his bits of recounting the hot tips from his cousin who was heard from, etc, made me pine for the edgar wright version that earth-2 got
I don't think we would have gotten this scene in the Edgar Wright version of the film.
no? what makes you think so?
It was one of the only times in the movie where it felt like a person was behind it as opposed to the council of heroes-cum-producers that keep the mcu on track, where the visuals aimed to do something unconventional, even if it's as simple as doing drunk history-style lip syncing to very personable in-universe exposition. the camera movement even felt different--it's not a one-for-one match with wright's hyperkinetic editing and visual style, but the choice reminded me of what his movie might've been like
I mean, we certainly could have gotten that scene from a Wright directed Ant-Man.
But that particular idea was Paul Rudd's & Peyton Reed's.
But no one seems to want to acknowledge any good ideas to those guys...
i know this was before I posted my clarification above, and I'm not taking it personally or somethin but take it easy y'all. trudging out the sweeping "wright did all the funny stuff" twitter blather when I'm the only one talkin bout the film is a bit overkill, i'm not sayin that. I like peyton reed. i have lots of friends who are bring it ons
I don't think anyone is attributing that to you, you just happened to remind people that it's a thing.
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It's definitely not just a Twitter thing either, I don't think I've ever seen someone discuss Ant-Man without Edgar Wright getting brought up in some capacity, even here.
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Honestly, given how Marvel works, even if Edgar Wright hadn't left I don't think the movie would have been too different. Switch some gags around, maybe some more inventive editing and action. But he still would have had to sand off anything that was too Wright.
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his bits of recounting the hot tips from his cousin who was heard from, etc, made me pine for the edgar wright version that earth-2 got
I don't think we would have gotten this scene in the Edgar Wright version of the film.
no? what makes you think so?
It was one of the only times in the movie where it felt like a person was behind it as opposed to the council of heroes-cum-producers that keep the mcu on track, where the visuals aimed to do something unconventional, even if it's as simple as doing drunk history-style lip syncing to very personable in-universe exposition. the camera movement even felt different--it's not a one-for-one match with wright's hyperkinetic editing and visual style, but the choice reminded me of what his movie might've been like
I mean, we certainly could have gotten that scene from a Wright directed Ant-Man.
But that particular idea was Paul Rudd's & Peyton Reed's.
But no one seems to want to acknowledge any good ideas to those guys...
i know this was before I posted my clarification above, and I'm not taking it personally or somethin but take it easy y'all. trudging out the sweeping "wright did all the funny stuff" twitter blather when I'm the only one talkin bout the film is a bit overkill, i'm not sayin that. I like peyton reed. i have lots of friends who are bring it ons
I don't think anyone is attributing that to you, you just happened to remind people that it's a thing.
i got my back up a bit prematurely, i know. it's just, well, a response to the thread looking like its immediately circling the wagons around a marvel movie when i woulda enjoyed just talking about it
Honestly, given how Marvel works, even if Edgar Wright hadn't left I don't think the movie would have been too different. Switch some gags around, maybe some more inventive editing and action. But he still would have had to sand off anything that was too Wright.
well that's the rub, it's not an "if he hadn't left scenario" because the edgar wright-ass ant-man just wasn't possible, seeing as he left and it doesn't exist because it wasn't possible
it's more the thought of what coulda been, were the marvel form not so constrictive for certain directors.
anyhow, i'm sorry for invoking his name in conjunction with the movie for the 1000th time, but the movie is cursed with that for the short-term at least. I'm not even a mega edgar wright fan, really! it just stems from seeing something i found uniquely enjoyable, and being reminded of my overall dissatisfaction with marvel's rigid templating
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If only it were possible though. Man what I would give to see Edgar Wright's version of some crazy superhero action. And man his editing alone can knock a film up a few levels for me.
I think Edward Wright would have made a pretty great Deadpool movie.
Most likely very different from the one we got, but very much a Deadpool movie.
I personally dont think i would have liked whatever he wanted Antman to be.
Hell i dont even know what i would have liked to see in an Antman movie, but i definately like what i saw in this Antman movie.
I especially like that he is basically a Legacy character, in the vein of Starman. (reluctant man using a <insert science tool> to do good out of necessity, take mantel of retired hero)
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On reflection. I think Ant Man is as much as good as I'm going to find a Marvel movie. Like my general metric is on how much of a movie a remember the further I get from it. And I think Ant Man's action was pretty inventive and Michael Peña was probably the best supporting character in the entire MCU. And Paul Rudd is charisma personified.
The big cameo scene fell super flat for me though. Totally unnecessary to the plot and just served to remind us it's Marvel. That time really could have been better spent developing the villain. Because he also was a total waste.
The big cameo scene fell super flat for me though. Totally unnecessary to the plot and just served to remind us it's Marvel. That time really could have been better spent developing the villain. Because he also was a total waste.
Nah, it was there to show off Scott's skill in action against a foe who is more powerful than a random mook, without having to conjure up a lieutenant badguy for him to fight. It also set up the ending/lead in to future films.
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I think there are more elegant ways of accomplishing that. But I know I'm fairly alone in finding that scene out of place. But it totally killed any momentum for me.
The big cameo scene fell super flat for me though. Totally unnecessary to the plot and just served to remind us it's Marvel. That time really could have been better spent developing the villain. Because he also was a total waste.
Nah, it was there to show off Scott's skill in action against a foe who is more powerful than a random mook, without having to conjure up a lieutenant badguy for him to fight. It also set up the ending/lead in to future films.
Also the villian being wasted had nothing to do with screen time. There was something definatly there in terms of surrogate son and father figure at odds with each other but the focus on the villian really wasnt there.
I personally think that he isnt dead, he just is stuck in the microverse after transitioning to a smaller state in the most painful way possible
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my only gripe with the cameo is that it just takes place in a like a grassy field with nondescript building and it looked kinda visually meh after a lil bit
other things:
going into it knowing janet was donezo, i actually liked how her whole deal was handled
i coulda gone for a touch more Pym ant-man footage (with her also involved, if possible). my ideal movie would've woven in and shown more of hank's past, i think, try and present more of an arc there
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my only gripe with the cameo is that it just takes place in a like a grassy field with nondescript building and it looked kinda visually meh after a lil bit
other things:
going into it knowing janet was donezo, i actually liked how her whole deal was handled
i coulda gone for a touch more Pym ant-man footage (with her also involved, if possible). my ideal movie would've woven in and shown more of hank's past, i think, try and present more of an arc there
More of the Cold War Era stuff would have been super rad. And holy cow, that CGI Michael Douglas was insane.
And I dunno maybe they could have tied Pym and Lang together a bit better. How Pym reaches out to Lang was super lazy to me.
I feel kinda bad for the guys that took over for Wright, because quite often I see that anything good in the movie gets assigned to Wright regardless of who actually might've been responsible for it.
Rudd, McKay and Reed have said that there wasn't much left of Wright's film besides the basic skeleton of "Scott is an ex con recruited by Hank Pym, the former now retired Ant-Man, to prevent a disaster."
Reed, in particular, said Hope had a way smaller role in the film originally and didn't end up inheriting the Wasp mantle.
This doesn't surprise me, given that Wright isn't the best with female characters. I mean, he's not Gunn bad, but still not great.
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For the record, while I think Charlize would absolutely murder the role, I'm also hoping Captain Marvel is a significant part of the long-term plan for the MCU. For that reason, I'm kind of solidly behind Emily Blunt as Carol Danvers. At 33, she could easily express the hardened, sardonic edge of a ten-year combat vet right now, and be able to maintain the physicality of the role for an extended period of time.
Not like either pick is wrong, though - they both would absolutely be coups for the casting department.
On reflection. I think Ant Man is as much as good as I'm going to find a Marvel movie. Like my general metric is on how much of a movie a remember the further I get from it. And I think Ant Man's action was pretty inventive and Michael Peña was probably the best supporting character in the entire MCU. And Paul Rudd is charisma personified.
The big cameo scene fell super flat for me though. Totally unnecessary to the plot and just served to remind us it's Marvel. That time really could have been better spent developing the villain. Because he also was a total waste.
see, i thought rudd was bland as hell in ant-man, and didn't connect with any of the cast
and the action just didn't do nothing for me
honestly, if it wasn't for michael douglas, i wouldn't have any good things to say
but man do i love michael douglas
deffo wasn't a fan of the big cameo, either
it just feels weird to hear how much people love it because i'm all yeah it wasn't bad, but it coulda been so much better
I appreciate that shows like Flash and Supergirl still show their heroes doing shit like stopping a bank robbery
Or, pulling people out of burning cars
It doesn't have to be world-saving heroics all the time
I appreciate that shows like Flash and Supergirl still show their heroes doing shit like stopping a bank robbery
Or, pulling people out of burning cars
It doesn't have to be world-saving heroics all the time
I actually do kind of miss this stuff
More MCU movies need to open with like, Thor stopping the Wrecking Crew from robbing a back
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On reflection. I think Ant Man is as much as good as I'm going to find a Marvel movie. Like my general metric is on how much of a movie a remember the further I get from it. And I think Ant Man's action was pretty inventive and Michael Peña was probably the best supporting character in the entire MCU. And Paul Rudd is charisma personified.
The big cameo scene fell super flat for me though. Totally unnecessary to the plot and just served to remind us it's Marvel. That time really could have been better spent developing the villain. Because he also was a total waste.
see, i thought rudd was bland as hell in ant-man, and didn't connect with any of the cast
and the action just didn't do nothing for me
honestly, if it wasn't for michael douglas, i wouldn't have any good things to say
but man do i love michael douglas
deffo wasn't a fan of the big cameo, either
it just feels weird to hear how much people love it because i'm all yeah it wasn't bad, but it coulda been so much better
I will say outside of Rudd, Douglas, and Peña everyone else was a nonstarter.
And like I dunno. I thought they were playful enough with his powers to keep stuff fun and interesting for me to remember bits of it, which is a first for MCU action. I'm certainly not like a super fan of the movie, but I mildly enjoyed it.
No, Supergirl, the Demon Core was one very specific instance of a plutonium core
You don't just have like Another Demon Core lying around for this dude to stick in his robot suit
Turns out Tim Miller, the director of Deadpool, is also the CEO of Blur. The CGI studio who does most of the cool CG video game trailers you have ever seen.
He also made sure to clarify that the helicarrier at the end of Deadpool is definitely not a helicarrier you guys because that would break the contract Fox has with Marvel.
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I don't think anyone is attributing that to you, you just happened to remind people that it's a thing.
i got my back up a bit prematurely, i know. it's just, well, a response to the thread looking like its immediately circling the wagons around a marvel movie when i woulda enjoyed just talking about it
well that's the rub, it's not an "if he hadn't left scenario" because the edgar wright-ass ant-man just wasn't possible, seeing as he left and it doesn't exist because it wasn't possible
it's more the thought of what coulda been, were the marvel form not so constrictive for certain directors.
anyhow, i'm sorry for invoking his name in conjunction with the movie for the 1000th time, but the movie is cursed with that for the short-term at least. I'm not even a mega edgar wright fan, really! it just stems from seeing something i found uniquely enjoyable, and being reminded of my overall dissatisfaction with marvel's rigid templating
She's way too young for the part right now. Carol Danvers needs to be played by a woman at least over 30, preferably over 35.
Most likely very different from the one we got, but very much a Deadpool movie.
I personally dont think i would have liked whatever he wanted Antman to be.
Hell i dont even know what i would have liked to see in an Antman movie, but i definately like what i saw in this Antman movie.
I especially like that he is basically a Legacy character, in the vein of Starman. (reluctant man using a <insert science tool> to do good out of necessity, take mantel of retired hero)
The big cameo scene fell super flat for me though. Totally unnecessary to the plot and just served to remind us it's Marvel. That time really could have been better spent developing the villain. Because he also was a total waste.
Nah, it was there to show off Scott's skill in action against a foe who is more powerful than a random mook, without having to conjure up a lieutenant badguy for him to fight. It also set up the ending/lead in to future films.
Also the villian being wasted had nothing to do with screen time. There was something definatly there in terms of surrogate son and father figure at odds with each other but the focus on the villian really wasnt there.
I personally think that he isnt dead, he just is stuck in the microverse after transitioning to a smaller state in the most painful way possible
other things:
going into it knowing janet was donezo, i actually liked how her whole deal was handled
i coulda gone for a touch more Pym ant-man footage (with her also involved, if possible). my ideal movie would've woven in and shown more of hank's past, i think, try and present more of an arc there
More of the Cold War Era stuff would have been super rad. And holy cow, that CGI Michael Douglas was insane.
And I dunno maybe they could have tied Pym and Lang together a bit better. How Pym reaches out to Lang was super lazy to me.
This doesn't surprise me, given that Wright isn't the best with female characters. I mean, he's not Gunn bad, but still not great.
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I think you are gonna be disappointed here, Centi
I would be absolutely shocked if Marvel/Disney cast a woman a stone's throw from 40 as their first female solo lead
Like, ScarJo is 31 (was 25 when she first played Widow), Elizabeth Olsen is 27 (was 26) and Hayley Atwell is 33 (was 28).
It would be super rad to have an older, more mature leader type Carol Danvers but that ain't how Hollywood rolls
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I just don't wanna get my hopes up
Because this is obviously the perfect choice and anything else will seem lesser
Note also that her dress was fantastic
It looked... perfect.
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I choose to believe that my dreams will come true and Katheryn Winnick (currently 38 years old) will get the role
she's so perfect
I'm just saying
Hollywood sucks
Not like either pick is wrong, though - they both would absolutely be coups for the casting department.
see, i thought rudd was bland as hell in ant-man, and didn't connect with any of the cast
and the action just didn't do nothing for me
honestly, if it wasn't for michael douglas, i wouldn't have any good things to say
but man do i love michael douglas
deffo wasn't a fan of the big cameo, either
it just feels weird to hear how much people love it because i'm all yeah it wasn't bad, but it coulda been so much better
No, quit lying and also fuck off
Or, pulling people out of burning cars
It doesn't have to be world-saving heroics all the time
I actually do kind of miss this stuff
More MCU movies need to open with like, Thor stopping the Wrecking Crew from robbing a back
I will say outside of Rudd, Douglas, and Peña everyone else was a nonstarter.
And like I dunno. I thought they were playful enough with his powers to keep stuff fun and interesting for me to remember bits of it, which is a first for MCU action. I'm certainly not like a super fan of the movie, but I mildly enjoyed it.
You don't just have like Another Demon Core lying around for this dude to stick in his robot suit
Supergirl and the Legion of Superheroes, y'all
Turns out Tim Miller, the director of Deadpool, is also the CEO of Blur. The CGI studio who does most of the cool CG video game trailers you have ever seen.
He also made sure to clarify that the helicarrier at the end of Deadpool is definitely not a helicarrier you guys because that would break the contract Fox has with Marvel.