Vince cares mainly about crowd reaction leading to t-shirt sales
it's not that complicated
If this was true we would have a very different line up of people fighting for the belt
Like Roman has a sizable amount of fans
But Ambrose is way more popular at almost every show and Cesaro got some pretty consistently huge reactions for a while before being shoved into the midcard and dragged out again for the tournaments
Crowd reaction don't mean shit until it's the very last moment judging from the past two Wrestlemanias
Vince cares mainly about crowd reaction leading to t-shirt sales
it's not that complicated
If this was true we would have a very different line up of people fighting for the belt
Like Roman has a sizable amount of fans
But Ambrose is way more popular at almost every show and Cesaro got some pretty consistently huge reactions for a while before being shoved into the midcard and dragged out again for the tournaments
Crowd reaction don't mean shit until it's the very last moment judging from the past two Wrestlemanias
and going back into the annals of history, you can look at how he kept pushing hogan in the early 90s even though the crowds were very clearly sick of hogan
As as side note here, my grandmother thinks all of the New Day Members are fine individually (she liked Big E as IC champ and really loved Xavier during the ESPN special, talking about going to school and all that) but she's always hated the New Day. She always tries to get up to make a snack or something when they're on.
I, of course, pause it and make sure she has to watch everything once she gets back.
Every time E starts dancing she groans and pleads with him to please stop doing that. Literally every time. It is hilarious.
I feel way more comfortable calling the WWE and Vince and whoever for racist/sexist things they've actually done than for things they might do in the future
Then you and I see those terms in a very different way.
For example, a racially insensitive person thinks saying the N-word on TV is ok not because "fuck black people", but because they imagine it to be edgy.
I think there is a world of difference between ignorance and hatred. One needs education. The other doesn't give a shit about your education or your opinions.
These two people can still end up saying and doing some of the same things, but I think the mindsets are distinct.
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Then you and I see those terms in a very different way.
For example, a racially insensitive person thinks saying the N-word on TV is ok not because "fuck black people", but because they imagine it to be edgy.
I think there is a world of difference between ignorance and hatred. One needs education. The other doesn't give a shit about your education or your opinions.
These two people can still end up saying and doing some of the same things, but I think the mindsets are distinct.
So here's the thing
"Fuck black people" is not the sum total of all the possible ways to be racist
Turns out you can believe black people are totally fine and equal to white people and still do racist things!
Turns out you can believe black people are totally fine and equal to white people and still do racist things!
"These two people can still end up saying and doing some of the same things, but I think the mindsets are distinct."
I pretty blatantly said that there isn't a difference in the end result. Ignorant racism and intentional racism are both still racism and are both still wrong in the end. I'm only talking about mindset, which again, I blatantly stated.
I don't need you to re-state my points and throw a dash of unnecessary sarcasm on top when I simply read a couple of phrases differently than you. But thanks for doing that, anyway. It was totally awesome.
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WWE is at a real crossroads. Allow me to paraphrase Albert Einstein, who said "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results". Wrestling historians can argue about when the #AttitudeEra in wrestling officially began. But for me, it will always be at a meeting called by Mr McMahon in the Spring of 1997, where he admitted that what had worked for them for so long in the past (I interpreted that to mean one-dimensional characters that tended to be job-related) was no longer working, and that if they were going to survive, the wrestlers themselves were going to have to step up, and help create those dimensions that would establish the emotional bond between the wrestlers and the fans - part of the lifeblood of professional wrestling.
Today's WWE Superstars (I'm including the women here, since the term "Diva" had its time, and that time is done) are at a distinct disadvantage in some ways. They can't flip birds, and use the colorful language. They can't bleed - even when the situation seems ripe for it. Man, Roman Reigns's life would be so much easier if he could survive vicious assaults the way guys in my era did. But all the blood, the language and the violence paled in comparison to the real secret weapon of the Attitude Era; the FREEDOM TO CREATE...THE FREEDOM TO TRY...THE FREEDOM TO FAIL - the idea that going down swinging (I hope I'm not losing you guys in all the non-baseball playing countries) was almost as important as hitting the ball out of the park - as long as you took your best swings. There's a difference between playing to win, and playing not to lose: one breeds confidence, the other breeds fear.It's the difference between cutting the type of promos Stone Cold Steve Austin and Dwayne The Rock Johnson gave, and the cookie-cutter approach all too often employed these days by WWE creative. One style allowed for creativity and emotion. The other calls for memorization and recitation.
I hope I don't sound like I'm picking on WWE. There is a big part of me that loves this company, and always will. Why else would I be up at 4:15 am, writing things that are likely to banish me deeper and deeper into the WWE doghouse? One of my favorite wrestlers proposed a storyline that would allow me a four of five week storyline that would allow me to dig in deep, and swing for the fences - and in the process, maybe advance a few of the super-talented but underutilized athletes on the roster. I would love to do it....but I doubt it's going to happen. After all, I might want to do something crazy like go out there without a script, and try to create some real emotion - in other words, the type of thing that saved WWE in the late 90's.
The talent pool has never been deeper. But the creative flow is stagnant...and it's been stinking for a while. I quoted Einstein to begin this thing. Let me conclude with the immortal words of Owen Heart: "Enough's enough: it's time for a change!"
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This is the day after the ECW PPV December to dismember
The next day, December 4, Heyman and McMahon among those flying to Charleston, South Carolina, Heyman pitched opening the December 5 ECW show with Ariel and Kelly in a match, telling viewers interviews with Lashley, Van Dam, and Punk were going on right then and would be seen later in the show. McMahon didn’t like the idea, fearing fans in the arena would chant for Punk. Heyman asked why that was a bad thing, as it showed the fans cared about someone on the flagging ECW show. McMahon reportedly threw his glasses on the floor and shouted, “Get this through your thick fucking head—my focus is on Bobby Lashley and only Bobby Lashley! That man is the brand's icon, the brand's superhero. He is ECW and he will be, at the expense of Rob Van Dam, CM Punk, Test, and everyone else, and you can hit the door if don't like it!”
TL;DR: McMahon wanted Lashley as the ECW Main star regardless of all the negative feedback he was getting from the crowd and people backstage.“
Source: Hardcore History: The Extremely Unauthorized Story of ECW
If that's true, and watching how WWECW was booked I have little doubt it is, then I really don't think Apollo's race will block him from a push. His height, however...
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This is the day after the ECW PPV December to dismember
The next day, December 4, Heyman and McMahon among those flying to Charleston, South Carolina, Heyman pitched opening the December 5 ECW show with Ariel and Kelly in a match, telling viewers interviews with Lashley, Van Dam, and Punk were going on right then and would be seen later in the show. McMahon didn’t like the idea, fearing fans in the arena would chant for Punk. Heyman asked why that was a bad thing, as it showed the fans cared about someone on the flagging ECW show. McMahon reportedly threw his glasses on the floor and shouted, “Get this through your thick fucking head—my focus is on Bobby Lashley and only Bobby Lashley! That man is the brand's icon, the brand's superhero. He is ECW and he will be, at the expense of Rob Van Dam, CM Punk, Test, and everyone else, and you can hit the door if don't like it!”
TL;DR: McMahon wanted Lashley as the ECW Main star regardless of all the negative feedback he was getting from the crowd and people backstage.“
Source: Hardcore History: The Extremely Unauthorized Story of ECW
If that's true, and watching how WWECW was booked I have little doubt it is, then I really don't think Apollo's race will block him from a push. His height, however...
It would also explain why Heyman quit right after December 2 Dismember.
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I'm posting this here, because I don't really have a lot of places to tell this story where people would understand what I'm talking about.
I've been playing a lot of WWE 2K16. My Universe has two shows with around 26 wrestlers each. Out of that 52, 40 of them are characters I created. They aren't based on anyone, just people I've been making for years. Four of them were first made back in WWF Warzone. Over the years the number of people I make every game grew and grew. I have horrible amounts of backstory in my head for most of them.
I have a 3 year old at home. He was acting like a wrestler last night, saying he was the champ and stuff. I figured he was pretending to be Finn Balor. He loves Balor, mainly because my son is also obsessed with Venom. He's do the ground crawl and pose as he pops up, the whole 9 yards. When I ask if he's being Finn he quickly tells me, "No, the Ninja!". It took me a moment to register what he said. That's the announce name of Ninja-X, one of the created wrestlers that he's seen me play. Later he's asking me about Señor Bones, a different CAW that he really likes because he has a skeleton mask and a lot of the silly move animations. So he's all into my fake wrestlers and pretends to be them.
I'll get some screen shots tonight. Señor Bones wears a black suit and tie with a skull mask. His impressive arsenal of moves includes the Ravishing Neckbreaker and the Booty Popping Moonsault.
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that doesn't mean he isn't racist
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The super hero thing was never in question, the Mighty Mouse part was made up and fed to Reddit.
A) it isn't true and
I'm of the opinion that you can't do stuff like the HHH/Booker angle and get the benefit of the doubt
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it's not that complicated
Like Roman has a sizable amount of fans
But Ambrose is way more popular at almost every show and Cesaro got some pretty consistently huge reactions for a while before being shoved into the midcard and dragged out again for the tournaments
Crowd reaction don't mean shit until it's the very last moment judging from the past two Wrestlemanias
Hoo boy
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He might let her kick out of the Pedigree, but only because he's scared of what will happen if he didn't.
and going back into the annals of history, you can look at how he kept pushing hogan in the early 90s even though the crowds were very clearly sick of hogan
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this is like watching an alternate reality
Conversely, he can also simply be incredibly racially insensitive and/or ignorant and not be a racist.
However, as we usually come back around to in this thread, none of us actually know him. So, either way, we can't really pinpoint which he is.
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As as side note here, my grandmother thinks all of the New Day Members are fine individually (she liked Big E as IC champ and really loved Xavier during the ESPN special, talking about going to school and all that) but she's always hated the New Day. She always tries to get up to make a snack or something when they're on.
I, of course, pause it and make sure she has to watch everything once she gets back.
Every time E starts dancing she groans and pleads with him to please stop doing that. Literally every time. It is hilarious.
She still loves Dean Ambrose, though.
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For example, a racially insensitive person thinks saying the N-word on TV is ok not because "fuck black people", but because they imagine it to be edgy.
I think there is a world of difference between ignorance and hatred. One needs education. The other doesn't give a shit about your education or your opinions.
These two people can still end up saying and doing some of the same things, but I think the mindsets are distinct.
So here's the thing
"Fuck black people" is not the sum total of all the possible ways to be racist
Turns out you can believe black people are totally fine and equal to white people and still do racist things!
"These two people can still end up saying and doing some of the same things, but I think the mindsets are distinct."
I pretty blatantly said that there isn't a difference in the end result. Ignorant racism and intentional racism are both still racism and are both still wrong in the end. I'm only talking about mindset, which again, I blatantly stated.
I don't need you to re-state my points and throw a dash of unnecessary sarcasm on top when I simply read a couple of phrases differently than you. But thanks for doing that, anyway. It was totally awesome.
I just hope WWE isn't planning on pushing out anything else with Reid this evening, considering Ric will be in attendance.
Let's not do that, ok?
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If that's true, and watching how WWECW was booked I have little doubt it is, then I really don't think Apollo's race will block him from a push. His height, however...
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It would also explain why Heyman quit right after December 2 Dismember.
I've been playing a lot of WWE 2K16. My Universe has two shows with around 26 wrestlers each. Out of that 52, 40 of them are characters I created. They aren't based on anyone, just people I've been making for years. Four of them were first made back in WWF Warzone. Over the years the number of people I make every game grew and grew. I have horrible amounts of backstory in my head for most of them.
I have a 3 year old at home. He was acting like a wrestler last night, saying he was the champ and stuff. I figured he was pretending to be Finn Balor. He loves Balor, mainly because my son is also obsessed with Venom. He's do the ground crawl and pose as he pops up, the whole 9 yards. When I ask if he's being Finn he quickly tells me, "No, the Ninja!". It took me a moment to register what he said. That's the announce name of Ninja-X, one of the created wrestlers that he's seen me play. Later he's asking me about Señor Bones, a different CAW that he really likes because he has a skeleton mask and a lot of the silly move animations. So he's all into my fake wrestlers and pretends to be them.
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