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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    what's bad about those squares?

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    ludious popped up on bnet and it's like seeing someone return from the dead

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
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    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    "it's good / bad x" is a completely different argument than "it is / isn't x", and conflating the two is baffling

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
    QCUUZ5Zl.jpg
    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    Yes. And people who do this are operating on the dumbest logical fallacy ever.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    And then in the comments there's the inevitable "oh so if I take a shit that's art then, got it" dbag response, completely ignoring the actual arguments proposed about what art is

    lol at these people

    who cares if people don't care about art

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    It's pretty weird when people feel the need to enforce their personal sense of taste instead of just acknowledging that they dislike something and stopping there.

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    Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
    QCUUZ5Zl.jpg
    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    while you're technically right, i'm more inclined to agree with the person saying those squares aren't art

    in the end the message they're trying to communicate is that it is mattering less than two shits between biscuit

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
    QCUUZ5Zl.jpg
    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    well, yeah

    because to a lot of people shit art isn't art

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    Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    It's pretty weird when people feel the need to enforce their personal sense of taste instead of just acknowledging that they dislike something and stopping there.

    how dare you

    *dropkicks an anime*

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

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    Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
    Choco developing for that hot new console, Game Boy

    gameboy color, man!

    now with 4 colors

    how dare you insult my artistic vision

    my games belong only on the original brick game boy

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    Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    god help you if you boot my game up on a game boy colour and use one of the the key combinations that tints the whole thing a different hue

    god

    help

    you

    Rear Admiral Choco on
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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    the only real art is old paintings of jesus and rich people

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
    QCUUZ5Zl.jpg
    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    Yes. And people who do this are operating on the dumbest logical fallacy ever.

    You said this last time. And then your argument for it was in itself a logical fallacy.

    I thought that droll.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I just consider it a short word for artifice/artifact in that it's something intentionally made by a sapient being. Anything more specific gets annoying fast.

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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    little dog
    crossing street
    motor car
    sausage meat
    by Vanguard

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    what's your definition of a poem?

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    or less rigorously, what things are clearly not poems and what things are

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    what's your definition of a poem?

    ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    I would rather suck off a shotgun than argue with reddit about what 'art' means

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    Look you can call it a poem if you want but unless it rhymes I won't believe you.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    I would appreciate that off-kilter square as a desktop wallpaper, or as a painting hanging in a middle-management office; but there it stops, I think.

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2015
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    what's your definition of a poem?

    My definition of a poem is that someone has called it such. My definition of poetry is "the art of language". Calling something a poem tells me there is something interesting or noteworthy happening with language, or at least someone else thinks so.

    Vanguard on
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    simonwolfsimonwolf i can feel a difference today, a differenceRegistered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    I would rather suck off a shotgun than argue with reddit about what 'art' means

    Does shotgun mean something specific in gay culture, or

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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    Simon is a savant

    Bless your heart.
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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    I would appreciate that off-kilter square as a desktop wallpaper, or as a painting hanging in a middle-management office; but there it stops, I think.

    the color choice makes it just the right kind of soul-sucking dull that middle management is the perfect place for it

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    Rear Admiral ChocoRear Admiral Choco I wanna be an owl, Jerry! Owl York CityRegistered User regular
    if your poem ain't made up of rhyming couplets don't even talk 2 me...

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    MrMister wrote: »
    I would rather suck off a shotgun than argue with reddit about what 'art' means

    The heart of the matter: Reddit is worst

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
    QCUUZ5Zl.jpg
    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    Yes. And people who do this are operating on the dumbest logical fallacy ever.

    You said this last time. And then your argument for it was in itself a logical fallacy.

    I thought that droll.

    What was fallacious about it exactly?

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    MrMister wrote: »
    I would rather suck off a shotgun than argue with reddit about what 'art' means

    It's not art unless it depicts the plight of the friend-zoned straight white male atheist libertarian and I can buy it with bitcoins.

    evilbob on
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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    what's your definition of a poem?

    My definition of a poem is that someone has called it such. My definition of poetry is "the art of language". Calling something a poem tells me there is something interesting or noteworthy happening with language.

    Fair definition.

    But like, why is it less stupid than any other definition

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    Eddy wrote: »
    people on r/mildlyinfuriating posting art that is intentionally off-kilter

    I appreciate the meta-ness of it all - being mildly piqued that nerds don't understand art
    QCUUZ5Zl.jpg
    Sorry Eddy, but this is dumb.

    I don't care if it's bad art, or stupid, or dumb, or whatever

    Saying "artwork" in skeptical terms illustrates how stupid the person who submitted it is

    it's a way of saying "this is shit art". Come on.

    No, it's denying its arthood entirely; using the word derisively in quotes to imply that it is in fact not

    These are very different implications

    Yes. And people who do this are operating on the dumbest logical fallacy ever.

    You said this last time. And then your argument for it was in itself a logical fallacy.

    I thought that droll.

    What was fallacious about it exactly?

    I do not recall the argument only that it immediately struck me as such.

    Then I said something derisive about blue poles.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    P10 wrote: »
    i don't consider art a meaningful word

    people just use it to mean "i like this" or perhaps "i see merit in this"

    I think it's useful, or rather, calling someone one of the many subdivisions of art is useful. Saying "this is a poem" forces people to evaluate it as such. That people express their dislike by denying its poemhood is dumb.

    what's your definition of a poem?

    My definition of a poem is that someone has called it such. My definition of poetry is "the art of language". Calling something a poem tells me there is something interesting or noteworthy happening with language.

    Fair definition.

    But like, why is it less stupid than any other definition

    Why is any word's definition more or less stupid than another?

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    It's a color choice that allows it to fade into the background, which is ideal for office ambience but not for framed and lit presentation, I daresay.

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    AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Having spent incredibly little brain power thinking about the definition of a poem I will go with a slightly abbreviated version of wikipedia's definition until such a time that I forget about it or find another one I like more

    Poetry is a form of literature that uses qualities of language to evoke meanings in addition to, or in place of, the prosaic ostensible meaning

    which works for me. I don't see any good argument for calling all language a poem. Pointless word, then.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Eh, plenty of stuff acknowledged as poems are all about sound rather than deeper meaning.

    So.

    Wikifail.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    Finally submitted this paper to a journal

    should have done it a couple weeks ago, but it's perversely hard to motivate (why not a few more days...?) when turnaround times are absolute minimum 3 months. What's a few days on top of three months?

    Boo state of the field.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Come on guys, words don't have meaning anymore we are a post-vocabulary society.

    If you really had something to say you'd say it with emojisms.

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