All I'm hearing is a bunch of nerds annoyed that their favorite character got nerfed.
munkus does not understand plot armor and is really fucking mad about it
Nah, this isn't him just ranting.
Lucas actually stated he didn' want Grevious as that much of a threat and that the Clone Wars animated series went counter to his "vision" at the time for him.
That's why he's portrayed as a sad sack and hacking and has the silly spinny sabers and get's killed with a gun, instead of being a Cybernetic alien badass who collects lightsabers from Jedi.
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he gets clowned in the movies by obi-wan, who is one of the most powerful swordsman in the galaxy
in the cgi he kills multiple jedi, but he is not force attuned, so stronger jedi kick the shit out of him
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the explanation for the hacking is dumb as hell though
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the spinny sabers are super cool though
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If I had rotating wrists that could spin freely, I'd be doing that shit all the time.
For Flashpoints, we have made quite a few changes to give you more options on what to play, and how to play them. For starters, all of the Flashpoints which are important to the core story have had a Solo Mode added, similar to what we did for the Forged Alliances Flashpoints. Also, those Solo Modes are repeatable, so you can play through them again if you want! These Solo Mode Flashpoints use a new level sync system that lowers your character’s level and power to the level of the Flashpoint, ensuring that you’re experiencing the content at the difficulty level intended - you never have to skip story content because you’re over-leveled for it!
Next, most of our Story Mode Flashpoints have been converted to Tactical, meaning you can play them at any level between 10 and 65! These Flashpoints also bolster your character, so you never have to worry about being under-geared or under-leveled, and can play with friends of varying levels. As an added bonus, each player can also receive loot specific to their Class and their non-bolstered level, so running these Flashpoints is always beneficial.
Hard Mode Flashpoints are getting love as well! All Hard Mode Flashpoints, including the Red Reaper for the first time, will be available starting at Level 50 up to Level 65. There will be a small Bolster to allow different level ranges to play together, but you’ll need to bring a balanced group with a Tank and Healer just as with Hard Mode Flashpoints currently. Just like the new Tactical Flashpoints, each player can get their own individual loot suited for their class from entirely new sets of gear. This will provide the perfect jumping off point for getting you ready to tackle Operations!
KotFE Solo/Tactical/Hard FP Lists:
Solo Mode Flashpoints
These Flashpoints are repeatable, and made to be played solo or with a Companion. Your character will be adjusted down to the appropriate level so that you are experiencing the Flashpoint at the level and difficulty that is intended.
Black Talon
Esseles
Boarding Party
Taral V
The Foundry
Maelstrom Prison
Battle of Ilum
The False Emperor
Assault on Tython
Korriban Incursion
Manaan Research Facility
Legacy of the Rakata
Blood Hunt
Battle of Rishi
Tactical Flashpoints
These 4-Player Flashpoints are available from level 10-65. Your character will be Bolstered so that friends of any level can play together!
Hammer Station
Athiss
Mandalorian Raiders
Cademimu
Red Reaper
Kuat Drive Yards
Czerka Labs
Czerka Core Meltdown
Korriban Incursion
Assault on Tython
Depths of Manaan
Legacy of the Rakata
Blood Hunt
Battle of Rishi
Hard Mode Flashpoints
These Level 65 Flashpoints are designed to present more of a challenge to players. They provide a small Bolster, but still require a full 4-Player group, including a Tank and a Healer.
How the hell can a fictional cartoon be "propaganda"
LUCAS
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Because George Lucas wanted a general to be a Jedi-killer, but then also wanted him to be weak beacuse mechanical > organic because of The Force so you have to make him cough to show he's partially organic and wow Lucas is really bad at exploring ideas once he has them
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind usually goes to Darth Skotia from the Sith Inquisitor story in SWTOR. A guy so tough you'd get creamed if you didn't use a special device to weaken his cyborg-parts when the fight starts. And almost no one believes later you actually killed him.
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind goes to Darth Vader.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
2:50, he refers to the fight between Obi-Wan and Vader as "a fight between a very old man and a man was only partially a man, a mechanical man, so it wasn't much of a fight"
13:20 he talks about the prequels he says portraying the Jedi "in full flower" and "with full training" the fights had to be more "aggressive" and "ferocious," which again implies all the fights in the OT films are not between people in their prime.
The takeaway from this, of course, is that George Lucas loves to destroy that which we love in order to try and portray his new ideas as better.
I really need to get to the comic shop soon and pick up the new start wars books. if they still have copies.
I have a hunger for star wars again.
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The first two series should have trades out by now.
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Does Christopher Lee not count as a very old man in Lucas' eyes? Or Yoda?
EDIT: Hell, or Sidious for that matter.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
How the hell can a fictional cartoon be "propaganda"
LUCAS
See, I'm actually gonna kinda defend Lucas' reasoning here.
The idea of a cartoon series representing the stories people tell each other about major events in the war--and how those stories grow grander in the telling--is a really cool concept to me. It's also a pretty clever way to prevent power creep if you want to keep the power of Force users low.
My problem is not with the explanation, but rather with the execution of the trilogy afterwards. If you're gonna say, "No, Mace Windu isn't that crazy powerful, because those are just tall tales," then you gotta commit to keeping that same power creep out of the "real" universe. While Mace Windu's exploits in the animated series might be more ridiculous than anything he did in the Phantom Menace trilogy, the power level of the Jedi--on average--is a hell of a lot closer to the animated series than it is to the New Hope trilogy (where the most impressive feats Force users perform are slowly lifting an X-Wing out of a swamp and electrocuting a dude to death).
So, as cool as the explanation is, it does end up feeling kinda forced.
Because George Lucas wanted a general to be a Jedi-killer, but then also wanted him to be weak beacuse mechanical > organic because of The Force so you have to make him cough to show he's partially organic and wow Lucas is really bad at exploring ideas once he has them
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind usually goes to Darth Skotia from the Sith Inquisitor story in SWTOR. A guy so tough you'd get creamed if you didn't use a special device to weaken his cyborg-parts when the fight starts. And almost no one believes later you actually killed him.
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind goes to Darth Vader.
I've never really thought of Vader as a cyborg. Vader's Vader, a kickass threat in his own league.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Because George Lucas wanted a general to be a Jedi-killer, but then also wanted him to be weak beacuse mechanical > organic because of The Force so you have to make him cough to show he's partially organic and wow Lucas is really bad at exploring ideas once he has them
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind usually goes to Darth Skotia from the Sith Inquisitor story in SWTOR. A guy so tough you'd get creamed if you didn't use a special device to weaken his cyborg-parts when the fight starts. And almost no one believes later you actually killed him.
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind goes to Darth Vader.
I've never really thought of Vader as a cyborg. Vader's Vader, a kickass threat in his own league.
I mean, he is literally a cyborg.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
How the hell can a fictional cartoon be "propaganda"
I was interpreting that as diagetic propaganda, like it was what the republic was telling people in the star wars universe, not propaganda to the real people watching the cartoons
But that doesn't really hold up because it wasn't presented at all like it was meant to be propaganda, and both sides were presented as competent warriors that won some fights and lost some fights.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Does Christopher Lee not count as a very old man in Lucas' eyes? Or Yoda?
EDIT: Hell, or Sidious for that matter.
Right, it's Lucas talking out his arse for the sake of making it sound like he's always had this planned and is so smart.
I mean, nobody would have faulted him if he just said "The technology is better now so we can have more elaborate fights going on" instead of the hand-wavey bullshit.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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technology has finally advanced to the point that it can capture ray park on camera
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Is Rebels good or have I fallen so far that merely "okay" Star Wars things for me are now good?
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
How the hell can a fictional cartoon be "propaganda"
I was interpreting that as diagetic propaganda, like it was what the republic was telling people in the star wars universe, not propaganda to the real people watching the cartoons
But that doesn't really hold up because it wasn't presented at all like it was meant to be propaganda, and both sides were presented as competent warriors that won some fights and lost some fights.
it being propaganda is a retcon
but
presenting your enemy as competent and even good at fighting makes your victories more impressive
Just announced
It follows Chewie stranded on an unfamiliar planet where he will be forced to decide whether helping the Rebel Alliance is more important than helping its native population, namely the little girl on that cover.
Also there is a news story going around about Colin Treverrow (Jurassic World) directing Episode 9 but it is from Heroic Hollywood and for those of you that don't frequent the superhero thread, it is run by a dude who has proven to be little more than a rumor monger with very little to back up his stories so it is almost certainly not true.
Also there is a news story going around about Colin Treverrow (Jurassic World) directing Episode 9 but it is from Heroic Hollywood and for those of you that don't frequent the superhero thread, it is fun by a dude who has proven to be little more than a rumor monger with very little to back up his stories so it is almost certainly not true.
Thank fuck
I do not want Trevorrow handling ep. 9.
Just get Rian Johnson to do it! Wasn't that the rumour?
Is Rebels good or have I fallen so far that merely "okay" Star Wars things for me are now good?
I would say it's okay with moments of good/great. The season 1 finale felt like such an improvement that it kind of made the rest of season 1 seem weaker by comparison.
Part of the problem is that I really don't care about any of the characters yet. I don't dislike them, but I feel like we don't really know anything about them except for a bit about Kanan and Ezra.
I think Kanan's definitely been the strongest part of the show - which is nice, cuz Ezra is certainly a character type we've seen plenty of times before.
Season 1 starts out much lighter and more about Ezra, it really turns into a better show as Kanan turns into the main character.
The only character I'm really disappointed with is Sabine, who's just been kind of floating around as a 5th wheel. She rather desperately needs a solo arc or something
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Also there is a news story going around about Colin Treverrow (Jurassic World) directing Episode 9 but it is from Heroic Hollywood and for those of you that don't frequent the superhero thread, it is fun by a dude who has proven to be little more than a rumor monger with very little to back up his stories so it is almost certainly not true.
Thank fuck
I do not want Trevorrow handling ep. 9.
Just get Rian Johnson to do it! Wasn't that the rumour?
I think Kanan's definitely been the strongest part of the show - which is nice, cuz Ezra is certainly a character type we've seen plenty of times before.
Season 1 starts out much lighter and more about Ezra, it really turns into a better show as Kanan turns into the main character.
The only character I'm really disappointed with is Sabine, who's just been kind of floating around as a 5th wheel. She rather desperately needs a solo arc or something
Also disappointing about Sabine is the one episode I remember her being a big part of, was her just complaining about how no one told her anything and they needed to tell her all the top secrets or she was leaving. Made her seem really whiny and annoying.
Also considering what Lucas gave us in the prequels, his opinion on Tartakovsky's stuff not being "canon" and "not following his vision" is just laughable.
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"real sets. practical effects."
FUCKING YES
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I think Kanan's definitely been the strongest part of the show - which is nice, cuz Ezra is certainly a character type we've seen plenty of times before.
Season 1 starts out much lighter and more about Ezra, it really turns into a better show as Kanan turns into the main character.
The only character I'm really disappointed with is Sabine, who's just been kind of floating around as a 5th wheel. She rather desperately needs a solo arc or something
Also disappointing about Sabine is the one episode I remember her being a big part of, was her just complaining about how no one told her anything and they needed to tell her all the top secrets or she was leaving. Made her seem really whiny and annoying.
Also considering what Lucas gave us in the prequels, his opinion on Tartakovsky's stuff not being "canon" and "not following his vision" is just laughable.
I'm hoping they go into Sabine's background some in the next season. I mean, we know she was in some imperial academy, and blindly followed orders that wound up with her doing something that she regrets, but other than that she's got the least amount of backstory of anyone on the crew except for Chopper.
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Also there is a news story going around about Colin Treverrow (Jurassic World) directing Episode 9 but it is from Heroic Hollywood and for those of you that don't frequent the superhero thread, it is fun by a dude who has proven to be little more than a rumor monger with very little to back up his stories so it is almost certainly not true.
Thank fuck
I do not want Trevorrow handling ep. 9.
Just get Rian Johnson to do it! Wasn't that the rumour?
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Nah, this isn't him just ranting.
Lucas actually stated he didn' want Grevious as that much of a threat and that the Clone Wars animated series went counter to his "vision" at the time for him.
That's why he's portrayed as a sad sack and hacking and has the silly spinny sabers and get's killed with a gun, instead of being a Cybernetic alien badass who collects lightsabers from Jedi.
in the cgi he kills multiple jedi, but he is not force attuned, so stronger jedi kick the shit out of him
I'm all for the wrists like that just so I don't have to worry about carpal tunnel
But enough about your personal life ...
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
LUCAS
If I think 'badass cyborg' in Star Wars, my mind goes to Darth Vader.
2:50, he refers to the fight between Obi-Wan and Vader as "a fight between a very old man and a man was only partially a man, a mechanical man, so it wasn't much of a fight"
13:20 he talks about the prequels he says portraying the Jedi "in full flower" and "with full training" the fights had to be more "aggressive" and "ferocious," which again implies all the fights in the OT films are not between people in their prime.
The takeaway from this, of course, is that George Lucas loves to destroy that which we love in order to try and portray his new ideas as better.
I have a hunger for star wars again.
EDIT: Hell, or Sidious for that matter.
See, I'm actually gonna kinda defend Lucas' reasoning here.
The idea of a cartoon series representing the stories people tell each other about major events in the war--and how those stories grow grander in the telling--is a really cool concept to me. It's also a pretty clever way to prevent power creep if you want to keep the power of Force users low.
My problem is not with the explanation, but rather with the execution of the trilogy afterwards. If you're gonna say, "No, Mace Windu isn't that crazy powerful, because those are just tall tales," then you gotta commit to keeping that same power creep out of the "real" universe. While Mace Windu's exploits in the animated series might be more ridiculous than anything he did in the Phantom Menace trilogy, the power level of the Jedi--on average--is a hell of a lot closer to the animated series than it is to the New Hope trilogy (where the most impressive feats Force users perform are slowly lifting an X-Wing out of a swamp and electrocuting a dude to death).
So, as cool as the explanation is, it does end up feeling kinda forced.
I've never really thought of Vader as a cyborg. Vader's Vader, a kickass threat in his own league.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
I mean, he is literally a cyborg.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Right, it's Lucas talking out his arse for the sake of making it sound like he's always had this planned and is so smart.
I was interpreting that as diagetic propaganda, like it was what the republic was telling people in the star wars universe, not propaganda to the real people watching the cartoons
But that doesn't really hold up because it wasn't presented at all like it was meant to be propaganda, and both sides were presented as competent warriors that won some fights and lost some fights.
I mean, nobody would have faulted him if he just said "The technology is better now so we can have more elaborate fights going on" instead of the hand-wavey bullshit.
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it being propaganda is a retcon
but
presenting your enemy as competent and even good at fighting makes your victories more impressive
It follows Chewie stranded on an unfamiliar planet where he will be forced to decide whether helping the Rebel Alliance is more important than helping its native population, namely the little girl on that cover.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
Thank fuck
I do not want Trevorrow handling ep. 9.
Just get Rian Johnson to do it! Wasn't that the rumour?
TROUBLE
I would say it's okay with moments of good/great. The season 1 finale felt like such an improvement that it kind of made the rest of season 1 seem weaker by comparison.
Part of the problem is that I really don't care about any of the characters yet. I don't dislike them, but I feel like we don't really know anything about them except for a bit about Kanan and Ezra.
Season 1 starts out much lighter and more about Ezra, it really turns into a better show as Kanan turns into the main character.
The only character I'm really disappointed with is Sabine, who's just been kind of floating around as a 5th wheel. She rather desperately needs a solo arc or something
CHOO CHOOOOOO
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Isn't he doing Episode 8?
Also disappointing about Sabine is the one episode I remember her being a big part of, was her just complaining about how no one told her anything and they needed to tell her all the top secrets or she was leaving. Made her seem really whiny and annoying.
Also considering what Lucas gave us in the prequels, his opinion on Tartakovsky's stuff not being "canon" and "not following his vision" is just laughable.
FUCKING YES
I'm hoping they go into Sabine's background some in the next season. I mean, we know she was in some imperial academy, and blindly followed orders that wound up with her doing something that she regrets, but other than that she's got the least amount of backstory of anyone on the crew except for Chopper.
He is but it wasn't clear if he'd do 9 as well