed circle, infinite feedback loop arose on its own, like that weird Russian rescue rangers cult
Harry Potter used to be big. The fandom was probably only big because the movies and books were big, but I'd describe it as one of the biggest fandoms before tumblr.
I don't think tumblr is all that unique, there's always been places weirdo shippers hang out. They might not have been as popular, but they had a bigger impact on the internet than fandoms on tumblr do now.
Yes there is a huge difference between being a fan and being a part of a fandom. But that doesn't mean that the difference is always huge or clear.
Yeah, I mean clearly I am a fan of the penny arcade comic. I find it entertaining. But I don't go around telling everyone about it, dressing up like Gabe, or saying I'm really fruitfucker on the inside.
and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
but they're listening to every word I say
I have no idea what the metal gear fandom even looks like
It looks like you.
Fandom isn't the sum total of a group of people who like it. It isn't a specific internet community, it isn't a specific culture, it isn't even a specific type of person. If you like something, the fandom for that thing looks like you and you don't have to answer for what some grobnar on the internet who also likes the same thing does.
Look, there are jerks and assholes and, on the internet especially, perverts who like all sorts of things. That doesn't mean that that thing that they like is defined by what they do. If someone does something stupid, people are going to focus on their interests that make them seem like outsiders. So if someone acts like an asshole it's suddenly about how they're a Homestuck fan and not because they're an asshole. If someone is a pervert the story becomes that they're a Brony and not that they're a pervert. If someone shoots up a school it's because they're a gamer and not because they're mentally unstable. We don't need to wall off liking something because of the actions of someone else who likes something.
It's all the same story repeated over and over again. We don't need to do it to ourselves when we've already got the shitty media doing it for us, and we all agree and recognize that it's shitty already.
i'm not excluding myself from the metal gear fandom out of any kind of embarrassment or anything like that
i'm excluding myself on the basis that i don't actively contribute to any kind of greater metal gear fan community
i don't seek out other metal gear fans to talk about metal gear, i don't post on any metal gear forums or subreddits
i think you can be a fan of a thing and not inherently a member of that thing's fan community
and that's not something to hold as a point of pride or shame, it's just a neutral description of how you interact with that piece of media
like if you have a daughter and watch my little pony with her and are surprised at how much you like it and regard it as a fun guilty pleasure to have a kid as an excuse to watch it but don't do anything other than just watch the show
Remember when shipping was just a thing your sweet old grandmother would do when you took her out to the supermarket to get groceries?
You should really date that Suzie girl from down the street! She's such a nice little lady.
and I wonder about my neighbors even though I don't have them
but they're listening to every word I say
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ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderatormod
I am so into Adventure Time it's a little ridiculous.
And it seems like all is dying, and would leave the world to mourn
ceresWhen the last moon is cast over the last star of morningAnd the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderatormod
I am so into Adventure Time it's a little ridiculous.
it's so gooooooooood
I see something new every time I watch. It's just an amazingly written show.
the way it's evolved from a goofy little one-off adventure show into this thing it is now, where it's a really funny but super earnest mixture of high fantasy and mythology and puberty is just incredible
I'm trying to think of pre-tumblr rapid/memetic type fandoms and as far as I can think of, the really big examples are:
Fushigi Yuugi/Inuyasha/(put shipping-popular anime flavor of the year here) anime fangirls, which is almost certainly the direct ancestor to tumblr fan culture. It was just on Gaia, DeviantArt, and LiveJournal in the 2000s
Sonic fans
The furry fandom (tumblr isn't quite as huge of a fur haven as you'd think because there's still such a huge chunk of them that use FurAffinity)
The occasional other odd forum bubbles where that pattern of closed circle, infinite feedback loop arose on its own, like that weird Russian rescue rangers cult
Harry Potter used to be big. The fandom was probably only big because the movies and books were big, but I'd describe it as one of the biggest fandoms before tumblr.
I don't think tumblr is all that unique, there's always been places weirdo shippers hang out. They might not have been as popular, but they had a bigger impact on the internet than fandoms on tumblr do now.
I'm trying to think of pre-tumblr rapid/memetic type fandoms and as far as I can think of, the really big examples are:
Fushigi Yuugi/Inuyasha/(put shipping-popular anime flavor of the year here) anime fangirls, which is almost certainly the direct ancestor to tumblr fan culture. It was just on Gaia, DeviantArt, and LiveJournal in the 2000s
Sonic fans
The furry fandom (tumblr isn't quite as huge of a fur haven as you'd think because there's still such a huge chunk of them that use FurAffinity)
The occasional other odd forum bubbles where that pattern of closed circle, infinite feedback loop arose on its own, like that weird Russian rescue rangers cult
Harry Potter used to be big. The fandom was probably only big because the movies and books were big, but I'd describe it as one of the biggest fandoms before tumblr.
I don't think tumblr is all that unique, there's always been places weirdo shippers hang out. They might not have been as popular, but they had a bigger impact on the internet than fandoms on tumblr do now.
So I'm not joking when I say that there was this thing called Fandomstuck (one of a gajillion bizarre Homestuck AU experiments people cooked up) for a few months, that a few of my friends got pretty into, where people made anthropomorphized characters whose behaviors were approximations of various tumblr fandoms' tendencies
It was kinda bizarre, as well as full of shitty art to a proportion awful by even Homestuck standards (I have about 2.5 gigs of Homestuck art saved and not a single picture from fandomstuck was worthy of right-clicking, where a few other AUs started as fanart projects and so actually have kinda cool shit going on in that department), and I never paid much attention to it. Wasn't as fucked up as, say, Onceler, but it was kinda funny simply for its status as a completely unironic metafandom
Homestuck is an interesting behemoth of a fandom and if I were any sort of formally educated cultural anthropologist I could write a gat damn thesis on it
oh damn I remember this
Only example I can remember was the MLP fandom being represented by a preteen girl as the target audience, and her goon older brother as the brony fandom
the depictions of their interactions was... troubling
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I have no idea what the metal gear fandom even looks like
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I think Metal Gear lends itself better to lone conspiracy theorist nutjobs than any kind of cohesive, large fan group.
Which is why you are on the list.
Yeah with all the weird, pervy stuff Kojima puts in his games after MGS made it big, I have no idea if that's to appease his fans or infuriate them. Both seem completely plausible
well of course you don't
they're very good at remaining undetected
I get the feeling that Kojima makes stuff for Kojima.
That he has fans is just some happy accident that lets him keep being Kojima.
So far as I can tell it's a much, much more conventional fanart/cosplay/discussion sort of fandom
Like, even on tumblr when I do see Metal Gear stuff (which is fairly often) it's basically just the sort of fanart and videos you'd get in the Metal Gear thread here
the MGS fandom... is you!!!
On one end, you have fandom as a confederacy of fans of something. These fans act individually, and can be fairly devoted. Therefore, these fans are "fans of x piece of media". This can still reach extremes very easily, but the sort of fans that reach these extremes are very devoted individuals.
On the other end, you have fandom as a near hive mind of fans who act a bit less individually, sharing their fandom's memetic information rapidly. Tumblr's microblogging format proved exceptionally useful for this - tumblr was never meant for such a purpose, but the appropriations worked out spectacularly. People can share ideas relevant to their fandoms instantly, and this can spread just as quickly. In this hive mentality, you also end up with a few niches like fanart blogs, roleplay blogs, and so on, which act as synapses for moving content efficiently.
Some fandoms are mostly exclusive to one end or the other. Some bridge the gap with ease. It's interesting to figure out which.
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Fushigi Yuugi/Inuyasha/(put shipping-popular anime flavor of the year here) anime fangirls, which is almost certainly the direct ancestor to tumblr fan culture. It was just on Gaia, DeviantArt, and LiveJournal in the 2000s
Sonic fans
The furry fandom (tumblr isn't quite as huge of a fur haven as you'd think because there's still such a huge chunk of them that use FurAffinity)
The occasional other odd forum bubbles where that pattern of closed circle, infinite feedback loop arose on its own, like that weird Russian rescue rangers cult
It looks like you.
Fandom isn't the sum total of a group of people who like it. It isn't a specific internet community, it isn't a specific culture, it isn't even a specific type of person. If you like something, the fandom for that thing looks like you and you don't have to answer for what some grobnar on the internet who also likes the same thing does.
Look, there are jerks and assholes and, on the internet especially, perverts who like all sorts of things. That doesn't mean that that thing that they like is defined by what they do. If someone does something stupid, people are going to focus on their interests that make them seem like outsiders. So if someone acts like an asshole it's suddenly about how they're a Homestuck fan and not because they're an asshole. If someone is a pervert the story becomes that they're a Brony and not that they're a pervert. If someone shoots up a school it's because they're a gamer and not because they're mentally unstable. We don't need to wall off liking something because of the actions of someone else who likes something.
It's all the same story repeated over and over again. We don't need to do it to ourselves when we've already got the shitty media doing it for us, and we all agree and recognize that it's shitty already.
Oh man I spent soooo much time on Fushigi Yuugi, though my attempts to take that to the internet only seemed to yield fanfiction and I was never into that. With my friends, we all liked different characters, so there wasn't a lot of hive-squeeing there so much as the narrowing of eyes whenever something supporting the other person's shipping came up. I did go to see Midorikawa at Otakon one year, back in the very early 2000s. Someone asked for a sound bite of him calling Miaka's name, and he did, and I swear a room full of hundreds of girls simultaneously orgasmed with a scream. That includes me.
Six or seven years in the future, I'm talking to my now-husband who was hanging out in some other part of the convention center at the time, and he says "Oh my God, I was at that con. Is THAT what that was?"
The very first shipping I ever did was Picard and Crusher (in the privacy of my own mind), and then Mulder and Scully with friends (and if you tell me you watched that show and didn't want to see them together I'll be pretty sure you're a lying bag of dicks).
Admittedly this was all in my younger years, and more recently I usually just think to myself that a couple people would be good together and then watch the show to see what happens. That is probably the healthier way.
Harry Potter used to be big. The fandom was probably only big because the movies and books were big, but I'd describe it as one of the biggest fandoms before tumblr.
I don't think tumblr is all that unique, there's always been places weirdo shippers hang out. They might not have been as popular, but they had a bigger impact on the internet than fandoms on tumblr do now.
Yeah, I mean clearly I am a fan of the penny arcade comic. I find it entertaining. But I don't go around telling everyone about it, dressing up like Gabe, or saying I'm really fruitfucker on the inside.
but they're listening to every word I say
i'm not excluding myself from the metal gear fandom out of any kind of embarrassment or anything like that
i'm excluding myself on the basis that i don't actively contribute to any kind of greater metal gear fan community
i don't seek out other metal gear fans to talk about metal gear, i don't post on any metal gear forums or subreddits
i think you can be a fan of a thing and not inherently a member of that thing's fan community
and that's not something to hold as a point of pride or shame, it's just a neutral description of how you interact with that piece of media
http://www.audioentropy.com/
i'd be hard pressed to call you a brony
http://www.audioentropy.com/
God knows we have a threads dedicated to Korra, Gravity Falls, Steven Universe...which are all kid's shows. Just don't make it weird.
You should really date that Suzie girl from down the street! She's such a nice little lady.
but they're listening to every word I say
it's so gooooooooood
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I see something new every time I watch. It's just an amazingly written show.
the way it's evolved from a goofy little one-off adventure show into this thing it is now, where it's a really funny but super earnest mixture of high fantasy and mythology and puberty is just incredible
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Kirk/Spock is the beginning of all this
"Am I the only one who hates freedom"
and I was like
Whoa that is deep.
Man like Adam/eve is the beginning of all this
http://www.audioentropy.com/
oh damn I remember this
Only example I can remember was the MLP fandom being represented by a preteen girl as the target audience, and her goon older brother as the brony fandom
the depictions of their interactions was... troubling
In this case the fandom couldn't possibly be more foul than the subject of the fandom itself.
if there's one fandom that needs to slow its roll
it's the american freedom fandom
WEIRD BABY MAN
BEFORE THERE WAS ANYTHING, THERE WAS NOTHING
AND BEFORE THERE WAS NOTHING
THERE WAS MONSTERS
http://www.audioentropy.com/