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    joshgotrojoshgotro Deviled Egg The Land of REAL CHILIRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Morkath wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I suspect they were trying to communicate:
    "Look, even with the combined force of these two people focusing their powers with full attention, they still can't even scratch the dude!"

    Which doesn't make the scene particularly interesting or justify not doing something more dynamic, but I think that was what they were shooting for.

    In regards to the guy;
    Isn't his power energy absorption? It seems like it should be pretty easy to show their abilities not doing anything to him.

    Oh, maybe. I had no idea who that was.

    He does absorb energy. They didn't show that at all. Just bad.

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I suspect they were trying to communicate:
    "Look, even with the combined force of these two people focusing their powers with full attention, they still can't even scratch the dude!"

    Which doesn't make the scene particularly interesting or justify not doing something more dynamic, but I think that was what they were shooting for.

    It also allowed for:
    Daisy to show that she thinks on her feet. Yes, her first response to encountering a crazy killer at point blank range was to unload into him. But she very quickly realized that it wasn't working and destroyed the floor under him.

    That scene:
    A, Reinforced the nature of what Skye and Lincoln can do. This is pretty important for new and casual viewers.
    B. Established that they can fully unload point blank into the new villain to no practical effect. This is pretty important for everyone to understand about the new villain.
    C. That Daisy is smart about using her powers tactically. She realized that what she was doing wasn't working and immediately adjusted her tactics.

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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    If only there was some way they could combine the use of their powers with martial arts strikes, using their punches and kicks to bend the power to their will.

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    RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    The power to melt metal is pretty lame.

    Got no pizzazz.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I suspect they were trying to communicate:
    "Look, even with the combined force of these two people focusing their powers with full attention, they still can't even scratch the dude!"

    Which doesn't make the scene particularly interesting or justify not doing something more dynamic, but I think that was what they were shooting for.
    It also just so happens that "shooting [energy] from their hand" is basically the power of both people.

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    The power to melt metal is pretty lame.

    Got no pizzazz.

    I bet if you could melt metal, you could make a really interesting pizza, though.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Not actually a mod. Roaming the streets, waving his gun around.Moderator, ClubPA mod
    If only there was some way they could combine the use of their powers with martial arts strikes, using their punches and kicks to bend the power to their will.

    I see what you did there.

    And yes please.

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    SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    The power to melt metal is pretty lame.

    Got no pizzazz.

    I don't know. It might be one of those powers that doesn't translate well to TV or something.

    Melting metal could easily mess up any modern society and cause massive damage.

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    MorkathMorkath Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I bet they turn him into the inhuman version of magneto, decides to fight for inhuman rights through excessive force, can't really be stopped by normal authorities since he can melt their weapons.

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular

    I don't think that he's melting the metal so much as temporarily altering the properties of the metal.

    If so, I wonder if he can affect metal in other ways - make it harder, change how conductive it is, or as others have suggested go full Magneto.

    Whatever the case, his superhuman name should be Magnet Joe.

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    RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    Or perhaps Metalocalypse.

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular


    RT800 wrote: »
    Or perhaps
    Metalocalypse.

    No, definitely Magnet Joe.

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    skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Shadowhope wrote: »

    RT800 wrote: »
    Or perhaps
    Metalocalypse.

    No, definitely Magnet Joe.

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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »

    Remember when Ward was boring?

    It seems so long ago now.

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    Mego ThorMego Thor "I say thee...NAY!" Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    The power to melt metal is pretty lame.

    Got no pizzazz.

    Well of course not. They have metal in them.

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    skeldare wrote: »

    Remember when Ward was boring?

    It seems so long ago now.

    Fortunately, thanks to the Internet, we can relive those early days vicariously.
    The lead young dude is really, really boring. Clark Gregg is good, but I do not think this came together. I'll back to it if people tell me it gets better, but I was not encouraged.

    Also, the actress playing Skye looks like if Aubrey Plaza went for sexy and it was distracting me.
    -White bread was probably betrayed by a previous team, hence the "poop with knives" on his stat sheet.
    -Hacker girl was involved in crimes. I do wonder if she actually did them or if it was a frame. Maybe like a stalker or something? You don't erase yourself from the system for no reason at all.
    -The "driver" of their "bus" probably either killed way too many people to where she refuses action or maybe she failed on a mission somehow.
    -Coulson is a robot clone from an alternate future where... etc
    -The British twins were transplanted from the Normandy.
    Thus far I like Coulson and Skye, the tech twins are kinda fun, and I'm intrigued by Gunn. (I also spent the first half of the show thinking Skye was played by Jewel Staite.) The production values are top notch and most of the dialogue landed. The few flaws with the show are things that will almost certainly be fixed as the show finds its footing over the next few episodes.
    Calling it now

    Ward dies in the penultimate or last episode to set things up for the reveal of what SHIELD did to Coulson
    I basically don't buy Skye as portrayed in the pilot

    She lives like a paranoid weirdo on the run from the government (literally living out of a van), but somehow has the fashion, hair, and make-up of a model, and has the behavior of the kind of person who posts on TV Tropes except when the script calls on her to be cool and confident

    She's a bullshit character. Ward seems like a poor man's Ethan Hunt which is okay until they decided to shit all over his character in interacting with Skye. Fitz and Simmons are quirky saturday morning cartoon characters who feel like they stepped off the set of Bones and May... actually May was alright. I didn't have any complaints about Ming Na and she was the only one who seemed like an actual Agent of SHIELD.

    The rest of the cast feel like Interns of SHIELD
    HunkyMcAgent guy actually was the bright spot of the cast. He's got decent range, good facial expressions when he's not doing the forced badass look, and was spot on for all of his comedic lines. Dude's gonna be great.

    Fitzsimmons were pretty much backround noise, but I account it to the HILARIOUS amount of rehersal they probably had to do to even get that banter out of thier mouths. But they were not offensive.

    Ming Na is MOTHERFUCKING MING NA.

    Coulson and Hill were great, of course.

    Which brings us all to Skye. I mean, initially, it seems like she was designed by a focus group to appeal to every woman in the universe, with some Whedon on top, which is just....odd.
    I just hope Chloe Bennet does not follow the PA forums.....

    people obsessed with Whedon shows, on either side of the spectrum, try to latch onto one good thing/worst thing ever.

    you done good Chloe. you done good.
    But: I'm really liking the show so far. I like the humour. I like the characters, except for the generic young agent dude. I think Skye has a lot of wonderful angst and character building potential. I think that the special effects are good for TV. I love Coulson. I'm not a fan of the show failing to understand how air pressure works on airplanes, but it followed the standard way Hollywood deals with it, so I'm grudgingly giving it a pass even as I feel brain cells dying. And really, the air pressure thing is my biggest complaint so far.

    I think that it's quite good so far, worth watching, and if it can get over the new show hump I think it'll be excellent.

    Good times, good times.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote: »
    skeldare wrote: »

    Remember when Ward was boring?

    It seems so long ago now.

    To be fair, I really thought it was a car commercial at first.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »

    I don't think that he's melting the metal so much as temporarily altering the properties of the metal.

    If so, I wonder if he can affect metal in other ways - make it harder, change how conductive it is, or as others have suggested go full Magneto.

    Whatever the case, his superhuman name should be Magnet Joe.

    Haven't seen the episode yet, but if it's the guy from the intro...
    He's got extreme heat, not melting metal specifically, right?

    There's a charred body in his apartment, which looks all burned up. People ain't made of metal!

    Oh brilliant
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    SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »

    I don't think that he's melting the metal so much as temporarily altering the properties of the metal.

    If so, I wonder if he can affect metal in other ways - make it harder, change how conductive it is, or as others have suggested go full Magneto.

    Whatever the case, his superhuman name should be Magnet Joe.

    Haven't seen the episode yet, but if it's the guy from the intro...
    He's got extreme heat, not melting metal specifically, right?

    There's a charred body in his apartment, which looks all burned up. People ain't made of metal!
    That person was there when he transformed. They turned to stone like Trip and Coulson's Arm.

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    TrustTrust Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »

    I don't think that he's melting the metal so much as temporarily altering the properties of the metal.

    If so, I wonder if he can affect metal in other ways - make it harder, change how conductive it is, or as others have suggested go full Magneto.

    Whatever the case, his superhuman name should be Magnet Joe.

    Haven't seen the episode yet, but if it's the guy from the intro...
    He's got extreme heat, not melting metal specifically, right?

    There's a charred body in his apartment, which looks all burned up. People ain't made of metal!
    That person was there when he transformed. They turned to stone like Trip and Coulson's Arm.

    Nope, that was...
    The Crysalis from HIS transformation.

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »

    I don't think that he's melting the metal so much as temporarily altering the properties of the metal.

    If so, I wonder if he can affect metal in other ways - make it harder, change how conductive it is, or as others have suggested go full Magneto.

    Whatever the case, his superhuman name should be Magnet Joe.

    Haven't seen the episode yet, but if it's the guy from the intro...
    He's got extreme heat, not melting metal specifically, right?

    There's a charred body in his apartment, which looks all burned up. People ain't made of metal!
    That person was there when he transformed. They turned to stone like Trip and Coulson's Arm.

    Not quite:
    When an inhuman goes through terrigenesis they form a black crusty cocoon around themselves. What we saw there were the remnants of the cocoon.

    The only thing that turned people to stone was the metal, which the show pointed out isn't a danger to anybody at least in regards to the fish oil capsules.

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    DecomposeyDecomposey Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »

    I don't think that he's melting the metal so much as temporarily altering the properties of the metal.

    If so, I wonder if he can affect metal in other ways - make it harder, change how conductive it is, or as others have suggested go full Magneto.

    Whatever the case, his superhuman name should be Magnet Joe.

    Haven't seen the episode yet, but if it's the guy from the intro...
    He's got extreme heat, not melting metal specifically, right?

    There's a charred body in his apartment, which looks all burned up. People ain't made of metal!
    That person was there when he transformed. They turned to stone like Trip and Coulson's Arm.
    Also, I went back and watched the first bit, and everything that he melts is metal. If he had super heat then the wood, clothing and other objects he touched would have burst into flame, but it doesn't even smolder. Only metal melts.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    I didn't see any evidence of
    heat at all. Just melty metal. I imagine he destabilizes their composition or something, not actually melts them with heat.

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    FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    So, fun SHIELD-relatedish story.

    The college bookstore I work at is coming under new management (Luckly I'm still keeping my job) and I got to chatting with some of the people they brought in for the transition.

    Turns out, one of them was from Chapel Hill, NC, and went to high school with Clark Gregg. Said he was the class clown, able to get everyone, including the teachers laughing and get away with it. Him being in your class, apparently, was the best thing.

    And then he was talking about how, years later, he was googling What Lies Beneath and saw Gregg in the credits as screenwriter, and how he went "Surely, there has to be more than one Clark Gregg in the US..." Then he saw him in one of the TV bits he did before landing Agent Coulson and went "Nope, that's him, that's the guy who could get the teachers laughing and the class in tears."

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    So, fun SHIELD-relatedish story.

    The college bookstore I work at is coming under new management (Luckly I'm still keeping my job) and I got to chatting with some of the people they brought in for the transition.

    Turns out, one of them was from Chapel Hill, NC, and went to high school with Clark Gregg. Said he was the class clown, able to get everyone, including the teachers laughing and get away with it. Him being in your class, apparently, was the best thing.

    And then he was talking about how, years later, he was googling What Lies Beneath and saw Gregg in the credits as screenwriter, and how he went "Surely, there has to be more than one Clark Gregg in the US..." Then he saw him in one of the TV bits he did before landing Agent Coulson and went "Nope, that's him, that's the guy who could get the teachers laughing and the class in tears."

    I still occasionally have trouble reconciling his role on The Shield with his on Agents of SHIELD.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I didn't see any evidence of
    heat at all. Just melty metal. I imagine he destabilizes their composition or something, not actually melts them with heat.
    It seemed like once he touched metal, all metal within a certain range just sort of lost cohesion. He accidentally melted parts of the guns after touching the hood of the car.

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    cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I didn't see any evidence of
    heat at all. Just melty metal. I imagine he destabilizes their composition or something, not actually melts them with heat.
    He did make that car explode.

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I didn't see any evidence of
    heat at all. Just melty metal. I imagine he destabilizes their composition or something, not actually melts them with heat.
    He did make that car explode.
    Not really evidence of heat. If a car component under high pressure were to suddenly become liquid, it would probably explode.

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    FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I didn't see any evidence of
    heat at all. Just melty metal. I imagine he destabilizes their composition or something, not actually melts them with heat.
    He did make that car explode.
    Looked more like an electric explosion though, like the melting crossed some wires (or what was left of the wires) that shouldn't have been crossed.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Ahh, I was confused by the scorch marks on the oven
    Melting metal with no heat is way more interesting than straight up heat. ;P

    Oh brilliant
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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Skye's intro STILL doesn't work for me- they've totally jettisoned it at this point. Ward WAS boring too. So they've improved 2 characters. Hooray!

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    skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Skye's intro STILL doesn't work for me- they've totally jettisoned it at this point. Ward WAS boring too. So they've improved 2 characters. Hooray!

    They were both basically eye candy when the series started.

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    AspectVoidAspectVoid Registered User regular
    skeldare wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Skye's intro STILL doesn't work for me- they've totally jettisoned it at this point. Ward WAS boring too. So they've improved 2 characters. Hooray!

    They were both basically eye candy when the series started.

    To be fair, Ward was just pretending to be boring eye candy. :hydra:

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    SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    A few months ago my wife and I recommended Agents of SHIELD to another friend. She watched the first episode and said that it seemed OK, but the characters just seemed too "perfect." We agreed with her and told her that it gets better, and the characters' flaws definitely show up later. I don't think she's gone back to it yet, unfortunately.

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    TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Skye's intro STILL doesn't work for me- they've totally jettisoned it at this point. Ward WAS boring too. So they've improved all the characters. Hooray!

    Fixed.

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    gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    AspectVoid wrote: »
    skeldare wrote: »
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Skye's intro STILL doesn't work for me- they've totally jettisoned it at this point. Ward WAS boring too. So they've improved 2 characters. Hooray!

    They were both basically eye candy when the series started.

    To be fair, Ward was just pretending to be boring eye candy. :hydra:

    That's actually an interesting case.

    The actor didn't know until a few episodes ahead of time and the writers haven't said when they made the decision.

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited October 2015
    Probably a few days before that. Though he did get better before that bit, too.

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    ManetherenWolfManetherenWolf Registered User regular
    Yeah I think I read the first time he was aware of it was during the academy visit, right before they filmed the scene about the memorial wall.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Not actually a mod. Roaming the streets, waving his gun around.Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I can definitely see the show writers noticing that a character or actor just isn't clicking with audiences and trying to turn him into something more compatible with the actor's skill set.

    That said, very few actors can start a new series and be totally engaging off the bat. Takes time to build that chemistry and internalize the guy you're playing.

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