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I think my absolute fave from Mercedes Lackey wasn't even in any of her series. "Sacred Ground", the main protagonist is a native American woman police officer, and a very strong character.
And I don't know how much of the 'no white men' thing covers, but I'm also partial to the husband & wife team of Kathleen and Michael Gear. They write the "People of the..." series. it's a series only in that it's all the same title and a lot of overarching themes in the books, but they're based in pre-colombian north america and have heavy archeological evidence behind them. Also one of my favourites. "People of the Wolf" is the first of the books.
It's been a long time since I read Elizabeth Moon, but I remember enjoying The Deed of Paksenarrion.
There's also Marion Zimmer Bradley. Her Mists of Avalon was a gold standard feminist fantasy novel for a generation, and her Sword and Sorceress anthologies gave a lot of women (and some men) a foot in the door in the writing industry. Mercedes Lackey was one of her big finds IIRC, and the Sword and Sorceress anthologies themselves have a number of gems in them.
Word of caution though: Bradley has been posthomously accused of being a seriel child molester. So there's also that to be aware of.
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turns out one of my favorite teachers is a grammargagger
I suppose his regular sharing of milo yianoppoulos bullshit on facebook shoulda tipped me off
Katherine Kerr's Westlands Cycle is a fairly long but satisfying series of Celtic fantasy with a whole slew of excellent lady characters, most of which are constantly bemused by and shown to be far cleverer than their male counterparts.
And he's another white dude but Guy Gavriel Kay's historical fantasy works all contain exceptionally well written, powerful women characters. Most of them are very carefully researched, too, and he's brilliant at showing how important and capable women were regardless of what sort of historical context the novel is set in.
I cannot imagine making only $13k. The fact that you have to be doing that poorly to be considered approaching poverty is a god damned joke.
It's sustainable if you're single, but all it takes is one disaster to absolutely ruin you.
Just look up John Cheese's thing on being poor. It's a Cracked article, but it explains pretty well why society is basically designed to keep people poor.
Yeah the cost of living and average income is different here in Australia to the US, so to me 13K for an actual full-time job feels so insanely low I don't know how people could use that much to sustain themselves- let alone any more than just one person.
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Yeah the cost of living and average income is different here in Australia to the US, so to me 13K for an actual full-time job feels so insanely low I don't know how people could use that much to sustain themselves- let alone any more than just one person.
It's still very low. I pay about that much in rent a year and I live in one of the more affordable regions in the country.
Mary Doria Russell's The Sparrow is one of the most thought provoking works of sci fi I've ever read.
My mother's boss gave me a copy. The idea of a Catholic Church sponsoring space flight tickled my fancy, but the return trip, the thought of......man that book was a trip. Counting down to the final bit. Its kind of why I can't stand Zombie movies.
I read all that stuff people were posting about Garnet and the like. This is letting them know that they can take any path they want and that they will be loved and supported. Although it does bother me when adults try to extra gender and sexuality from a child's behavior when much of it is impulse control. There was once a talk show talking about a gay 5 year old and my brain shut down.
But back to books. There was one I read as a child about a girl with two brothers, all three had psychic powers and they lived in the South. I don't remember the name, but I'm suspicious of my memories about them being black. Does it ring a bell?
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Nuka & I both have the same pay rate but my position has more raise opportunities and flexibility. She did just sort of move up a position though, and will have more opportunity for pay rise in time.
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UK poverty line differs a lot to US because we have a minimum wage standard across the country, which if it was in the US would make the minimum wage be around $17/18k dollars for you guys. As in, I converted £12k to dollars, BUT that is before tax. When it was £11k a year for me a few years ago (before the min wage rise a year ago) for me tax took me down to £10k a year which is $14k dollars which is nearer to the US poverty line. So today I guess you'd be on £11k after tax which is take home of $16k a year.
But then it gets all complex because we don't have to pay for insurance for health and so on and so on.
I've been taking a break from this thread because I wanted to sort out my feelings about the whole "no white male authors for a year" thing. Because I'd read some stuff online about it, and come away feeling incredibly uncomfortable about the whole thing, and not understood why. I'm all for sampling literature from a wide variety of authors of different backgrounds. Almost all my favorite books were written by women. So why did I feel so weird about people making this pledge?
And tonight, I finally figured it out. It's two separate things:
First-
When people extol the virtues of female authors and authors of color, it feels alarmingly similar to the way people talk about stuff produced by people with disabilities. Like the fact that the person had a disability makes their work better than if they hadn't had the disability. Or even worse, that their disability added some special magical quality to the work and that's what makes the work good. It's nearly patronizing, and almost like a gross form of pity. I dunno. It's hard to describe. I've had my own accomplishments elevated purely because I've got a learning disability, and it's always made me feel incredibly icky, and kind of dirty, even.
Second-
Disabilities got left out, as usual. There's only a passing suggestion to try reading stuff by disable people on the original article. It's an after-thought. Disability doesn't get to be part of the headline, and isn't mentioned on the articles spawned from the main one. This happens a lot, and it's frustrating to get left in the dirt, again.
So yeah, now my feelings are sorted out. Overall, the movement has it's heart in the right place, but like pretty much everything else, there's room for improvement. And (as is usually the case) nobody here was doing either of the things that have been making me uncomfortable, which was great to see!
EDIT: (And once again, I spent so much time editing this I'm way off topic. Sorry guys! Poverty is bad, and that boss-guy sounds like a total asshole.)
It's also about demonstrating to the publishing industry that, yes, people will buy non-WM produced writing, it is profitable to publish them, no youre not "taking a risk" by giving them bestseller publicity.
I've been taking a break from this thread because I wanted to sort out my feelings about the whole "no white male authors for a year" thing. Because I'd read some stuff online about it, and come away feeling incredibly uncomfortable about the whole thing, and not understood why. I'm all for sampling literature from a wide variety of authors of different backgrounds. Almost all my favorite books were written by women. So why did I feel so weird about people making this pledge?
And tonight, I finally figured it out. It's two separate things:
First-
When people extol the virtues of female authors and authors of color, it feels alarmingly similar to the way people talk about stuff produced by people with disabilities. Like the fact that the person had a disability makes their work better than if they hadn't had the disability. Or even worse, that their disability added some special magical quality to the work and that's what makes the work good. It's nearly patronizing, and almost like a gross form of pity. I dunno. It's hard to describe. I've had my own accomplishments elevated purely because I've got a learning disability, and it's always made me feel incredibly icky, and kind of dirty, even.
Second-
Disabilities got left out, as usual. There's only a passing suggestion to try reading stuff by disable people on the original article. It's an after-thought. Disability doesn't get to be part of the headline, and isn't mentioned on the articles spawned from the main one. This happens a lot, and it's frustrating to get left in the dirt, again.
So yeah, now my feelings are sorted out. Overall, the movement has it's heart in the right place, but like pretty much everything else, there's room for improvement. And (as is usually the case) nobody here was doing either of the things that have been making me uncomfortable, which was great to see!
EDIT: (And once again, I spent so much time editing this I'm way off topic. Sorry guys! Poverty is bad, and that boss-guy sounds like a total asshole.)
Perfectly valid concerns, but I don't think it's about reading these authors out of pity or anything like it, it's just making a serious effort to branch out and support a group of authors that might otherwise be left unknown. Think of it more like going vegetarian for a month, it's more about you than it is about the vegetables, it's making a personal choice to branch out and try something new and challenging.
"The study found that 80 percent of events for girls at the 40 schools were dances. Otherwise events for girls were along the lines of pajama parties, yoga nights or crafts.
Activities for boys, however, included magic or science shows, trips to sports events or trampoline parks, or such pursuits as laser tag, arcade games or bowling.
"Even as they attempt to educate girls in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields, Rhode Island’s schools, however unintentionally, support the sort of stereotyping that helped discourage girls from those fields for so long," the report said."
"Girls Just Wanna Darn Socks - Rhode Island Public School Support of Gender Stereotyping"
A report the ACLU just mailed to the Rhode Island Department of Education.
Someone mentioned Anne McCaffrey and it reminds me of one of her books that skeeved me out so much I had to just... stop reading it. And I almsot never just stop reading a book.
It's in the Freedom series, about some humans that set up basicly Space-Austrailia. The main character is a woman. She is fit and strong and capable. It was a little skeevy when she was told she should get pregnant because its the duty of all the women to have babies for their new homeworld, but she tells them no so I can let that one slide.
And in one of the later books, the third I think, she is raped. And the story glosses it over. Bascailly the character breaks an arm, and they have no pain meds, so it's hooch or nothing. So she's sipping hooch. And one of the guys gives her more hooch. And she gets drunk. And then he date rapes her. She's so drunk she's not ever really aware of what's going on, the whole 'sex' scene written out and describes her entire state of mind through the whole thing and then...
Nothing. The main character isn't even mad. Not disgusted. Just accepts it as she had sex. And I just... I had read the entire series when I was younger and it didn't even phase me. I read that part and accepted it as NORMAL. But I read it again as an adult and seeing how casually all the characters treat the rape as a positive thing (because the main character gets pregnant from it you see) just makes me hate Anne McCaffrey a little.
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And I don't know how much of the 'no white men' thing covers, but I'm also partial to the husband & wife team of Kathleen and Michael Gear. They write the "People of the..." series. it's a series only in that it's all the same title and a lot of overarching themes in the books, but they're based in pre-colombian north america and have heavy archeological evidence behind them. Also one of my favourites. "People of the Wolf" is the first of the books.
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It's been a long time since I read Elizabeth Moon, but I remember enjoying The Deed of Paksenarrion.
There's also Marion Zimmer Bradley. Her Mists of Avalon was a gold standard feminist fantasy novel for a generation, and her Sword and Sorceress anthologies gave a lot of women (and some men) a foot in the door in the writing industry. Mercedes Lackey was one of her big finds IIRC, and the Sword and Sorceress anthologies themselves have a number of gems in them.
Word of caution though: Bradley has been posthomously accused of being a seriel child molester. So there's also that to be aware of.
I suppose his regular sharing of milo yianoppoulos bullshit on facebook shoulda tipped me off
And he's another white dude but Guy Gavriel Kay's historical fantasy works all contain exceptionally well written, powerful women characters. Most of them are very carefully researched, too, and he's brilliant at showing how important and capable women were regardless of what sort of historical context the novel is set in.
the poverty line is what $13,000 a year for a single person?
making a difference does not pay well
Oh then I guess we're not too bad off
Especially cuz the cost of living down here is pretty dang cheap
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...I'm still below it
but at least I now know why I can't hold most jobs weeeeeeeee
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Just look up John Cheese's thing on being poor. It's a Cracked article, but it explains pretty well why society is basically designed to keep people poor.
Cost of living makes that value significantly different, depending on your area.
edit: not that I think it's an okay number or anything :O
case in point: when @Sheri got her tattoo today, it took all my willpower not to take a couple hundred out of the ATM and be all 'me too!'
It's still very low. I pay about that much in rent a year and I live in one of the more affordable regions in the country.
My mother's boss gave me a copy. The idea of a Catholic Church sponsoring space flight tickled my fancy, but the return trip, the thought of......man that book was a trip. Counting down to the final bit. Its kind of why I can't stand Zombie movies.
I read all that stuff people were posting about Garnet and the like. This is letting them know that they can take any path they want and that they will be loved and supported. Although it does bother me when adults try to extra gender and sexuality from a child's behavior when much of it is impulse control. There was once a talk show talking about a gay 5 year old and my brain shut down.
But back to books. There was one I read as a child about a girl with two brothers, all three had psychic powers and they lived in the South. I don't remember the name, but I'm suspicious of my memories about them being black. Does it ring a bell?
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
How did you know it was Saga!
About to start crying as I think of my father....
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
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Paul Feig Decries Lack Of Opportunity For Female Directors In Hollywood
"I have guilt that I'm a man doing these movies."
It's roughly 4 to 5k more than I make as a disabled citizen on welfare.
So yeah. Nutso.
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Anyanka used to be a vengeance demon, yeah, but I can totes deal with that.
I feel like I need to shower after reading that letter, holy creepsauce
This sounds like a really bad anime.
So yeah that was pretty creepio
Every moment is pain?
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But then it gets all complex because we don't have to pay for insurance for health and so on and so on.
After he gave the setting and was getting into the story, I was all....
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
And tonight, I finally figured it out. It's two separate things:
First-
When people extol the virtues of female authors and authors of color, it feels alarmingly similar to the way people talk about stuff produced by people with disabilities. Like the fact that the person had a disability makes their work better than if they hadn't had the disability. Or even worse, that their disability added some special magical quality to the work and that's what makes the work good. It's nearly patronizing, and almost like a gross form of pity. I dunno. It's hard to describe. I've had my own accomplishments elevated purely because I've got a learning disability, and it's always made me feel incredibly icky, and kind of dirty, even.
Second-
Disabilities got left out, as usual. There's only a passing suggestion to try reading stuff by disable people on the original article. It's an after-thought. Disability doesn't get to be part of the headline, and isn't mentioned on the articles spawned from the main one. This happens a lot, and it's frustrating to get left in the dirt, again.
So yeah, now my feelings are sorted out. Overall, the movement has it's heart in the right place, but like pretty much everything else, there's room for improvement. And (as is usually the case) nobody here was doing either of the things that have been making me uncomfortable, which was great to see!
EDIT: (And once again, I spent so much time editing this I'm way off topic. Sorry guys! Poverty is bad, and that boss-guy sounds like a total asshole.)
It's a matter of exposing yourself to work you wouldn't read unless you went out of your way to read it
Which is important, because if you don't, those authors may not continue to make more work
Which would be Very Bad.
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Perfectly valid concerns, but I don't think it's about reading these authors out of pity or anything like it, it's just making a serious effort to branch out and support a group of authors that might otherwise be left unknown. Think of it more like going vegetarian for a month, it's more about you than it is about the vegetables, it's making a personal choice to branch out and try something new and challenging.
there's plenty of amazing minority writers who don't get talked about
focusing on their work means reading perspectives different than the "norm" (AKA white cishet as hell)
and understanding how much of a crime it is that excellent authors are buried by our culture's regular horseshit
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I'm sure it doesn't hold up but i re-read this massage scene like 100 times
Activities for boys, however, included magic or science shows, trips to sports events or trampoline parks, or such pursuits as laser tag, arcade games or bowling.
"Even as they attempt to educate girls in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields, Rhode Island’s schools, however unintentionally, support the sort of stereotyping that helped discourage girls from those fields for so long," the report said."
"Girls Just Wanna Darn Socks - Rhode Island Public School Support of Gender Stereotyping"
A report the ACLU just mailed to the Rhode Island Department of Education.
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150311/NEWS/150319868/1997/NEWS
http://riaclu.org/images/uploads/ACLU_Title_IX_Final_Report_031015.pdf
It's in the Freedom series, about some humans that set up basicly Space-Austrailia. The main character is a woman. She is fit and strong and capable. It was a little skeevy when she was told she should get pregnant because its the duty of all the women to have babies for their new homeworld, but she tells them no so I can let that one slide.
And in one of the later books, the third I think, she is raped. And the story glosses it over. Bascailly the character breaks an arm, and they have no pain meds, so it's hooch or nothing. So she's sipping hooch. And one of the guys gives her more hooch. And she gets drunk. And then he date rapes her. She's so drunk she's not ever really aware of what's going on, the whole 'sex' scene written out and describes her entire state of mind through the whole thing and then...
Nothing. The main character isn't even mad. Not disgusted. Just accepts it as she had sex. And I just... I had read the entire series when I was younger and it didn't even phase me. I read that part and accepted it as NORMAL. But I read it again as an adult and seeing how casually all the characters treat the rape as a positive thing (because the main character gets pregnant from it you see) just makes me hate Anne McCaffrey a little.