@spool32 like, I'd be okay with revoking citizenship as a punishment for whatever
if, y'know, you try that person first
cause you can't revoke someone's citizenship unless they're a citizen, and citizens are supposed to be guaranteed a trial!
I'd like to see that as well, but once they're back here, we wouldn't be able to get 'em out again. An interesting problem.
In my passport it says the following:
Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US Citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish US Citizenship, any of the following acts:
being naturalized in a foreign state;
taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state;
serving in the armed forces of a foreign state;
accepting employment with a foreign government; or
formally renouncing US Citizenship before a US Consular Officer overseas.
There are some wrinkles here, such as ISIS not being a foreign state (i.e. we don't recognize them) and the "with the intention to relinquish" language. It seems like holding citizenship somewhere else isn't a requirement though, so I feel like we could expand this to cover serving in armed paramilitary groups or professing membership in a terrorist group. This doesn't seem to require a trial, though I can't imagine the Executive arguing against some judicial review of citizenship revocation decisions.
Likewise I think we could expand the "material aid and support" criminal language to also revoke citizenship but that would obviously require a trial as it's a criminal charge.
I wonder if SummaryJudgment or DoctorArch or "So It Goes" has any knowledge of previous cases where we've revoked citizenship from a person who does not hold dual passports?
I mean I think they do this already don't they?
"We killed some enemy combatants"
"Uh one of those guys was a citizen"
"Er... no we revoked it!"
but yeah I don't really agree that the US should have the power to revoke your citizenship without trial, and you shouldn't be able to implicitly renounce it; you'd have to do a proper official renunciation with the US government
Honestly it's pretty scary power for the government to have!
Like, losing your citizenship is one of the top-level punishments! I'd put it right between Life in Prison and Death.
That not something that should be handed out without a trial!
Aioua on
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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@spool32 like, I'd be okay with revoking citizenship as a punishment for whatever
if, y'know, you try that person first
cause you can't revoke someone's citizenship unless they're a citizen, and citizens are supposed to be guaranteed a trial!
I'd like to see that as well, but once they're back here, we wouldn't be able to get 'em out again. An interesting problem.
In my passport it says the following:
Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US Citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish US Citizenship, any of the following acts:
being naturalized in a foreign state;
taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state;
serving in the armed forces of a foreign state;
accepting employment with a foreign government; or
formally renouncing US Citizenship before a US Consular Officer overseas.
There are some wrinkles here, such as ISIS not being a foreign state (i.e. we don't recognize them) and the "with the intention to relinquish" language. It seems like holding citizenship somewhere else isn't a requirement though, so I feel like we could expand this to cover serving in armed paramilitary groups or professing membership in a terrorist group. This doesn't seem to require a trial, though I can't imagine the Executive arguing against some judicial review of citizenship revocation decisions.
Likewise I think we could expand the "material aid and support" criminal language to also revoke citizenship but that would obviously require a trial as it's a criminal charge.
I wonder if SummaryJudgment or DoctorArch or "So It Goes" has any knowledge of previous cases where we've revoked citizenship from a person who does not hold dual passports?
I mean I think they do this already don't they?
"We killed some enemy combatants"
"Uh one of those guys was a citizen"
"Er... no we revoked it!"
but yeah I don't really agree that the US should have the power to revoke your citizenship without trial, and you shouldn't be able to implicitly renounce it; you'd have to do a proper official renunciation with the US government
Honestly it's pretty scary power for the government to have!
Like, losing your citizenship is one of the top-level punishments! I'd put it right between Life in Prison and Death.
That not something that should be handed out without a trial!
It's right there on the passport though. No trial, no nothing. You serve in a foreign army with the intent to relinquish, and it can be removed.
it is very annoying watching someone get drunk and die on their arse for 20 mins and get paid, while I killed it for 10 mins for nothing
stupid hierarchy
how did the US trip go?
really cool. Got to perform at a big punk festival with some amazing professionals, hit up some shitty open mics and even snagged myself a spot at the Improv
already planning on being Stateside again next year
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
@spool32 like, I'd be okay with revoking citizenship as a punishment for whatever
if, y'know, you try that person first
cause you can't revoke someone's citizenship unless they're a citizen, and citizens are supposed to be guaranteed a trial!
I'd like to see that as well, but once they're back here, we wouldn't be able to get 'em out again. An interesting problem.
In my passport it says the following:
Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US Citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish US Citizenship, any of the following acts:
being naturalized in a foreign state;
taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state;
serving in the armed forces of a foreign state;
accepting employment with a foreign government; or
formally renouncing US Citizenship before a US Consular Officer overseas.
There are some wrinkles here, such as ISIS not being a foreign state (i.e. we don't recognize them) and the "with the intention to relinquish" language. It seems like holding citizenship somewhere else isn't a requirement though, so I feel like we could expand this to cover serving in armed paramilitary groups or professing membership in a terrorist group. This doesn't seem to require a trial, though I can't imagine the Executive arguing against some judicial review of citizenship revocation decisions.
Likewise I think we could expand the "material aid and support" criminal language to also revoke citizenship but that would obviously require a trial as it's a criminal charge.
I wonder if SummaryJudgment or DoctorArch or "So It Goes" has any knowledge of previous cases where we've revoked citizenship from a person who does not hold dual passports?
I mean I think they do this already don't they?
"We killed some enemy combatants"
"Uh one of those guys was a citizen"
"Er... no we revoked it!"
but yeah I don't really agree that the US should have the power to revoke your citizenship without trial, and you shouldn't be able to implicitly renounce it; you'd have to do a proper official renunciation with the US government
Honestly it's pretty scary power for the government to have!
Like, losing your citizenship is one of the top-level punishments! I'd put it right between Life in Prison and Death.
That not something that should be handed out without a trial!
It's right there on the passport though. No trial, no nothing. You serve in a foreign army with the intent to relinquish, and it can be removed.
@spool32 like, I'd be okay with revoking citizenship as a punishment for whatever
if, y'know, you try that person first
cause you can't revoke someone's citizenship unless they're a citizen, and citizens are supposed to be guaranteed a trial!
I'd like to see that as well, but once they're back here, we wouldn't be able to get 'em out again. An interesting problem.
In my passport it says the following:
Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US Citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish US Citizenship, any of the following acts:
being naturalized in a foreign state;
taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state;
serving in the armed forces of a foreign state;
accepting employment with a foreign government; or
formally renouncing US Citizenship before a US Consular Officer overseas.
There are some wrinkles here, such as ISIS not being a foreign state (i.e. we don't recognize them) and the "with the intention to relinquish" language. It seems like holding citizenship somewhere else isn't a requirement though, so I feel like we could expand this to cover serving in armed paramilitary groups or professing membership in a terrorist group. This doesn't seem to require a trial, though I can't imagine the Executive arguing against some judicial review of citizenship revocation decisions.
Likewise I think we could expand the "material aid and support" criminal language to also revoke citizenship but that would obviously require a trial as it's a criminal charge.
I wonder if SummaryJudgment or DoctorArch or "So It Goes" has any knowledge of previous cases where we've revoked citizenship from a person who does not hold dual passports?
I mean I think they do this already don't they?
"We killed some enemy combatants"
"Uh one of those guys was a citizen"
"Er... no we revoked it!"
but yeah I don't really agree that the US should have the power to revoke your citizenship without trial, and you shouldn't be able to implicitly renounce it; you'd have to do a proper official renunciation with the US government
Honestly it's pretty scary power for the government to have!
Like, losing your citizenship is one of the top-level punishments! I'd put it right between Life in Prison and Death.
That not something that should be handed out without a trial!
It's right there on the passport though. No trial, no nothing. You serve in a foreign army with the intent to relinquish, and it can be removed.
Problem is with the terrorism thing there's a sliding scale of what an army is and what being part of it is.
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tav i am perhaps planning a trip to ireland next march with some friends
we may be trying to go to the grimes show
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
it is very annoying watching someone get drunk and die on their arse for 20 mins and get paid, while I killed it for 10 mins for nothing
stupid hierarchy
how did the US trip go?
really cool. Got to perform at a big punk festival with some amazing professionals, hit up some shitty open mics and even snagged myself a spot at the Improv
already planning on being Stateside again next year
tav i am perhaps planning a trip to ireland next march with some friends
we may be trying to go to the grimes show
i already have tix
make sure to get standing tix cus the venue has the worst seating ever
honestly you'd be better off not going than sitting at that venue
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
Ignoring international law when it suits us is preposterous. We wrote much of it!. Certainly we would need a pressing reason to abandon a commitment like that.
Would you have the same attitude toward violating a bilateral treaty we signed?
it is very annoying watching someone get drunk and die on their arse for 20 mins and get paid, while I killed it for 10 mins for nothing
stupid hierarchy
how did the US trip go?
really cool. Got to perform at a big punk festival with some amazing professionals, hit up some shitty open mics and even snagged myself a spot at the Improv
already planning on being Stateside again next year
come to ny!
I don't have any comedic hookups in NY
whereas I can do an actual festival and get paid and get to hang with cool professionals if I go to Colorado or Atlanta
@spool32 like, I'd be okay with revoking citizenship as a punishment for whatever
if, y'know, you try that person first
cause you can't revoke someone's citizenship unless they're a citizen, and citizens are supposed to be guaranteed a trial!
I'd like to see that as well, but once they're back here, we wouldn't be able to get 'em out again. An interesting problem.
In my passport it says the following:
Under certain circumstances, you may lose your US Citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish US Citizenship, any of the following acts:
being naturalized in a foreign state;
taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state;
serving in the armed forces of a foreign state;
accepting employment with a foreign government; or
formally renouncing US Citizenship before a US Consular Officer overseas.
There are some wrinkles here, such as ISIS not being a foreign state (i.e. we don't recognize them) and the "with the intention to relinquish" language. It seems like holding citizenship somewhere else isn't a requirement though, so I feel like we could expand this to cover serving in armed paramilitary groups or professing membership in a terrorist group. This doesn't seem to require a trial, though I can't imagine the Executive arguing against some judicial review of citizenship revocation decisions.
Likewise I think we could expand the "material aid and support" criminal language to also revoke citizenship but that would obviously require a trial as it's a criminal charge.
I wonder if SummaryJudgment or DoctorArch or "So It Goes" has any knowledge of previous cases where we've revoked citizenship from a person who does not hold dual passports?
I mean I think they do this already don't they?
"We killed some enemy combatants"
"Uh one of those guys was a citizen"
"Er... no we revoked it!"
but yeah I don't really agree that the US should have the power to revoke your citizenship without trial, and you shouldn't be able to implicitly renounce it; you'd have to do a proper official renunciation with the US government
Honestly it's pretty scary power for the government to have!
Like, losing your citizenship is one of the top-level punishments! I'd put it right between Life in Prison and Death.
That not something that should be handed out without a trial!
It's right there on the passport though. No trial, no nothing. You serve in a foreign army with the intent to relinquish, and it can be removed.
Hey, I'm not denying that the US does it.
Or claims to have the authority to do so.
But IMO it's a 6th amendment violation.
It's also fucked because, say they pull your citizenship improperly. They get you confused with someone else, or have bad information about you.
Good luck getting your citizenship back now that you have no right to sue!
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
This seems like such a departure from your usual heavy respect for process and rules!
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This seems like such a departure from your usual heavy respect for process and rules!
Not to mention some distrust of the government?
The ability to revoke citizenship is second only to the ability to ignore whatever laws ever whenever in terms of increasing the destructive power of a malicious government
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I mean I think they do this already don't they?
"We killed some enemy combatants"
"Uh one of those guys was a citizen"
"Er... no we revoked it!"
but yeah I don't really agree that the US should have the power to revoke your citizenship without trial, and you shouldn't be able to implicitly renounce it; you'd have to do a proper official renunciation with the US government
Honestly it's pretty scary power for the government to have!
Like, losing your citizenship is one of the top-level punishments! I'd put it right between Life in Prison and Death.
That not something that should be handed out without a trial!
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Exactly?
To be clear, sometimes I'm like "there is no objective meaning, so things are meaningless and don't really matter"
Other times I'm like "there is no objective meaning, so ultimately everything that happens is meaningful by virtue of it happening"
I do not understand what someone would do with that many retrievers.
Makes my jerb fanarting much easier.
Jerbfart.
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Guessing they're a breeder, maybe?
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retrieve things
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
what if, instead, there is objective meaning and everything is objectively meaningful?
:bzz:
how did the US trip go?
golden things, maybe?
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Let them out it looks like.
Seems unlikely
You are smart and well practiced, if anyone could convince me that something exists beyond that which physically exists, it is you
But that might be a tall order :P
(Or involve questionable definitions.)
(Really, if it didn't, would it even really be philosophy? >.>)
abolish the comedy wage system
It's right there on the passport though. No trial, no nothing. You serve in a foreign army with the intent to relinquish, and it can be removed.
I'm like, I think there's even more behind those ones. 1 maybe 2 more.
6-8 adorable doggies is excessive.
really cool. Got to perform at a big punk festival with some amazing professionals, hit up some shitty open mics and even snagged myself a spot at the Improv
already planning on being Stateside again next year
Why would they have that intent?
Problem is with the terrorism thing there's a sliding scale of what an army is and what being part of it is.
we may be trying to go to the grimes show
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I'm not entirely bothered by that. The UDHR doesn't even include a right to self defense iirc.
Actually I'm not entirely positive on that and I'd appreciate a fact check.
But we should consider it as a deterrent to citizens leaving the country, training in terrorist acts, then returning to kill their fellows.
come to ny!
nah, i'm starting to break into paid gigs (i had my first one yesterday)
i just wish it was done more off merit than longevity
because i fucking rocked it tonight
i already have tix
make sure to get standing tix cus the venue has the worst seating ever
honestly you'd be better off not going than sitting at that venue
Would you have the same attitude toward violating a bilateral treaty we signed?
I don't have any comedic hookups in NY
whereas I can do an actual festival and get paid and get to hang with cool professionals if I go to Colorado or Atlanta
Hey, I'm not denying that the US does it.
Or claims to have the authority to do so.
But IMO it's a 6th amendment violation.
It's also fucked because, say they pull your citizenship improperly. They get you confused with someone else, or have bad information about you.
Good luck getting your citizenship back now that you have no right to sue!
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
This isn't Stronger Than You? Bah I say!
But I am reticent to share that one with new folks. Kinda spoilery.
i will fight you.
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Not to mention some distrust of the government?
The ability to revoke citizenship is second only to the ability to ignore whatever laws ever whenever in terms of increasing the destructive power of a malicious government
I doubt it
does he whine like this the entire show
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
can't deal with the sandals
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here